Family protection dogs
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What a thread 
Nothing to add really other than my 4 month old Cockapoo (at the time) barked in the middle of the night to alert us that 2 scrotes were trying to break into our house a 2am.
Ever since that night, due to the praise she received, she alerts us to anybody coming up the driveway. Especially if they are wearing red
Nothing to add really other than my 4 month old Cockapoo (at the time) barked in the middle of the night to alert us that 2 scrotes were trying to break into our house a 2am.
Ever since that night, due to the praise she received, she alerts us to anybody coming up the driveway. Especially if they are wearing red
I’m in the middle of a 2 week residential course with my new assistance dog.
These dogs are well trained before my arrival but it’s hard work learning to bond and work with her. The work goes on when I get home with a lot of aftercare visits from Canine Partners.
The idea that you can get a dog of the shelf which is ready made for your situation is frankly bonkers.
These dogs are well trained before my arrival but it’s hard work learning to bond and work with her. The work goes on when I get home with a lot of aftercare visits from Canine Partners.
The idea that you can get a dog of the shelf which is ready made for your situation is frankly bonkers.
I said I would stay away from this thread but I was interested to get my friends knowledgeable experience. I explained as much as I could and this was his reply. I think it is about as balanced as you can hope for.
OP pm me if you want his details. He will be absolutely straight about what would be best.
"Hi Becky. Yes it can work well but in my view they need to own the dog from a pup and not buy it as a trained adult. My view is they treat the (well bred dog) as a normal pet under supervision for a year and then have it trained up. If he is intent on doing it by all means give him my number so I can give him the pros and the cons. He can’t use the dog offensively for example. X"
OP pm me if you want his details. He will be absolutely straight about what would be best.
"Hi Becky. Yes it can work well but in my view they need to own the dog from a pup and not buy it as a trained adult. My view is they treat the (well bred dog) as a normal pet under supervision for a year and then have it trained up. If he is intent on doing it by all means give him my number so I can give him the pros and the cons. He can’t use the dog offensively for example. X"
bexVN said:
I said I would stay away from this thread but I was interested to get my friends knowledgeable experience. I explained as much as I could and this was his reply. I think it is about as balanced as you can hope for.
OP pm me if you want his details. He will be absolutely straight about what would be best.
"Hi Becky. Yes it can work well but in my view they need to own the dog from a pup and not buy it as a trained adult. My view is they treat the (well bred dog) as a normal pet under supervision for a year and then have it trained up. If he is intent on doing it by all means give him my number so I can give him the pros and the cons. He can’t use the dog offensively for example. X"
Nice that you included the "x". OP pm me if you want his details. He will be absolutely straight about what would be best.
"Hi Becky. Yes it can work well but in my view they need to own the dog from a pup and not buy it as a trained adult. My view is they treat the (well bred dog) as a normal pet under supervision for a year and then have it trained up. If he is intent on doing it by all means give him my number so I can give him the pros and the cons. He can’t use the dog offensively for example. X"
This advice sound like a good option, and probably best for the OP.
stuartmmcfc said:
I’m in the middle of a 2 week residential course with my new assistance dog.
These dogs are well trained before my arrival but it’s hard work learning to bond and work with her. The work goes on when I get home with a lot of aftercare visits from Canine Partners.
The idea that you can get a dog of the shelf which is ready made for your situation is frankly bonkers.
My mum does some fundraising for Canine Partners. I've met one of their mutts and some of the things they can do are amazing.These dogs are well trained before my arrival but it’s hard work learning to bond and work with her. The work goes on when I get home with a lot of aftercare visits from Canine Partners.
The idea that you can get a dog of the shelf which is ready made for your situation is frankly bonkers.
Certainly a better use of a dog than the penis extension mooted by the OP.
Thank you.
Please do take into account, and I have said this on quite a few occasions, I'm not about to pop out tomorrow and come home with a 'ready made dog'.
This was never the intention. I may not be as knowledgeable as the life long dog owners here but I'm not stupid. It was a long time ago but I did have two dogs when I was a very young boy (both German Shepherds)
My original plan was to buy a pup, as I wanted it to bond with the family, and then get a reputable company to help me train it.
I went to visit an organisation that said they sold pups and fully trained dogs, my intention was to have a chat and look at the pups. The guy sort of started to talk me into a fully trained dog. He showed me what the fully trained dog could do (and I mean obedience more than anything else) He said I would never have the time to train a pup to that level myself.
However I still wasn't fully convinced, having much the same reservations as many of the people on this thread.
