Peregrine Falcon M or F ?

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Scotty2

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1,272 posts

266 months

Tuesday 15th January 2019
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This chap(ess) is setting up shop on site. Can anyone tell me if it is Male or Female?

We have constructed a nesting box to try and get it to stay as the pigeons don't like it!

Pic from CCTV so not ideal.




Nightmare

5,187 posts

284 months

Tuesday 15th January 2019
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Very cool! But I’d need to see it from the front to make a guess at gender......someone else may be more knowledgable

Equus

16,884 posts

101 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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It's a crap photograph, and the colour balance of the photograph itself makes it difficult to tell, but if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that's either a female or a juvenile - both tend to have feathers that look a little browner and more mottled on their backs, whereas adult males tend to be a more uniform slate grey.

Boosted LS1

21,187 posts

260 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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Equus said:
It's a crap photograph, and the colour balance of the photograph itself makes it difficult to tell, but if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that's either a female or a juvenile - both tend to have feathers that look a little browner and more mottled on their backs, whereas adult males tend to be a more uniform slate grey.
My thoughts to and I noticed the facial markings aren't very sharp.

Jasandjules

69,895 posts

229 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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Looking at the lower pic of the face that looks like a young one to me so not sure it will be easy to tell....

Scotty2

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266 months

Thursday 17th January 2019
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I'll try and get a better pic when he/she is facing the other way (It was a pic of the CCTV screen while at max zoom). I do agree that it seems to be a young bird. When watching it preen and move about, the talons look extremely big for the body size, and it has just started to hang out here over the last few weeks.
Bird box constructed and waiting to be installed.


Jasandjules

69,895 posts

229 months

Thursday 17th January 2019
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By the way you are exceedingly lucky !! We get a few kestrels and kites and owls in the woods etc but that is another story !!

Scotty2

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266 months

Thursday 17th January 2019
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One of the tail feathers:


jned2

198 posts

129 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Not putting myself forward as any type of expert but as I understand it the major difference between adult male/female peregrines is size, which if your not used to seeing peregrines regularly, or just looking at photos presents a problem. Also I'm not sure whether they use bird boxes either, in the natural environment aren't they more cliff/rock face nesters, I know they do frequent and nest in urban environments seeing high rise buildings etc as cliffs/rock faces. I note from your profile you're based in East Yorkshire, it's a bird watching hot spot,I'm sure you can probably get info/advice from the county bird recorder, details should be on the web somewhere. Good luck.

Equus

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101 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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jned2 said:
Not putting myself forward as any type of expert but as I understand it the major difference between adult male/female peregrines is size
Females of most raptors (including Peregrines) are larger than males. But judging on size alone can be very difficult, unless you've got one sitting immediately next to the other.

And unless the OP can get us a high resolution picture of the bird sitting next to a tape measure, it's certainly not going to help us here.

Although less well defined, there are other visual differences of colour and markings, however. Females look a lot like juveniles, though, so telling the difference between a female and a juvenile - particularly from a poor quality image - is next to impossible, out of context.

Scotty2

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266 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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It is not a "Box" as such, but more of a Hutch. You are correct that they don't build a nest but a "scrape" where the female lays eggs in a small depression. We have sand/stone about 50mm deep behind a 10mm plank to stop accidental egg rolling.Got the design from a specialist website... No! not that type ;-)



Emanresu

311 posts

89 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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It’s a wild bird. Trying to trap it will make you a .

Equus

16,884 posts

101 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Emanresu said:
It’s a wild bird. Trying to trap it will make you a .
Did you read the OP?

He's not trying to trap it, he's trying to encourage it to stay, because it's scaring off pigeons.

Rushjob

1,853 posts

258 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Many years ago I worked in the Telephone Exchange in Hanley, those from Stoke will know it as the grey monstrosity at the top of Clough Street.

We had peregrines nesting on the roof, quite often when looking out of the windows you'd see a puff of feathers as another pigeon got nailed.

Only problem was that the top of the building had a cutaway on one side creating a terrace on the 7th floor where the office for the supervisors of the Operator and Directory Enquiries staff lived.

These were mostly ladies of a certain age with a rather over inflated view of their position in life, they demanded that the nest was removed immediately as the parents and fledglings were dropping the bits they didn't want to eat out of the nest up above the 9th floor, down onto the terrace where it was rotting away right outside the windows to the office.

Rotten pigeon doesn't smell too good..

Apparently it was a joy to behold their expressions when they were told that the birds were protected so hands off and keep the windows shut if you don't like the smell!

Scotty2

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Friday 18th January 2019
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Emanresu said:
It’s a wild bird. Trying to trap it will make you a .
Trap it! We are trying to help a rare species breed. It's a nest box, not a trap you tit!

FFS. Reggie, or Elisabeth is welcome on our site.

Bill

52,762 posts

255 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Scotty2 said:
It is not a "Box" as such, but more of a Hutch. You are correct that they don't build a nest but a "scrape" where the female lays eggs in a small depression. We have sand/stone about 50mm deep behind a 10mm plank to stop accidental egg rolling.Got the design from a specialist website... No! not that type ;-)

What was the website??

We have a kestrel (I think...) roosting on one of our window sills and I'd like to encourage it.

The window in question is 3rd floor and quite small but deep. It faces East and overlooks our drive and farmland. The only issue I can see is that as it's above the drive there's a bit of traffic that might put them off.

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

137 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Ace thread well done op

Scotty2

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266 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Good info on this site:

http://www.londonperegrines.com/services/index.php

A Kestrel will need a more traditional box. Just search for Kestrel Nest Box images.


951TSE

600 posts

157 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Loads of info on this website

https://www.ntu.ac.uk/about-us/news/news-articles/...

There's various photos and videos in the links that should help with your identification.