Dangerous Dog Next Door!
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Had long post written, realised there is no point, but I highly recommend having a read of "The Pit Bull Placebo" http://www.ebooksdownloads.xyz/search/the-pit-bull...
hyphen said:
Marky Mark88 said:
hyphen said:
familyguy1 said:
suggest/insist they move the concrete bench, then surely they can't jump 6ft without breaking legs on landing.
But to be sure I would increase the height of the fence too, go big so you don't have to worry in the future.Proof of danger will help- so perhaps log the dangerous dog with council too so can be used later.
Also anything that is classed as a 'temporary structure' doesn't need planning I think, or you could be creative with a pergola or something which can be taller than 6ft at 2.5m. https://www.perfectpergolas.co.uk/pergola-planning...
Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 31st October 13:56
Marky Mark88 said:
Knowing what I know now about the dog being certificated, I'm not sure my conscience can deal with that.
But the issuing of the certificate should give you some reassurance that the dog has been certified as not being a danger. OK, you could argue about the owner being fit for the job, but the dog has passed the tests.Taken from http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/138/pdfs/u...
Issue of certificate of exemption
9. The Agency must issue a certificate of exemption in respect of the dog if it is satisfied that—
(a) the court, in determining that the dog is not a danger to public safety, has decided the
person to whom the certificate is to be issued is a fit and proper person to be in charge of
the dog and has made the dog subject to a contingent destruction order;
(b) a fee of £77.00 plus Value Added Tax has been paid to the Agency; and
(c) the conditions referred to in articles 6 to 8 have been met.
Secure your garden so there's no way they can get in. Our neighbours have a new dog (not a staffy) and it has been in our garden through a gap in the hedge. Didn't take long to block the gap and hey presto no dog s
tting on our lawn.
If you don't want to involve the authorities and don't feel the owner can do anything then that's your only option.
tting on our lawn.If you don't want to involve the authorities and don't feel the owner can do anything then that's your only option.
Marky Mark88 said:
Autopilot said:
Without knowing the dogs it's impossible to really understand what the implied threat of them is. I'd be more influenced by how competent the owner was. OK, she's been in a psychiatric ward, that means nothing really and doesn't immediately mean they are a nut job or not fit to have the dogs.
My immediate concern would be the fact that bits of plywood and trellis were used to make the fence higher but a raised platform (the bench) was still available for the dog to gain some height. Seems somebody didn't think this through very well. Fence panels aren't very resistant to dogs teeth, so if one of them wanted to come through then if would take just a minute for it to break its way through.
Regardless of the breed of the dog, it's her job to make sure they cannot escape and kept safe in her garden, so I personally would have a chat about her getting her fence replaced with something more suitable. If she's worried and loves the dogs (and has some money!) then she'd probably do what is required to make it dog proof. You need to be happy with the end result, so offer to help her get it sorted. She can think you're thinking about the well being of the dogs, but you're just making sure the buggers can't get in to your garden.
My worry is she will be happy for her son-in-law to do a bodge job on the fence, which 1, isn't strong enough to stop a dog of this type and 2, devalues our property, which is OK for her as she's social housing. We had to have a drain unblocked recently which turned out to be her fault and the first thing she said when they turned up was she had no money. Luckily it was her side so it ended up being free as she's social. It almost seems like she's happy to have this type of dog, but unwilling to make the necessary financial sacrifices to make sure it doesn't escape. It is a shared boundary, but I can guarantee she wouldn't want to contribute 50% of the cost to put a fence in to keep her dogs secure. In my mind that means she shouldn't have them. My immediate concern would be the fact that bits of plywood and trellis were used to make the fence higher but a raised platform (the bench) was still available for the dog to gain some height. Seems somebody didn't think this through very well. Fence panels aren't very resistant to dogs teeth, so if one of them wanted to come through then if would take just a minute for it to break its way through.
Regardless of the breed of the dog, it's her job to make sure they cannot escape and kept safe in her garden, so I personally would have a chat about her getting her fence replaced with something more suitable. If she's worried and loves the dogs (and has some money!) then she'd probably do what is required to make it dog proof. You need to be happy with the end result, so offer to help her get it sorted. She can think you're thinking about the well being of the dogs, but you're just making sure the buggers can't get in to your garden.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Autopilot said:
The dog doesn't need to be taken away, the garden needs to be secured properly. It's not as though the dog went mental and only jumped the fence because it wanted to kill everything on the other side of it. It didn't harm anybody and if it's on a certificate then it's likely to be deemed a Pit type dog but assessed to be of no danger.