That's why I started this thread. I wanted to visit more reputable organisations to inform myself better.
People do sell these fully trained dogs, some of them have been around for 20 years with some high profile clients. So it does make one think whether it can work, otherwise wouldn't we hear about disasters? Wouldn't they be out of business?
However I'll say again, I have my own reservations about this approach, I'm not stupid.
I'm still at the information gathering stage, I'm not about to go out shopping and come back with a dog.
Thanks
Please do take into account, and I have said this on quite a few occasions, I'm not about to pop out tomorrow and come home with a 'ready made dog'.
This was never the intention. I may not be as knowledgeable as the life long dog owners here but I'm not stupid. It was a long time ago but I did have two dogs when I was a very young boy (both German Shepherds)
My original plan was to buy a pup, as I wanted it to bond with the family, and then get a reputable company to help me train it.
I went to visit an organisation that said they sold pups and fully trained dogs, my intention was to have a chat and look at the pups. The guy sort of started to talk me into a fully trained dog. He showed me what the fully trained dog could do (and I mean obedience more than anything else) He said I would never have the time to train a pup to that level myself.
However I still wasn't fully convinced, having much the same reservations as many of the people on this thread.
That's why I started this thread. I wanted to visit more reputable organisations to inform myself better.
People do sell these fully trained dogs, some of them have been around for 20 years with some high profile clients. So it does make one think whether it can work, otherwise wouldn't we hear about disasters? Wouldn't they be out of business?
However I'll say again, I have my own reservations about this approach, I'm not stupid.
I'm still at the information gathering stage, I'm not about to go out shopping and come back with a dog.
Thanks
young_bairn said:
What a thread
Nothing to add really other than my 4 month old Cockapoo (at the time) barked in the middle of the night to alert us that 2 scrotes were trying to break into our house a 2am.
Ever since that night, due to the praise she received, she alerts us to anybody coming up the driveway. Especially if they are wearing red
You'll be in bother in a months time then Nothing to add really other than my 4 month old Cockapoo (at the time) barked in the middle of the night to alert us that 2 scrotes were trying to break into our house a 2am.
Ever since that night, due to the praise she received, she alerts us to anybody coming up the driveway. Especially if they are wearing red
LordHaveMurci said:
young_bairn said:
What a thread
Nothing to add really other than my 4 month old Cockapoo (at the time) barked in the middle of the night to alert us that 2 scrotes were trying to break into our house a 2am.
Ever since that night, due to the praise she received, she alerts us to anybody coming up the driveway. Especially if they are wearing red
You'll be in bother in a months time then Nothing to add really other than my 4 month old Cockapoo (at the time) barked in the middle of the night to alert us that 2 scrotes were trying to break into our house a 2am.
Ever since that night, due to the praise she received, she alerts us to anybody coming up the driveway. Especially if they are wearing red
Gaz. said:
Well very few people have come out of this thread smelling of roses.
OP- something to ask- do these dogs listen/take commands from all members of your family? It isn't unusual to hear of a family pet being supremely obedient with one owner (could be mum, or dad or one of the kids) and a bit of a handful to outright disobedient to others in the household so I would assume that this trait may be accentuated with such a highly trained and focused dog???
My personal reservation is that this I wouldn't know what I'm buying or who I'm really buying it from. I've never felt entirely comfortable buying dogs as pets and my opinion of dog breeders is about the same as car dealers & estate agents (ie their true parentage, is the breeder really who they say they are). Our Staffy is fantastic and covers all the bases you've requested but lacks the intelligence of a GSD but on the upsides the shedding is far more manageable, all members of the household will be equal, they are a more manageable size and they live for playing with kids and cuddles on the sofa.
I'm not going to ask for your reasons as its none of my business, I will wish you luck though.
HiOP- something to ask- do these dogs listen/take commands from all members of your family? It isn't unusual to hear of a family pet being supremely obedient with one owner (could be mum, or dad or one of the kids) and a bit of a handful to outright disobedient to others in the household so I would assume that this trait may be accentuated with such a highly trained and focused dog???
My personal reservation is that this I wouldn't know what I'm buying or who I'm really buying it from. I've never felt entirely comfortable buying dogs as pets and my opinion of dog breeders is about the same as car dealers & estate agents (ie their true parentage, is the breeder really who they say they are). Our Staffy is fantastic and covers all the bases you've requested but lacks the intelligence of a GSD but on the upsides the shedding is far more manageable, all members of the household will be equal, they are a more manageable size and they live for playing with kids and cuddles on the sofa.
