Dangerous Dog Next Door!

[pseudonym]

Let's be clear, these dogs aren't Staffies. There is no such thing as a large Staffie.

[justinio]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

With an inherent propensity for violence bred into it over many generations. No amount of cuddles will alter its DNA.

Utter tosh

[Marky Mark88]

pseudonym said:

Let's be clear, these dogs aren't Staffies. There is no such thing as a large Staffie.

For absolute crystal clarity, one of them definitely has a 'certificate,' we're not 100% sure about the other, although it is still large for a Staffy.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Marky Mark88 said:

HappyMidget said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

With an inherent propensity for violence bred into it over many generations. No amount of cuddles will alter its DNA.

Complete and utter bks.


OP: Is the dog actually dangerous or are you just typing it based on your misconceptions due to breed? Do they actually show any sign of aggressiveness? I am guessing not if they have been exempted. Yes, the fence jumping needs to be sorted out, but do not assume they are dangerous.

As said in the original post, my wife has seen the 2 of them rip a cat apart and one of them (not sure which) has attacked the owner when she tried to get them back from the garden that backs onto hers. In fairness, my friend said that when this dog and mine were together in our garden there was no aggression, but they weren't together very long. For me if a dog can attack its owner then it can attack anyone, I wouldn't trust it, especially when they are together as a pair and there's a 'pack mentality.' Our poor Labrador wouldn't stand a chance.

Exactly. as you said, it's not a staffy, but a pit bull, likely bred for aggression and fighting.

Most dog lovers accept that behavioural traits can be bred into a dog, from rounding up sheep to chasing rats and rabbits down holes, but then refuse to believe aggression can be bred in. Their love of dogs scrambles their brains.

[anonymous-user]

Poisoned sausages is best solution

Should only need a few to finish of the owner of said dogs

[familyguy1]

suggest/insist they move the concrete bench, then surely they can't jump 6ft without breaking legs on landing.

[BBenzzz]

justinio said:

Assert dominance.

Bum the terrier in front of the staffies. Let them see who is boss.

I don't know how many people are going to let this solution pass them by.. but this is a thread closer.

Although on the pack mentality, maybe try bumming the bigger staffy? That can only end well

[Marky Mark88]

BBenzzz said:

justinio said:

Assert dominance.

Bum the terrier in front of the staffies. Let them see who is boss.

I don't know how many people are going to let this solution pass them by.. but this is a thread closer.

Although on the pack mentality, maybe try bumming the bigger staffy? That can only end well

fancy earning yourself 50 quid?

[sutts]

It would be virtually impossible to find a pure breed Pit Bull dog in the UK anymore, however, from what the OP has described this dog sounds like it has been certified by a court as a ‘Pit Bull type’ following an expert witness (Police dog legislation officer) examination.

It will have then been exempted from a destruction order as long as certain conditions are met (no history of recorded bites, owner is a ‘fit and proper person’, dog is sterilised, microchipped, muzzled in public places, kept in a secure garden etc.). This would explain why the owner is worried about it escaping as it breaches the certificate.

OP I think you are right to be concerned. Without being hysterical there is aggression inherent in the breed (to whatever % is actually Pit in this case) but the more concerning thing is that once one of these dogs attacks properly it is virtually impossible to get it off the prey as they go into a type of red mist mind set and are capable of causing massive injury. This is also part of the genetic makeup.

If you think the owner is no longer fit or proper or the dog continues to escape contact your local police and request contact details for the DD unit or DLO.

If it has been exempted/certified by a court it cannot legally be given away or rehomed.

[BBenzzz]

Marky Mark88 said:

BBenzzz said:

justinio said:

Assert dominance.

Bum the terrier in front of the staffies. Let them see who is boss.

I don't know how many people are going to let this solution pass them by.. but this is a thread closer.

Although on the pack mentality, maybe try bumming the bigger staffy? That can only end well

fancy earning yourself 50 quid?

£50?! Mate I'll have the eternal love of an angry Staffy and my own wee pack, what more could a guy want...