The 'wker chav' owner has also been in a psychiatric ward for any number of reasons so a little harsh to judge. Whilst they sound a little wishy washy, they've been fairly compliant.
The dogs haven't hurt anybody, why call the authorities?
Yes, let's wait until they do. The 'w
ker chav' owner has also been in a psychiatric ward for any number of reasons so a little harsh to judge. Whilst they sound a little wishy washy, they've been fairly compliant.The dogs haven't hurt anybody, why call the authorities?
They've ripped a cat apart, they are pit bull type breed, the owner is in contravention of the certificate by letter them escape, and has had mental health issues.
If they were next door to me, I'd be doing everything in my power to have them destroyed. And I actually like dogs (but not so much that my brain turns to mush)
The whole dog / cat thing is nothing new. I don't think it's ok and I for one always had spikes on my fences to prevent cats coming in. I've owned a few dogs and had one (female Dobermann) that didn't ever really bat an eyelid to anything but wouldn't want to test what happened if there was a cat in the garden...probably nothing, but who knows! I once was a field mouse walking on her and she just sniffed it and left it, but if I saw a cat in the garden I'd panic!
I agree, the owner seems to be the sticking point and should have secured the garden properly. The dog didn't escape to attack anything thing though, it's not as though the intention was to harm the friend working on the house so while the exemption rules have been broken, not on purpose of course, the owners ability seems to be the issue.
Autopilot said:
The dogs haven't hurt anybody, why call the authorities?
It's torn a cat apart. It's also attacked it's owner.familyguy1 said:
can these dogs really jump 6ft ? I'd be surprised if they could. The owner stated they were climbing on the bench, so surely moving this would prevent the dogs climbing over.
Can't speak for these dogs, but I know someone with a German Shepherd which makes scaling a 7ft wall look effortless.HappyMidget said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
They've ripped a cat apart
Do you understand the differences between human aggression, dog aggression and prey drive?If it was me, there's no chance I'd be putting up with that. Sod falling out with the neighbour, I'd want those dogs gone. I couldn't give two f
ks for prey drive or any other claptrap. TwigtheWonderkid said:
Yes, let's wait until they do.
They've ripped a cat apart, they are pit bull type breed, the owner is in contravention of the certificate by letter them escape, and has had mental health issues.
If they were next door to me, I'd be doing everything in my power to have them destroyed. And I actually like dogs (but not so much that my brain turns to mush)
Cats kill birds.They've ripped a cat apart, they are pit bull type breed, the owner is in contravention of the certificate by letter them escape, and has had mental health issues.
If they were next door to me, I'd be doing everything in my power to have them destroyed. And I actually like dogs (but not so much that my brain turns to mush)
Don't see anyone complaining.
Obvious double standards. Going to complain to the BBC.
xjay1337 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Yes, let's wait until they do.
They've ripped a cat apart, they are pit bull type breed, the owner is in contravention of the certificate by letter them escape, and has had mental health issues.
If they were next door to me, I'd be doing everything in my power to have them destroyed. And I actually like dogs (but not so much that my brain turns to mush)
Cats kill birds.They've ripped a cat apart, they are pit bull type breed, the owner is in contravention of the certificate by letter them escape, and has had mental health issues.
If they were next door to me, I'd be doing everything in my power to have them destroyed. And I actually like dogs (but not so much that my brain turns to mush)
Don't see anyone complaining.
Obvious double standards. Going to complain to the BBC.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Yes, all those news reports of cats killing children. It's those cats bred for fighting that are the worst.
There haven't been many stories in the headlines of late because Horse and then cows have come the biggest (Animal) killers of humans in the UK. Cats must try harder!!Wow, lots and lots of Daily Fail-esque knee jerk reactions here.
I would be incredibly surprised if it was a true Pit Bull, probably a staffie X but if the O.P is concerned about it, then fair enough. It's a radical idea but have you considered talking to your neighbour about your concerns over the dogs and your plans to start a family? Suggest a higher and more secure fence. She may realise that the dogs are too much for her and try to re-home them. Having a dispute with your next door neighbour should be avoided in my experience and trying dialogue first might save a world of grief later down the line. Good luck with your problem OP.
I don't believe Staffs or bull breeds are significantly more aggressive than many other dogs but their jaws are very strong and can cause great damage. If they are brought up well, they are lovely dogs but the breed is often misunderstood. Shame really as the can be very nice dogs. I don't and have never owned a staffie.