I'm not going to ask for your reasons as its none of my business, I will wish you luck though.
I don't know the answer to your question tbh but it's a very good one. When I visited this outfit the handler told me to give the command. I found that even more confusing ie will it just take a command from anybody??
Deep said:
I don't know the answer to your question tbh but it's a very good one. When I visited this outfit the handler told me to give the command. I found that even more confusing ie will it just take a command from anybody??
My dogs certainly wouldn't nor would my GSD (which means pet sitters and dog walkers are pretty much out of the question unless they know the person). But a friend has a couple of dogs that "can" be guarding type pooches and I can walk them off lead and they will obey me and follow my lead etc. I can't really get over the idea that it is better to get a puppy of whatever breed that you raise with your kids in your house, a dog that loves you will guard. You could surely get someone to come to your place and teach you how to train them and/or assist in the specific training elements you want?
I have a Protection Dog.
Its not something a lot of people understand. I don't usually bother telling people. She acts like a normal dog around people out side of work.
It took a massive commitment training wise. DO NOT get a pre-trained dog. Its virtually useless for the money you are spending you might as well just get some better physical security.
It took *me* easily 2 years of training once a week to get to a good standard. The dog was there after about 6-9 months! I had to have regular refresher training. It took up a lot of time. She is "retired" now but still works as she cant just sit at home all day as she would go mad so she is still doing 8 hour days just at a bit of a slower pace and I try and keep her active less of the time.
I enjoyed it, the skills stay with me for life and I saw it like someone who trains in martial arts they are probably never going to use the skills on the streets but one day you never know...
Its not something a lot of people understand. I don't usually bother telling people. She acts like a normal dog around people out side of work.
It took a massive commitment training wise. DO NOT get a pre-trained dog. Its virtually useless for the money you are spending you might as well just get some better physical security.
It took *me* easily 2 years of training once a week to get to a good standard. The dog was there after about 6-9 months! I had to have regular refresher training. It took up a lot of time. She is "retired" now but still works as she cant just sit at home all day as she would go mad so she is still doing 8 hour days just at a bit of a slower pace and I try and keep her active less of the time.
I enjoyed it, the skills stay with me for life and I saw it like someone who trains in martial arts they are probably never going to use the skills on the streets but one day you never know...
For all those saying they’re not family pets. My dad recently did extensive groundworks for a fairly wealthy family with young children with a large house in the countryside. They had a fully protection trained GSD.
Over the 6 weeks dad was there, most days the dog would bring him a ball to throw, harass dad to fuss him and was generally a lovely dog.
One day the owner showed dad the watch command and dad s
t himself, the dog literally flipped on command.
Very much like the video below.
https://youtu.be/wKZWS5UPKTg
Over the 6 weeks dad was there, most days the dog would bring him a ball to throw, harass dad to fuss him and was generally a lovely dog.
One day the owner showed dad the watch command and dad s
t himself, the dog literally flipped on command.Very much like the video below.
https://youtu.be/wKZWS5UPKTg
I feel for you OP i do. I have not read it all yet but wow some stuff people come out with in regards to something they know nothing about. I can show you a well trained dog and a fully functional protection dog, the difference is night and day.
People mention my dog barks and warns of fair does, your dogs must be worth that extra 15 to 20 thousand pounds then. How would your dogs cope with a gun pointed at them, a knife even a car coming at you. My dogs are trained in all aspects of what a criminal can possible do to you and your family.
Protection dogs are calm, well natured until that dog realises a threat is close. They will not run from a threat like most dogs would once it comes on top. The job is to show a criminal they know what is what and not just a yappy dog what an intruder will know it is scared.
People mention my dog barks and warns of fair does, your dogs must be worth that extra 15 to 20 thousand pounds then. How would your dogs cope with a gun pointed at them, a knife even a car coming at you. My dogs are trained in all aspects of what a criminal can possible do to you and your family.
Protection dogs are calm, well natured until that dog realises a threat is close. They will not run from a threat like most dogs would once it comes on top. The job is to show a criminal they know what is what and not just a yappy dog what an intruder will know it is scared.
bexVN said:
I said I would stay away from this thread but I was interested to get my friends knowledgeable experience. I explained as much as I could and this was his reply. I think it is about as balanced as you can hope for.
OP pm me if you want his details. He will be absolutely straight about what would be best.
