Family protection dogs

[citizensm1th]

Jasandjules said:

citizensm1th said:

Insecure man wants big butch dog to make him feel less insecure reacts badly when told his idea is not a good one shocker.

Or lottery winner has old friends/enemies who are jealous and wants to make sure his family/house are not attacked? You know,if we are randomly guessing.

Either way, this is one area of PH that is usually helpful and constructive, bit disappointed in this thread for that.

Well i am sorry but when multiple people have tried to pass on advice gained from having owned and lived with dogs and just because they don't wholeheartedly agree with what the op wants to hear the op descends into you dont understand me i have loads of money type rants. the time to be helpful and constructive has passed.

The op comes across as the last person i would want to have any dog let alone one trained defend it's home with force.

[Deep]

Lemming Train said:

Your suspicion would be correct. Next ?

Next? Stop trying to judge people who you have never met based on an internet thread. Definitely don't assume everybody believes the same as you do.
Don't use inverted snobbery to try and denigrate people who are in a different position in life to you.

In simple terms, don't be a massive bellend. Though I suspect this is in your nature.

[juice]

Deep said:

Next? Stop trying to judge people who you have never met based on an internet thread. Definitely don't assume everybody believes the same as you do.
Don't use inverted snobbery to try and denigrate people who are in a different position in life to you.

In simple terms, don't be a massive bellend. Though I suspect this is in your nature.

Please just read what you wrote, the bit about not being a massive bellend and have a look how you come across.

I suspect you'll care not one jot about the advise or questions you've got on here and will go ahead regardless.

With that, Cheerio good luck hope it turns out how you want it to...

[iphonedyou]

Well this has gone well.

[bexVN]

iphonedyou said:

Well this has gone well.

[MYOB]

bexVN said:

A crying shame how this thread has deteriorated. The OP is simply asking for help sourcing a reputable breeder for a trained "protection" dog. We should have faith in such breeders making the appropriate suggestions for him on what would be right for him.

[bexVN]

MYOB said:

bexVN said:

A crying shame how this thread has deteriorated. The OP is simply asking for help sourcing a reputable breeder for a trained "protection" dog. We should have faith in such breeders making the appropriate suggestions for him on what would be right for him.

Sorry but I had to see the humour in his comment.

I don't think many people went wrong with their replies, the OP admitted he is not knowledgeable about dogs, many of the replies were well meaning but were completely disregarded even though these are experienced dog owners. There were a few that were ott.

Honestly I regret getting involved and partly why I (as someone noted the other day) that I don't get involved in threads on here nearly as often as I used to. This approach to dog ownership should have varying opinions and not just blatently agree because that's what the OP wants to hear.

Anyway I have nothing further to add and if my finding humour in a one sentence comment offended, then I apologise.

And sorry but my faith in breeders has been severely strained over the years. I know there are decent ones out there but they can be hard to find.

[Lemming Train]

Boosted LS1 said:

I don't think he is? Have you been watching to many Harry Enfield repeats?

Have you lost your specs, boosted LS1?

OP said:

Btw, do you know how much one of the fully trained dogs from the top companies cost? Starting price is £12k + vat, up to £20k.

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And I hate to have to say this as it's not my nature, but yes, I could buy one or even two of those dogs without batting an eyelid.

[...]

However as I've said, I can afford it without batting an eyelid.

[...]

So £20k for me might be the equivalent of £50 for you. Financial good fortune means one can make decisions in life without really having to worry about the cost (within reason)

Does someone have the link to the cringe thread?

But that aside.. anyone with a working brain can read between the lines of his posts and see that is not interested in the slightest in having a family pet and is only interested in buying an off-the-shelf "highly trained" dog that he can install in his home to do damage to any unwelcome guests. You can see how the tone and wording of his posts changed on the first page after he was quite rightly questioned by others over what he wanted this "family protection dog" to do. Once he'd been rumbled it was page after page of back-pedaling accusing everyone of misunderstanding him which eventually lead to the 'I'm considerably richer than yow' and 'I have money so my opinion is more valid than yours' crap in the last couple of pages which he fully deserved to be called out on. I feel sorry for the poor dog that's going to be installed in his home. Poor thing won't know whether it's coming or going being passed from pillar to post and no-one to love it and bond with.

[MYOB]

bexVN said:

Sorry but I had to see the humour in his comment.

Sorry, I wasn't criticising you for finding the comment funny. I should have used the "quote" button smarter. It was a funny comment...I was simply stating it was a shame to see the arguing, without highlighting anyone in particular.

Sorry that you thought I was criticising you for finding the humour in the previous comment!

[Boosted LS1]

Lemming Train said:

Boosted LS1 said:

I don't think he is? Have you been watching to many Harry Enfield repeats?

Have you lost your specs, boosted LS1?

