Family protection dogs

[FredClogs]

The navy seals use those Belgian Malinois things, they're a bit of a handful by all accounts but should keep Granny on her toes so it's a double win.

[Scabutz]

FredClogs said:

The navy seals use those Belgian Malinois things, they're a bit of a handful by all accounts but should keep Granny on her toes so it's a double win.

Lovely looking dogs. I posted on the previous page about one working with the SAS who ripped someone's throat out.

[bexVN]

Scabutz said:

FredClogs said:

The navy seals use those Belgian Malinois things, they're a bit of a handful by all accounts but should keep Granny on her toes so it's a double win.

Lovely looking dogs. I posted on the previous page about one working with the SAS who ripped someone's throat out.

Being introduced more and more into our police force as less health issues compared to gsd's. Not a breed for the inexperienced!

[Never you mind]

Many years ago I liberated a doberman that was a security guard dog but was being so mistreated that I managed to convince a few of my friends to help me steal it. She was a lovely looking doberman though and I called her Schwartz.

Training this dog was the hardest thing I have ever done and required some pretty bad actions that I had to do to keep on top of it. Eventually however it came round to my way of thinking. All in all I would say it was about 5/6 months of training everyday and spending time with it to get it to a stage that I could introduce it to people without it going for them.

It did however have a few tendencies to be very very nasty at times especially with people in uniforms - it pinned two police officers to a wall once. Also, a friend of my then girlfriend came into house when we weren't there. The dog made sure she didn't move anywhere form the hallway for about 30 minutes. Growling, barking and snarling at her every time she moved apparently.

Basically what I am saying is that although people can have dogs trained like this it requires a lot of dedication and time and it's not something a noice/beginner should do. Even if you buy them all ready trained it won't have a bond with you only the trainer so there is no guarantee it will listen to you anyway. The perfect example to this is my working spaniel, the wife did most of her training and so it mainly listens to the wife more than me. Now imagine that with something a bit bitey, See what I am getting it?

By all means get one but you have to be prepared to put the work in.

[Deep]

Thanks. I'm not expecting it to be a walk in the park (ahem), and have not yet made up my mind whether the family can cope with the demands of a dog like this. Or whether it is suitable for my family in other ways.

Hence my request for some reputable companies to go and visit and then try and make a sensible decision.

Thank you to those who have made a positive contribution to the thread. The voices of reason are some times drowned out by the usual knee jerk mob who assume only they have good judgement and everybody elses is flawed.

[citizensm1th]

I am unsure if the op is of the opinion that a dog is like some kind of machine, that you can buy ready trained and then do little or no follow up training.

If he is thinking that he is in for a rude awakening.

[Deep]

So said:

Deep, apologies if I have missed something, but why do you believe you need a family protection dog? Who do you believe you need to protect your family from?

So, a family protection dog is just a term that is used and not one that I made up.

I think I've explained my circumstances and what I would like. I'll recap. I'm a normal family guy, ie not a drug dealer, loan shark etc who needs an attack dog nor a VIP who is subject to some specific threat.

As I said in my very first post, I would like the dog to act as a deterrent against unauthorised access to my property ie burglary or home invasion.

These kind of dogs seem to commonly be called 'family protection dogs', that's why I used the term.

It's not my belief that just any yapping dog will do this, your opinion may differ.

Thanks

[Deep]

citizensm1th said:

I am unsure if the op is of the opinion that a dog is like some kind of machine, that you can buy ready trained and then do little or no follow up training.

If he is thinking that he is in for a rude awakening.

So once again you assume that only you know what is involved and everybody else is stupid? Do you behave like this when you're not behind a keyboard?

Unbelievable

[So]

Deep said:

So, a family protection dog is just a term that is used and not one that I made up.

I think I've explained my circumstances and what I would like. I'll recap. I'm a normal family guy, ie not a drug dealer, loan shark etc who needs an attack dog nor a VIP who is subject to some specific threat.

As I said in my very first post, I would like the dog to act as a deterrent against unauthorised access to my property ie burglary or home invasion.

These kind of dogs seem to commonly be called 'family protection dogs', that's why I used the term.

It's not my belief that just any yapping dog will do this, your opinion may differ.

