Dangerous Dog Next Door!

[Howitzer]

Autopilot said:

PS - Forgot to add the reason my dog was attacked. He's a large male Dobermann and idiots misconception of the breed (mainly caused by 1980's media!) cause people to be scared.

We were walking my dog when he was only a year old or so and a little bit lanky still. A lady came up and smiled as she mentioned how you hardly see these with a tail anymore and gave him a little fuss. When she said "it's a Doberman isn't it" I corrected her and said no a Rottweiler.

She instantly jerked her hand away, said "oh my" and hurried away nervously looking back

Dave!

[anonymous-user]

So following on from some of the sterling advice on here has the OP an update ?

Did he offer to rebuild the fence at his own cost ? Has he been nice and neighbourly to his not very neighbourly neighbour ? Maybe as well as building and paying for the fence he has given up an hour of his day to take the neighbours dog out for walks before and after work. Maybe he has started helping his neighbour financially etc

[Marky Mark88]

techiedave said:

So following on from some of the sterling advice on here has the OP an update ?

Did he offer to rebuild the fence at his own cost ? Has he been nice and neighbourly to his not very neighbourly neighbour ? Maybe as well as building and paying for the fence he has given up an hour of his day to take the neighbours dog out for walks before and after work. Maybe he has started helping his neighbour financially etc

Have been getting some quotes for a 7ft fence, price is coming in at about a £1000, which she will need to share because there's no way we're fronting the full amount! I don't think she will go for this, at which point we will have to make it very clear that should it happen again we will have to report it to the police. I don't think we can be fairer than that.

[Marky Mark88]

As predicted, the neighbour is unwilling to split the cost for a new fence. She came round yesterday with a parcel for us and the wife brought up the idea of putting a new fence in to which she immediately replied 'I've got no money.' She didn't even wait to see how much the cost would be. Apparently the concrete bench can't be moved, she said it would have to be smashed up, but no effort has been made to do this or ask for help. My wife made it clear that something needs to be done and our neighbour agreed, but she obviously isn't prepared to help. So basically we either pay the full cost for a new fence, try and raise the existing fence and make good, or leave it and wait for the dog to jump the fence again and report to the police. She's just completely oblivious.

I have attached some photos of the existing fence. My idea at the moment is to maybe get someone to come in and put some 12" gravel boards underneath the existing panels to make it higher. Any panels that are knackered will have to be replaced and maybe dig out the one concrete post that is leaning over a bit and get it reset. The fence will then be higher than the posts but we'll just have to live with that I guess.

[Zetec-S]

I mentioned earlier in the thread that I knew someone with a German Shepherd which could scale a 7 foot wall, so OP, there's no guarantee a higher fence will stop it getting across, so it would be a risk spending a grand on something which might not work, especially if the concrete bench isn't moved.

(also, and someone please feel free to correct me, but aren't there planning restrictions if you want to build a fence over 2m?)

Could you try fixing some trellis to the top of the fence, especially closest to the bench? Might be a cheaper (temporary) solution.

Although if it was me I'd be looking into reporting the dog. The breed doesn't matter, it's killed a cat and attacked it's owner. The warning signs are there...

[camshafted]

Some pitbull-types are extraordinary athletes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4oPew_UHS8

[durbster]

Zetec-S said:

I mentioned earlier in the thread that I knew someone with a German Shepherd which could scale a 7 foot wall, so OP, there's no guarantee a higher fence will stop it getting across, so it would be a risk spending a grand on something which might not work, especially if the concrete bench isn't moved.

A friend's neighbour kept a German Shepherd in the back garden. Never walked it, barely interacted with it (I think it was the victim of an acrimonious relationship breakup).

The poor thing got so bored / distressed it chewed through the wooden panel fence. And the next one.

I also lived with somebody who had a Staffie that they left out in the garden all day (in lovely weather - not UK ). That little dude was extraordinary at escaping his garden to go and see my mate's parents half a mile away. This was Mission:Impossible stuff with many steps of planning involved.

The point being: a big fence may not necessarily keep the dog out if it really wants to get out.

[alabbasi]

Marky Mark88 said:

As predicted, the neighbor is unwilling to split the cost for a new fence. She came round yesterday with a parcel for us and the wife.....]

As mentioned before, it's rarely the dog and usually the owner. If she's dropping off packages, then you seem to have a pretty good relationship with her. I would talk to her and tell her that you don't want the dog in your yard so something needs to be done and if you two can't work out a deal, then you'll talk to the council and see what can be done about the situation.

Most people hate the thought of government meddling and usually step up and do the right thing. Try not to negotiate with her out the character of the dog, make it clear that you're not interested in having any dog in your yard,

[Japveesix]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

So is a hyena. No doubt some on here think if you lavished it with affection and treated it well, you could turn it into a nice family pet. Because generations of DNA driving it's behaviour don't matter.

I've stroked a fully grown female hyena who was raised in captivity and she was absolutely lovely even though her head was bigger than any dog head I've ever come across.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Japveesix said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

So is a hyena. No doubt some on here think if you lavished it with affection and treated it well, you could turn it into a nice family pet. Because generations of DNA driving it's behaviour don't matter.

I've stroked a fully grown female hyena who was raised in captivity and she was absolutely lovely even though her head was bigger than any dog head I've ever come across.

Yup.....Dingos, African Hunting Dogs, Wolves, ...give them a nice owner and they'll be fine left with the kids.

[alabbasi]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Yup.....Dingos, .......give them a nice owner and they'll be fine left with the kids.

meryl streep might disagree with you.

[mylesmcd]

The difference in the breeds, for me, is that any dog can lose it's temper. My 3.5 kg Chiyuayua is a pure savage. But, if/when she does go full mental - I can handle it.