[anonymous-user]

Do not risk it. It's a fking animal, not a human. If it's jumping the fence, and the neighbour has already said the dog will be taken away if it jumps the fence, then the dog needs to be taken away. And the wker chav human owner element could probably do with being put down too.

When a dog attacks, it can be fatal in one bite, half a second. It happened twice last year near me, in both cases the child died. Once to my godson, 3 years old, and once to a lady who lived a mile away, again, her 2 year old daughter is now dead. Both times were so quick that even immediate intervention couldn't save the poor kids.

Do not risk it. Call the authorities now.

Drama queen maybe, but trust me you don't want to be the victim of one of these things.

Edited by OpulentBob on Tuesday 31st October 13:32

[TwigtheWonderkid]

sutts said:

Without being hysterical there is aggression inherent in the breed (to whatever % is actually Pit in this case) but the more concerning thing is that once one of these dogs attacks properly it is virtually impossible to get it off the prey as they go into a type of red mist mind set and are capable of causing massive injury. This is also part of the genetic makeup.

Why can't so called do g lovers accept this basic fact. My mate has a sheepdog. It was born in London and has never seen a farm, or a sheep. But when it's out and sees another dog or a cat, it'll drop its tummy to the floor and crawl, just like the sheepdogs on telly. Why....because its inbred behaviour, it's in it's DNA, it's what it's been bred for.

No amount of keeping it in London is going to change that.

Behavioural traits are bred into dogs. Aggression is one such trait that has been bred in to certain breeds. This isn't advanced genetics, it's basic common sense.

So you can stick this "no bad dogs, just bad owners" tripe. Of course there are bad owners, but some dogs have been bred to be bad. That's their raison d'etre.

[hyphen]

familyguy1 said:

suggest/insist they move the concrete bench, then surely they can't jump 6ft without breaking legs on landing.

But to be sure I would increase the height of the fence too, go big so you don't have to worry in the future.

[Autopilot]

Without knowing the dogs it's impossible to really understand what the implied threat of them is. I'd be more influenced by how competent the owner was. OK, she's been in a psychiatric ward, that means nothing really and doesn't immediately mean they are a nut job or not fit to have the dogs.

My immediate concern would be the fact that bits of plywood and trellis were used to make the fence higher but a raised platform (the bench) was still available for the dog to gain some height. Seems somebody didn't think this through very well. Fence panels aren't very resistant to dogs teeth, so if one of them wanted to come through then if would take just a minute for it to break its way through.

Regardless of the breed of the dog, it's her job to make sure they cannot escape and kept safe in her garden, so I personally would have a chat about her getting her fence replaced with something more suitable. If she's worried and loves the dogs (and has some money!) then she'd probably do what is required to make it dog proof. You need to be happy with the end result, so offer to help her get it sorted. She can think you're thinking about the well being of the dogs, but you're just making sure the buggers can't get in to your garden.

[Autopilot]

OpulentBob said:

Do not risk it. It's a fking animal, not a human. If it's jumping the fence, and the neighbour has already said the dog will be taken away if it jumps the fence, then the dog needs to be taken away. And the wker chav human owner element could probably do with being put down too.

When a dog attacks, it can be fatal in one bite, half a second. It happened twice last year near me, in both cases the child died. Once to my godson, 3 years old, and once to a lady who lived a mile away, again, her 2 year old daughter is now dead. Both times were so quick that even immediate intervention couldn't save the poor kids.

Do not risk it. Call the authorities now.

Drama queen maybe, but trust me you don't want to be the victim of one of these things.

Edited by OpulentBob on Tuesday 31st October 13:32

The dog doesn't need to be taken away, the garden needs to be secured properly. It's not as though the dog went mental and only jumped the fence because it wanted to kill everything on the other side of it. It didn't harm anybody and if it's on a certificate then it's likely to be deemed a Pit type dog but assessed to be of no danger.

The 'wker chav' owner has also been in a psychiatric ward for any number of reasons so a little harsh to judge. Whilst they sound a little wishy washy, they've been fairly compliant.

The dogs haven't hurt anybody, why call the authorities?

[Marky Mark88]

hyphen said:

familyguy1 said:

suggest/insist they move the concrete bench, then surely they can't jump 6ft without breaking legs on landing.