Thanks

Yes I read your comments about what you are not. But you clearly feel the need for protection.

I am not sure if you know, but criminals who really want to get at you or your assets have ways of dealing with dogs that are really very unpleasant. Very, very unpleasant.

Keep a dog by all means, but there are more effective deterrents that don’t need feeding and don’t poo in the garden.

[citizensm1th]

Deep said:

citizensm1th said:

I am unsure if the op is of the opinion that a dog is like some kind of machine, that you can buy ready trained and then do little or no follow up training.

If he is thinking that he is in for a rude awakening.

So once again you assume that only you know what is involved and everybody else is stupid? Do you behave like this when you're not behind a keyboard?

Unbelievable

I really do not think you understand the level of comment in both time and money you will have to provide to keep your very expensive protection dog at the level of training and fitness it will be at when you purchase it.

Nether do I think you fully understand just how serious a fully trained dog of this type is

The really sad thing is it will not just be your money you are wasting if you go ahead

[MYOB]

For those against the idea, the OP will hopefully talk to the reputable providers of these ready trained dogs and will be advised what is best for his situation. They are more likely to suggest a dog that will alert rather than an all out attack dog.

Some of you seem to think the OP wants a dangerous dog that will attack, bite and maul. That's not what he said he wants. A dog that offers protection CAN simply be a family pet that is trained to alert and deter if there are intruders

By doing his due diligence, hopefully the OP will get the right dog that fulfills his requirements.

OP, carry on with your research and talk to the specialists. Talk to more than one so you can do all the due diligence necessary, which I believe is your intention. In all likelihood, you will mostly be recommended to get a family type breed that can be trained to alert, rather than an aggressive breed that is purely for security purposes.

Good luck.

[Deep]

So said:

Yes I read your comments about what you are not. But you clearly feel the need for protection.

I am not sure if you know, but criminals who really want to get at you or your assets have ways of dealing with dogs that are really very unpleasant. Very, very unpleasant.

Keep a dog by all means, but there are more effective deterrents that don’t need feeding and don’t poo in the garden.

Interesting that you say that I feel the need for protection as though it is something that isn't universal. Can I assume that you don't feel that way? So you leave your doors unlocked? Do you tell your wife and kids to walk down dark alleys on their own in the wee small hours?

It's just a matter of degrees.

I take your point that even a highly trained dog can be defeated. But then our army could be defeated by many others in the world, shall we not bother with an army then? The locks on your front door could probably be defeated in minutes, shall we not bother with those? Your window smashed in seconds, shall we just leave those open?

I'm genuinely interested in the more effective deterrents you mentioned especially if it doesn't involve poo in my garden. But please don't say CCTV cameras and lights that go on at dusk lol

[Deep]

MYOB said:

For those against the idea, the OP will hopefully talk to the reputable providers of these ready trained dogs and will be advised what is best for his situation. They are more likely to suggest a dog that will alert rather than an all out attack dog.

Some of you seem to think the OP wants a dangerous dog that will attack, bite and maul. That's not what he said he wants. A dog that offers protection CAN simply be a family pet that is trained to alert and deter if there are intruders

By doing his due diligence, hopefully the OP will get the right dog that fulfills his requirements.

OP, carry on with your research and talk to the specialists. Talk to more than one so you can do all the due diligence necessary, which I believe is your intention. In all likelihood, you will mostly be recommended to get a family type breed that can be trained to alert, rather than an aggressive breed that is purely for security purposes.

Good luck.

Thank you, nail on head! Why do so many others fail to grasp what I have said time and time again?

[bexVN]

Deep said:

MYOB said:

For those against the idea, the OP will hopefully talk to the reputable providers of these ready trained dogs and will be advised what is best for his situation. They are more likely to suggest a dog that will alert rather than an all out attack dog.

Some of you seem to think the OP wants a dangerous dog that will attack, bite and maul. That's not what he said he wants. A dog that offers protection CAN simply be a family pet that is trained to alert and deter if there are intruders

By doing his due diligence, hopefully the OP will get the right dog that fulfills his requirements.

OP, carry on with your research and talk to the specialists. Talk to more than one so you can do all the due diligence necessary, which I believe is your intention. In all likelihood, you will mostly be recommended to get a family type breed that can be trained to alert, rather than an aggressive breed that is purely for security purposes.