"Hi Becky. Yes it can work well but in my view they need to own the dog from a pup and not buy it as a trained adult. My view is they treat the (well bred dog) as a normal pet under supervision for a year and then have it trained up. If he is intent on doing it by all means give him my number so I can give him the pros and the cons. He can’t use the dog offensively for example. X"
This is my preferred option from a pup but can and does work with fully trained dogs. I prefer to know my pups traits and charismatics. It's good to work with dogs and find out about them, but a good trainer will train the new owner and his new dog. OP pm me if you want his details. He will be absolutely straight about what would be best.
"Hi Becky. Yes it can work well but in my view they need to own the dog from a pup and not buy it as a trained adult. My view is they treat the (well bred dog) as a normal pet under supervision for a year and then have it trained up. If he is intent on doing it by all means give him my number so I can give him the pros and the cons. He can’t use the dog offensively for example. X"
Batleyred said:
I feel for you OP i do. I have not read it all yet but wow some stuff people come out with in regards to something they know nothing about. I can show you a well trained dog and a fully functional protection dog, the difference is night and day.
People mention my dog barks and warns of fair does, your dogs must be worth that extra 15 to 20 thousand pounds then. How would your dogs cope with a gun pointed at them, a knife even a car coming at you. My dogs are trained in all aspects of what a criminal can possible do to you and your family.
Protection dogs are calm, well natured until that dog realises a threat is close. They will not run from a threat like most dogs would
Well of course they won't, because they'd be dead. It amazes me how certain people in this thread think that their dog is some kind of machine that will protect them from everything. Completely deluded. Crims are not going to give a flying fPeople mention my dog barks and warns of fair does, your dogs must be worth that extra 15 to 20 thousand pounds then. How would your dogs cope with a gun pointed at them, a knife even a car coming at you. My dogs are trained in all aspects of what a criminal can possible do to you and your family.
Protection dogs are calm, well natured until that dog realises a threat is close. They will not run from a threat like most dogs would
k about your £20k dog and won't hesitate to put a cap in its head, slice its throat with a knife or drive over it if they're in a vehicle.Lemming Train said:
Batleyred said:
I feel for you OP i do. I have not read it all yet but wow some stuff people come out with in regards to something they know nothing about. I can show you a well trained dog and a fully functional protection dog, the difference is night and day.
People mention my dog barks and warns of fair does, your dogs must be worth that extra 15 to 20 thousand pounds then. How would your dogs cope with a gun pointed at them, a knife even a car coming at you. My dogs are trained in all aspects of what a criminal can possible do to you and your family.
Protection dogs are calm, well natured until that dog realises a threat is close. They will not run from a threat like most dogs would
Well of course they won't, because they'd be dead. It amazes me how certain people in this thread think that their dog is some kind of machine that will protect them from everything. Completely deluded. Crims are not going to give a flying fPeople mention my dog barks and warns of fair does, your dogs must be worth that extra 15 to 20 thousand pounds then. How would your dogs cope with a gun pointed at them, a knife even a car coming at you. My dogs are trained in all aspects of what a criminal can possible do to you and your family.
Protection dogs are calm, well natured until that dog realises a threat is close. They will not run from a threat like most dogs would
k about your £20k dog and won't hesitate to put a cap in its head, slice its throat with a knife or drive over it if they're in a vehicle.Mine just think dads got his stick that makes a loud noise, i am sure they have no concept of the link between stick loud noise and shot or that if a certain end of dads stick is pointing at them it is more dangerous than the other end.
Batleyred said:
I feel for you OP i do. I have not read it all yet but wow some stuff people come out with in regards to something they know nothing about. I can show you a well trained dog and a fully functional protection dog, the difference is night and day.
People mention my dog barks and warns of fair does, your dogs must be worth that extra 15 to 20 thousand pounds then. How would your dogs cope with a gun pointed at them, a knife even a car coming at you. My dogs are trained in all aspects of what a criminal can possible do to you and your family.
Protection dogs are calm, well natured until that dog realises a threat is close. They will not run from a threat like most dogs would once it comes on top. The job is to show a criminal they know what is what and not just a yappy dog what an intruder will know it is scared.
I expected you to rock up much earlier. People mention my dog barks and warns of fair does, your dogs must be worth that extra 15 to 20 thousand pounds then. How would your dogs cope with a gun pointed at them, a knife even a car coming at you. My dogs are trained in all aspects of what a criminal can possible do to you and your family.
Protection dogs are calm, well natured until that dog realises a threat is close. They will not run from a threat like most dogs would once it comes on top. The job is to show a criminal they know what is what and not just a yappy dog what an intruder will know it is scared.
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