But to be sure I would increase the height of the fence too, go big so you don't have to worry in the future.

After speaking to our local council yesterday, they advised that the maximum height of a fence in a back garden is 6ft, so not sure where this leaves us to be honest? They said we couldn't even add trellis/wire on top of this. I guess we would need planning permission, but I'll be buggered if I'm paying for that. It's her responsibility to keep her dogs in, not our responsibility to keep them out surely?

[hyphen]

Marky Mark88 said:

hyphen said:

familyguy1 said:

suggest/insist they move the concrete bench, then surely they can't jump 6ft without breaking legs on landing.

But to be sure I would increase the height of the fence too, go big so you don't have to worry in the future.

After speaking to our local council yesterday, they advised that the maximum height of a fence in a back garden is 6ft, so not sure where this leaves us to be honest? They said we couldn't even add trellis/wire on top of this. I guess we would need planning permission, but I'll be buggered if I'm paying for that. It's her responsibility to keep her dogs in, not our responsibility to keep them out surely?

I meant in the I would just do it and ensure safety, and if anyone did snitch to the council then apply for retrospective planning. If fails then appeal and if needed and drag it out as long as possible.

Proof of danger will help- so perhaps log the dangerous dog with council too so can be used later.

Also anything that is classed as a 'temporary structure' doesn't need planning I think, or you could be creative with a pergola or something which can be taller than 6ft at 2.5m. https://www.perfectpergolas.co.uk/pergola-planning...

Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 31st October 13:56

[familyguy1]

can these dogs really jump 6ft ? I'd be surprised if they could. The owner stated they were climbing on the bench, so surely moving this would prevent the dogs climbing over.

[Marky Mark88]

Autopilot said:

Without knowing the dogs it's impossible to really understand what the implied threat of them is. I'd be more influenced by how competent the owner was. OK, she's been in a psychiatric ward, that means nothing really and doesn't immediately mean they are a nut job or not fit to have the dogs.

My immediate concern would be the fact that bits of plywood and trellis were used to make the fence higher but a raised platform (the bench) was still available for the dog to gain some height. Seems somebody didn't think this through very well. Fence panels aren't very resistant to dogs teeth, so if one of them wanted to come through then if would take just a minute for it to break its way through.

Regardless of the breed of the dog, it's her job to make sure they cannot escape and kept safe in her garden, so I personally would have a chat about her getting her fence replaced with something more suitable. If she's worried and loves the dogs (and has some money!) then she'd probably do what is required to make it dog proof. You need to be happy with the end result, so offer to help her get it sorted. She can think you're thinking about the well being of the dogs, but you're just making sure the buggers can't get in to your garden.

My worry is she will be happy for her son-in-law to do a bodge job on the fence, which 1, isn't strong enough to stop a dog of this type and 2, devalues our property, which is OK for her as she's social housing. We had to have a drain unblocked recently which turned out to be her fault and the first thing she said when they turned up was she had no money. Luckily it was her side so it ended up being free as she's social. It almost seems like she's happy to have this type of dog, but unwilling to make the necessary financial sacrifices to make sure it doesn't escape. It is a shared boundary, but I can guarantee she wouldn't want to contribute 50% of the cost to put a fence in to keep her dogs secure. In my mind that means she shouldn't have them.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Autopilot said:

The dog doesn't need to be taken away, the garden needs to be secured properly. It's not as though the dog went mental and only jumped the fence because it wanted to kill everything on the other side of it. It didn't harm anybody and if it's on a certificate then it's likely to be deemed a Pit type dog but assessed to be of no danger.

The 'wker chav' owner has also been in a psychiatric ward for any number of reasons so a little harsh to judge. Whilst they sound a little wishy washy, they've been fairly compliant.

The dogs haven't hurt anybody, why call the authorities?

Yes, let's wait until they do.

They've ripped a cat apart, they are pit bull type breed, the owner is in contravention of the certificate by letter them escape, and has had mental health issues.

If they were next door to me, I'd be doing everything in my power to have them destroyed. And I actually like dogs (but not so much that my brain turns to mush)