Good luck.

Thank you, nail on head! Why do so many others fail to grasp what I have said time and time again?

Maybe because some of us have owned dogs for many years and like me have worked with dogs for 30yrs so may have some valid opinions about why it may not be the ideal way to go about getting a dog but hey what do I know.....

[Never you mind]

citizensm1th said:

Deep said:

citizensm1th said:

I am unsure if the op is of the opinion that a dog is like some kind of machine, that you can buy ready trained and then do little or no follow up training.

If he is thinking that he is in for a rude awakening.

So once again you assume that only you know what is involved and everybody else is stupid? Do you behave like this when you're not behind a keyboard?

Unbelievable

I really do not think you understand the level of comment in both time and money you will have to provide to keep your very expensive protection dog at the level of training and fitness it will be at when you purchase it.

Nether do I think you fully understand just how serious a fully trained dog of this type is

The really sad thing is it will not just be your money you are wasting if you go ahead

I kind of agree with this.


Trained dogs aren't the kind of thing that once trained behave impeccably all the time. I know this as my spaniel is very highly trained but she will still do as she pleases from time to time. It does require a lot of time and patience to keep it trained. I am not putting you off deep but as the poster above mentions you WILL need to put the time in. Do you have a spare 30 minutes every day in which you can dedicate time to train a dog? Do the family all buy into this ideas as well as any soft touch in the family is a weak link in the dogs training. You HAVE to all sing from the same hymn sheet. Doesn't matter if it's a gun dog, protection dog or family pet the same still applies to some level.

[MYOB]

bexVN said:

Maybe because some of us have owned dogs for many years and like me have worked with dogs for 30yrs so may have some valid opinions about why it may not be the ideal way to go about getting a dog but hey what do I know.....

The OP sound educated and wise. He's doing his research and hopefully will identify the right dog for his family. Once he gets talking to people, he will narrow down his options, which most likely will not include dogs that are high risks of being uncontrollable with instincts to attack and maul.

Some of these providers can provide family dogs that simply have been trained in basic obedience and alert owners when people approach their homes. Now, perhaps you have suggestions for the OP given your vast experiences?

[Jim on the hill]

Deep said:

Jim on the hill said:

The reluctance to answer this question is worrying.

What's worrying you today my dear?

The answer to your question was in what I quoted.

As an owner of "guard dog" breeds I am always worried when inexperienced people who can't really explain why they require a dog like this wants to get involved.

I can see that you clearly know everything apart from how to Google for someone who will sell you a bodyguard in a dog suit.

Maybe you should move to a nicer area or hit the gym so you feel a bit more confident.

I wish you the best of luck in finding peace

[makaveli144]

MYOB said:

The OP sound educated and wise. He's doing his research and hopefully will identify the right dog for his family. Once he gets talking to people, he will narrow down his options, which most likely will not include dogs that are high risks of being uncontrollable with instincts to attack and maul.

Some of these providers can provide family dogs that simply have been trained in basic obedience and alert owners when people approach their homes. Now, perhaps you have suggestions for the OP given your vast experiences?

This... as long as the OP goes in with eyes open and doesnt launch head first into a decision. Its whatever fits for the person and the family.

A proper breeder or trainer wont push a dog onto someone that isnt suitable. It's not worth the risk and reputational damage.

[bexVN]

MYOB said:

bexVN said:

Maybe because some of us have owned dogs for many years and like me have worked with dogs for 30yrs so may have some valid opinions about why it may not be the ideal way to go about getting a dog but hey what do I know.....

The OP sound educated and wise. He's doing his research and hopefully will identify the right dog for his family. Once he gets talking to people, he will narrow down his options, which most likely will not include dogs that are high risks of being uncontrollable with instincts to attack and maul.

Some of these providers can provide family dogs that simply have been trained in basic obedience and alert owners when people approach their homes. Now, perhaps you have suggestions for the OP given your vast experiences?

Read through and you will see I have offered help and offered to speak to knowledgeable people but I have had no response so will leave it at that.

[MYOB]

bexVN said:

Read through and you will see I have offered help and offered to speak to knowledgeable people but I have had no response so will leave it at that.

Fair enough. That's a decent offer of help from you.