Entitled dog owners
Discussion
bmwmike said:
"had" in the loving sense, or "had" as in the mauled sense? The latter could end up being one of those scenarios where you read of a child being attacked in a caravan and the owners claiming "but little ripper was always so good with kids". Until they are not.
Had in the sense that it killed it, to be honest it must of been an old fox as usually they go to ground pretty fast and the dog a German Sheppard (passed away now) wasn't usually that good at chasing rabbits and stuff. One thing I do disagree on is seeing people on social media and on walks who have bought a traditional fighting breed as a first dog things like Chow Chows that look all fluffy but are very stubborn and hard to make to submit for their master.
wastedyouth86 said:
A Rambler is different from someone out on a casual walk as usually they are dressed head to toe from blacks have a walking stick and hiking boots and have a certain attitude of being superior to other people out enjoying the countryside/woods.
Most dog walkers i meet when out walking will 9 times out of ten say good morning as each others dogs say hello/play/smell.
I am also a cyclist and have ridden BMX/mtbs since i was 16 so would say i know the culture fairly well however seeing as cycling has had a huge up swing in popularity and the introduction of ebikes there seems to be more people around that fit the phrase 'all the gear no idea'.
Going back to Ramblers back in the day we would have a set of Dirt Jumps in local woodland not near a path in a very secluded part of the woods no one would have an issue apart from Keith and Carol dressed in their finest Rab down jackets kicking down take offs and landings because it did not fit in with their own personal idea of what should be allowed in woodlands.
Maybe they just think that they are superior to you?!Most dog walkers i meet when out walking will 9 times out of ten say good morning as each others dogs say hello/play/smell.
I am also a cyclist and have ridden BMX/mtbs since i was 16 so would say i know the culture fairly well however seeing as cycling has had a huge up swing in popularity and the introduction of ebikes there seems to be more people around that fit the phrase 'all the gear no idea'.
Going back to Ramblers back in the day we would have a set of Dirt Jumps in local woodland not near a path in a very secluded part of the woods no one would have an issue apart from Keith and Carol dressed in their finest Rab down jackets kicking down take offs and landings because it did not fit in with their own personal idea of what should be allowed in woodlands.
PH User said:
wastedyouth86 said:
A Rambler is different from someone out on a casual walk as usually they are dressed head to toe from blacks have a walking stick and hiking boots and have a certain attitude of being superior to other people out enjoying the countryside/woods.
Most dog walkers i meet when out walking will 9 times out of ten say good morning as each others dogs say hello/play/smell.
I am also a cyclist and have ridden BMX/mtbs since i was 16 so would say i know the culture fairly well however seeing as cycling has had a huge up swing in popularity and the introduction of ebikes there seems to be more people around that fit the phrase 'all the gear no idea'.
Going back to Ramblers back in the day we would have a set of Dirt Jumps in local woodland not near a path in a very secluded part of the woods no one would have an issue apart from Keith and Carol dressed in their finest Rab down jackets kicking down take offs and landings because it did not fit in with their own personal idea of what should be allowed in woodlands.
Maybe they just think that they are superior to you?!Most dog walkers i meet when out walking will 9 times out of ten say good morning as each others dogs say hello/play/smell.
I am also a cyclist and have ridden BMX/mtbs since i was 16 so would say i know the culture fairly well however seeing as cycling has had a huge up swing in popularity and the introduction of ebikes there seems to be more people around that fit the phrase 'all the gear no idea'.
Going back to Ramblers back in the day we would have a set of Dirt Jumps in local woodland not near a path in a very secluded part of the woods no one would have an issue apart from Keith and Carol dressed in their finest Rab down jackets kicking down take offs and landings because it did not fit in with their own personal idea of what should be allowed in woodlands.
wastedyouth86 said:
popeyewhite said:
Don't have to be rambler to decry idiots destroying the forest. 
Haha destroying the forest.. you have no clue im afraidwastedyouth86 said:
.. we would have a set of Dirt Jumps in local woodland not near a path in a very secluded part of the woods no one would have an issue apart from Keith and Carol dressed in their finest Rab down jackets kicking down take offs and landings because it did not fit in with their own personal idea of what should be allowed in woodlands.
popeyewhite said:
We are never going to agree as i have a cockapoo which of course you think is a mongrel.
When I was a kid we built a small bmx style track ( max height of ramps was probably 18") on some unused ground near the path across the fields to school. It was there for years for other kids to enjoy after we grew up.
One summer we also - just for something to do - dug a hole to sit in as a den.
Come the end of summer and it was about the size of a hot tub. Some miserable old git decided it was dangerous, despite being clearly visible from all directions - and told us to fill it in.
We did this with all the leaves that had started to fall and then a couple of weeks later guess who we saw with a pot on his leg?
my mate who had fallen off his bike on the Bmx track. Sorry this wasn't the answer you were looking for.
One summer we also - just for something to do - dug a hole to sit in as a den.
Come the end of summer and it was about the size of a hot tub. Some miserable old git decided it was dangerous, despite being clearly visible from all directions - and told us to fill it in.
We did this with all the leaves that had started to fall and then a couple of weeks later guess who we saw with a pot on his leg?
my mate who had fallen off his bike on the Bmx track. Sorry this wasn't the answer you were looking for.
talksthetorque said:
When I was a kid we built a small bmx style track ( max height of ramps was probably 18") on some unused ground near the path across the fields to school. It was there for years for other kids to enjoy after we grew up.
One summer we also - just for something to do - dug a hole to sit in as a den.
Come the end of summer and it was about the size of a hot tub. Some miserable old git decided it was dangerous, despite being clearly visible from all directions - and told us to fill it in.