OP said:

Btw, do you know how much one of the fully trained dogs from the top companies cost? Starting price is £12k + vat, up to £20k.

[...]

And I hate to have to say this as it's not my nature, but yes, I could buy one or even two of those dogs without batting an eyelid.

[...]

However as I've said, I can afford it without batting an eyelid.

[...]

So £20k for me might be the equivalent of £50 for you. Financial good fortune means one can make decisions in life without really having to worry about the cost (within reason)

Does someone have the link to the cringe thread?

But that aside.. anyone with a working brain can read between the lines of his posts and see that is not interested in the slightest in having a family pet and is only interested in buying an off-the-shelf "highly trained" dog that he can install in his home to do damage to any unwelcome guests. You can see how the tone and wording of his posts changed on the first page after he was quite rightly questioned by others over what he wanted this "family protection dog" to do. Once he'd been rumbled it was page after page of back-pedaling accusing everyone of misunderstanding him which eventually lead to the 'I'm considerably richer than yow' and 'I have money so my opinion is more valid than yours' crap in the last couple of pages which he fully deserved to be called out on. I feel sorry for the poor dog that's going to be installed in his home. Poor thing won't know whether it's coming or going being passed from pillar to post and no-one to love it and bond with.

So he has considerably more money then yo then?

[Lemming Train]

Boosted LS1 said:

So he has considerably more money then yo then?

Apparently so if he can afford 2x £20k dogs "without batting an eyelid", but this is PH so there is just as much chance that he is still at school, living with his mum and posting from the living room in his Y-fronts.

[Boosted LS1]

^ Where are you posting from?

[Lemming Train]

[fttm]

Back on topic , maybe the OP should get himself a pup then get off his backside and train it himself . He'll have a far more loyal dog , one that knows it's ranking , and will be totally trustworthy (always assuming it's treated well from day 1). Anybody paying 20k for a protection dog is absolutely nuts , on second thoughts maybe cctv and a bodyguard might be the better option in this instance .Unfkingreal

[Deep]

Lemming Train said:

Does someone have the link to the cringe thread?

But that aside.. anyone with a working brain can read between the lines of his posts and see that is not interested in the slightest in having a family pet and is only interested in buying an off-the-shelf "highly trained" dog that he can install in his home to do damage to any unwelcome guests. You can see how the tone and wording of his posts changed on the first page after he was quite rightly questioned by others over what he wanted this "family protection dog" to do. Once he'd been rumbled it was page after page of back-pedaling accusing everyone of misunderstanding him which eventually lead to the 'I'm considerably richer than yow' and 'I have money so my opinion is more valid than yours' crap in the last couple of pages which he fully deserved to be called out on. I feel sorry for the poor dog that's going to be installed in his home. Poor thing won't know whether it's coming or going being passed from pillar to post and no-one to love it and bond with.

Very good. However you conveniently omit the posts that my remarks were in response to. The first being somebody saying that if I had to think twice about the cost of a dog I probably didn't have anything worth protecting.

I pointed out how much these dogs actually cost as I suspect not many people know; and it's pretty relevant to the discussion. Then I pointed out that I can indeed afford the purchase cost without any issue. That is just a fact, no other way I can put it.

So you conveniently omit the post that leads me to respond regarding the financial side of this topic because it doesn't fit your narrative.

You seem to be a very angry and unhappy individual. I'm really sorry if things haven't worked out for you in life but going mental at strangers on the internet won't help.

[warch]

Yes proper wealthy people don't stay rich very long by spunking it all up the wall.

I think the means of the OP are irrelevant, I'm assuming he's pukka and he can afford one.

What I take issue with generally is owning a dog trained to attack people, acquiring such a dog off the peg, without any expertise in handling them, and keeping such an animal as a family pet with your kids. And I doubt that anyone needs such a dog in this country for private security.

Don't take any of this as a personal affront.

[anonymous-user]

Only on pH does money solve all problems.

If you ran a scrap metal business then a protection dog would be fine. But to buy one as a family pet is at best deluded.

These companies clearly cater for the more money then sense brigade. Get a boxer or whatever breed, care for them, teach them, train them, grow with them so they choose to become part of the family like the rest of the normal world do. I really hope you learn something from this thread, but doubt it.

[The Mad Monk]

This could come back to bite you.

(Anyone spot what I did there?)

[Steve H]

OP. I think you really need to remember the adverts that remind us that a dog isn't just for biting strangers (other things that a dog isn't just for are available). What I mean is the kind of dogs you are looking at are not low maintenance, they will require specific care and housing as well as ongoing training.

Given the sums you are talking about spending (and that money doesn't appear to be a particular issue anyway) isn't there much more effective security that you could get for your home/family?

[anonymous-user]

What a great thread.

Where's the popcorn?