Anything that I could not kick st out of, is not coming into my house. That is anything of the pit bull/bull terrier family. period.

[alabbasi]

Why do you think it's OK to kick any dog?

[anonymous-user]

OP has a nice garden
he also seems a nice guy. Personally I think he will not get the peace of mind he deserves until the dog has gone

[Greendubber]

alabbasi said:

Why do you think it's OK to kick any dog?

Did they say that?

I'd be interested to see what would you do if one was attacking your dog or a child.

If a dog attacked for my dog I wouldn't think twice about giving it a boot.

[alabbasi]

Greendubber said:

Did they say that?

I'd be interested to see what would you do if one was attacking your dog or a child.

If a dog attacked for my dog I wouldn't think twice about giving it a boot.

Responding to the comment right here:

mylesmcd said:

Anything that I could not kick st out of, is not coming into my house. That is anything of the pit bull/bull terrier family. period.

I'm an experienced big dog owner that's aware of my dogs and other dogs around mine. Kicking a dog is abusing a dog and abused dogs make dangerous dogs. No different to abusing kids or abusing anybody else. Sooner or later, they'll lash out and usually not at the abuser.

An example of this for me was about 7 years ago when I was walking my 90lbs pit bull. My neighbor was coming the opposite way with her springer spaniel so I walked around a truck to avoid the dogs making contact. The lady walking the spaniel shouted that her dog got loose so I picked up mine and put him in the bed of the pickup truck. Aside from my pit being a little bit startled at me picking him up, nobody got hurt.

My pit passed away due to cancer in October 2016 and the spaniel passed away last month from old age. She's an older lady that I used to see often walking that dog and the community held a service for the animal. She remembered that day and we became good friends.

As a big dog owner, I'm rarely concerned about my dog because I always make sure that I have good control of my dog. I do have to be prepared for retarded owners that think that it's OK to keep their dogs off the lease or the odd occasion that somebody else loses control of their dogs. Sh*t happens.

Edited by alabbasi on Tuesday 14th November 20:19

[Greendubber]

alabbasi said:

Greendubber said:

Did they say that?

I'd be interested to see what would you do if one was attacking your dog or a child.

If a dog attacked for my dog I wouldn't think twice about giving it a boot.

Responding to the comment right here:

mylesmcd said:

Anything that I could not kick st out of, is not coming into my house. That is anything of the pit bull/bull terrier family. period.

I'm an experienced big dog owner that's aware of my dogs and other dogs around mine. Kicking a dog is abusing a dog and abused dogs make dangerous dogs. No different to abusing kids or abusing anybody else. Sooner or later, they'll lash out and usually not at the abuser.

I think you're reading a little too much into the comment.

[alabbasi]

Maybe. It's all about perceptions in the end. There are lots of people that think a dog of the same breed as mine should be put down. Which to me means that there's a bunch of people wanting to kill my dog. I found Billy, he was young and had lots and lots of scars.
It changes the way you look at things.

Edited by alabbasi on Tuesday 14th November 20:42

[mylesmcd]

alabbasi said:

Greendubber said:

Did they say that?

I'd be interested to see what would you do if one was attacking your dog or a child.

If a dog attacked for my dog I wouldn't think twice about giving it a boot.

Responding to the comment right here:

mylesmcd said:

Anything that I could not kick st out of, is not coming into my house. That is anything of the pit bull/bull terrier family. period.

I'm an experienced big dog owner that's aware of my dogs and other dogs around mine. Kicking a dog is abusing a dog and abused dogs make dangerous dogs. No different to abusing kids or abusing anybody else. Sooner or later, they'll lash out and usually not at the abuser.

An example of this for me was about 7 years ago when I was walking my 90lbs pit bull. My neighbor was coming the opposite way with her springer spaniel so I walked around a truck to avoid the dogs making contact. The lady walking the spaniel shouted that her dog got loose so I picked up mine and put him in the bed of the pickup truck. Aside from my pit being a little bit startled at me picking him up, nobody got hurt.

My pit passed away due to cancer in October 2016 and the spaniel passed away last month from old age. She's an older lady that I used to see often walking that dog and the community held a service for the animal. She remembered that day and we became good friends.

As a big dog owner, I'm rarely concerned about my dog because I always make sure that I have good control of my dog. I do have to be prepared for retarded owners that think that it's OK to keep their dogs off the lease or the odd occasion that somebody else loses control of their dogs. Sh*t happens.

Edited by alabbasi on Tuesday 14th November 20:19

If a dog is attacking a person it is ok to kick it, knife it, punch it or shoot it. Anything that comes to hand, maybe even bumming it.

Would you prefer putting the dog on the naughty step after it had savaged a 3 year old?

[alabbasi]

mylesmcd said:

If a dog is attacking a person it is ok to kick it, knife it, punch it or shoot it. Anything that comes to hand, maybe even bumming it. Would you prefer putting the dog on the naughty step after it had savaged a 3 year old?

It might be justified and you should certainly do everything you can in that instance. But that's not the comment made that I responded to. You had said that you would not let a dog in your house unless they were able to kick the sh*t out of it, I expect that this is how how you discipline, which is a pretty common view.

i'd think that nobody considers letting a known dangerous dog in their home with the view that they can beat sense into it, I'd give the you more credit.

Again it goes back to what I was saying in the beginning which is that it's got more to do with the owner than the dog. I did a quick google search for : "dog mauling UK" and this is was I got.

So yep, if your neighbor feeds her dog crack cocaine, you've got problems even if you build a 15ft high concrete wall with barbed wire. But if she's just a normal woman that happens to own a staff, you're probably safe.

Edited by alabbasi on Wednesday 15th November 21:51