We did this with all the leaves that had started to fall and then a couple of weeks later guess who we saw with a pot on his leg?
my mate who had fallen off his bike on the Bmx track. Sorry this wasn't the answer you were looking for.
Its early so im not getting it - are you saying he fell into his own hole and broke his leg? whats a pot?One summer we also - just for something to do - dug a hole to sit in as a den.
Come the end of summer and it was about the size of a hot tub. Some miserable old git decided it was dangerous, despite being clearly visible from all directions - and told us to fill it in.
We did this with all the leaves that had started to fall and then a couple of weeks later guess who we saw with a pot on his leg?
my mate who had fallen off his bike on the Bmx track. Sorry this wasn't the answer you were looking for.
Or is it like around my way where we get traps set on the trails such as nails/drawing pins, logs across the track on blind bends, and worse of all as happened last year a barb wire between two trees at neck height.
bmwmike said:
talksthetorque said:
When I was a kid we built a small bmx style track ( max height of ramps was probably 18") on some unused ground near the path across the fields to school. It was there for years for other kids to enjoy after we grew up.
One summer we also - just for something to do - dug a hole to sit in as a den.
Come the end of summer and it was about the size of a hot tub. Some miserable old git decided it was dangerous, despite being clearly visible from all directions - and told us to fill it in.
We did this with all the leaves that had started to fall and then a couple of weeks later guess who we saw with a pot on his leg?
my mate who had fallen off his bike on the Bmx track. Sorry this wasn't the answer you were looking for.
Its early so im not getting it - are you saying he fell into his own hole and broke his leg? whats a pot?One summer we also - just for something to do - dug a hole to sit in as a den.
Come the end of summer and it was about the size of a hot tub. Some miserable old git decided it was dangerous, despite being clearly visible from all directions - and told us to fill it in.
We did this with all the leaves that had started to fall and then a couple of weeks later guess who we saw with a pot on his leg?
my mate who had fallen off his bike on the Bmx track. Sorry this wasn't the answer you were looking for.
Or is it like around my way where we get traps set on the trails such as nails/drawing pins, logs across the track on blind bends, and worse of all as happened last year a barb wire between two trees at neck height.
bmwmike said:
Or is it like around my way where we get traps set on the trails such as nails/drawing pins, logs across the track on blind bends, and worse of all as happened last year a barb wire between two trees at neck height.
And this [above] is the other side of the coin: when mb tracks are illegally set up you get people feeling justified in sabotaging them. From entitled dog owners to entitled mountain bike riders
I've dragged the discussion off topic, apologies.
popeyewhite said:
bmwmike said:
Or is it like around my way where we get traps set on the trails such as nails/drawing pins, logs across the track on blind bends, and worse of all as happened last year a barb wire between two trees at neck height.
And this [above] is the other side of the coin: when mb tracks are illegally set up you get people feeling justified in sabotaging them. From entitled dog owners to entitled mountain bike riders
I've dragged the discussion off topic, apologies.
One of THE worst examples was when I was out riding with an army Warrant Officer who also happened to be the membership secretary for the Army Cycling Union. It was a recce for a new course in the Army XC MTB Championship, to be held later that month. The dog walker in question was outraged to have been "close passed" deep in the woods by "scumbags". We were warned that it was "private property" and that we "shouldn't be cycling there". Bear in mind that it's a clearly marked MOD training area, and that every member of the riding group was either a serving, or former member of the British Army. I had it myself when I was "in". I'd go out MTBing on a Wednesday afternoon, or evenings/weekends, and get "told off" by feckwits walking in the woods. My stock answer when told I'd be "reported to the authorities" was to give them my name and service number and tell them to take it up with my CO. Who had, at that time, set his sights on grabbing a couple of medals and trophies for the Regiment at the upcoming RE Games MTB competition. And whose blessing the team had to train, as required, on this local training area.
popeyewhite said:
bmwmike said:
Or is it like around my way where we get traps set on the trails such as nails/drawing pins, logs across the track on blind bends, and worse of all as happened last year a barb wire between two trees at neck height.
And this [above] is the other side of the coin: when mb tracks are illegally set up you get people feeling justified in sabotaging them. From entitled dog owners to entitled mountain bike riders
I've dragged the discussion off topic, apologies.
ETA also i'm not sure why you'd make the assumption that the tracks are illegal.
Edited by bmwmike on Thursday 25th March 11:25
bmwmike said:
Sounds like you are justifying attacks on mountain bikers.
Doesn't read like that at all. 
bmwmike said:
There is no justification for those attacks. There is nothing particularly entitled about the mountain bikers either, just doing what they do, usually out of sight and interference from other people.
If environmental alterations (!) are done illegally then "just doing what they do" is lawbreaking, and also entitlement. By definition. If mountain bikers and dog walkers both behaved and struck to areas they were supposed to be using there would be no friction between the two. I'm not apportioning blame either way.
bad company said:
Ntv said:
IMO in the U.K. we have this totally wrong
In public dogs should have to be on leads by law unless in designated areas, which should not be “all parks except the kids’ playground” , but instead should be fenced off secure exercise areas
Many/most dogs need to be off lead to properly exercise.In public dogs should have to be on leads by law unless in designated areas, which should not be “all parks except the kids’ playground” , but instead should be fenced off secure exercise areas
popeyewhite said:
If environmental alterations (!) are done illegally then "just doing what they do" is lawbreaking, and also entitlement. By definition.
If mountain bikers and dog walkers both behaved and struck to areas they were supposed to be using there would be no friction between the two. I'm not apportioning blame either way.
In my area at least there is no friction between mtbers and dog walkers but there is friction from Ramblers who think they own the countryside. If mountain bikers and dog walkers both behaved and struck to areas they were supposed to be using there would be no friction between the two. I'm not apportioning blame either way.
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