I would be incredibly surprised if it was a true Pit Bull, probably a staffie X but if the O.P is concerned about it, then fair enough. It's a radical idea but have you considered talking to your neighbour about your concerns over the dogs and your plans to start a family? Suggest a higher and more secure fence. She may realise that the dogs are too much for her and try to re-home them. Having a dispute with your next door neighbour should be avoided in my experience and trying dialogue first might save a world of grief later down the line. Good luck with your problem OP.
I don't believe Staffs or bull breeds are significantly more aggressive than many other dogs but their jaws are very strong and can cause great damage. If they are brought up well, they are lovely dogs but the breed is often misunderstood. Shame really as the can be very nice dogs. I don't and have never owned a staffie.
Piha said:
Wow, lots and lots of Daily Fail-esque knee jerk reactions here.
I would be incredibly surprised if it was a true Pit Bull, probably a staffie X but if the O.P is concerned about it, then fair enough. It's a radical idea but have you considered talking to your neighbour about your concerns over the dogs and your plans to start a family? Suggest a higher and more secure fence. She may realise that the dogs are too much for her and try to re-home them. Having a dispute with your next door neighbour should be avoided in my experience and trying dialogue first might save a world of grief later down the line. Good luck with your problem OP.
I don't believe Staffs or bull breeds are significantly more aggressive than many other dogs but their jaws are very strong and can cause great damage. If they are brought up well, they are lovely dogs but the breed is often misunderstood. Shame really as the can be very nice dogs. I don't and have never owned a staffie.
GSD's and Rottie's have a higher bite pressure than American Pit Bull Terriers IIRC. I would be incredibly surprised if it was a true Pit Bull, probably a staffie X but if the O.P is concerned about it, then fair enough. It's a radical idea but have you considered talking to your neighbour about your concerns over the dogs and your plans to start a family? Suggest a higher and more secure fence. She may realise that the dogs are too much for her and try to re-home them. Having a dispute with your next door neighbour should be avoided in my experience and trying dialogue first might save a world of grief later down the line. Good luck with your problem OP.
I don't believe Staffs or bull breeds are significantly more aggressive than many other dogs but their jaws are very strong and can cause great damage. If they are brought up well, they are lovely dogs but the breed is often misunderstood. Shame really as the can be very nice dogs. I don't and have never owned a staffie.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Piha said:
If they are brought up well, they are lovely dogs
What if both parents, all 4 grandparents, and all 8 great grandparents were all purpose bred fighting dogs? Do you really believe that bringing it up well will counteract that? Not a hope in hell. TwigtheWonderkid said:
What if both parents, all 4 grandparents, and all 8 great grandparents were all purpose bred fighting dogs? Do you really believe that bringing it up well will counteract that? Not a hope in hell.
Wow, what if, what if, what if....the Daily Fail is strong in this one........I would speak to the person involved and state my concerns. I would not assume their dogs 3rd cousin (twice removed obvs) was the dog fighting champion of North America and sired evil bitey devil dogs for giggles. How can it possibly be wrong to engage in some dialogue so FACTS can be determined?
The dog has a certificate certainly, but that certificate came with conditions attached-conditions that are not hard to abide by if the owner is serious about keeping the mutt.
I would say report it's escape to the relevant police **specialist**, and let THEM make the decision about whether to continue the certificate, make further restrictions, or take things further.
Better this than it getting out and harming someone else, especially the OP's eventual kid, or even a cat
I would say report it's escape to the relevant police **specialist**, and let THEM make the decision about whether to continue the certificate, make further restrictions, or take things further.
Better this than it getting out and harming someone else, especially the OP's eventual kid, or even a cat
really, some of the comments here pro and anti different types of dogs are completely missing the point.
The facts as presented by the OP
1) Dog jumps fences regularly and owner does not appear to be able to control it.
2) Dog has kill a neighbours cat
3) Dog has bitten owner when owner tried to control it.
4) Dog is already known to the authorities and has a "certificate" and conditions placed on its care.
I don't give a damn if it is a chiwawa, the dog needs control and the owner is not providing it. There is only one course of action for the OP, contact the authorities and let them decide what needs doing. They are the experts. End of......
The facts as presented by the OP
1) Dog jumps fences regularly and owner does not appear to be able to control it.
2) Dog has kill a neighbours cat
3) Dog has bitten owner when owner tried to control it.
4) Dog is already known to the authorities and has a "certificate" and conditions placed on its care.
I don't give a damn if it is a chiwawa, the dog needs control and the owner is not providing it. There is only one course of action for the OP, contact the authorities and let them decide what needs doing. They are the experts. End of......
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