Price of puppies
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BlackWidow13 said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Don't think anyone has said a KC breed is better than a crossbreed.
Obvious troll is obvious. Tyre Smoke said:
Just stop trying to make them something they aren't. Which is a pedigree dog, with the associated price premium. I'd expect and have paid a premium for a good bloodline Springer. I wouldn't expect to pay thousands for a quick liaison down the park between my Golden Retriever and next door's poodle.
Tyre Smoke said:
That's not saying it's better. That is saying I wouldn't pay a premium for a non pedigree dog. Not the same at all.
But then being singled out for unfounded abuse because you can't understand what I'm saying is par for the course for this thread.
But then being singled out for unfounded abuse because you can't understand what I'm saying is par for the course for this thread.
Ok, i’ll leave you to this thread.
Tyre Smoke said:
That's not saying it's better. That is saying I wouldn't pay a premium for a non pedigree dog. Not the same at all.
But then being singled out for unfounded abuse because you can't understand what I'm saying is par for the course for this thread.
We got that someone called you racist and have had a few harsh words to say. You don't need to remind everyone in every post. It's doesn't make your point of view stronger repeating it every post. But then being singled out for unfounded abuse because you can't understand what I'm saying is par for the course for this thread.
We have heard your views about mongrels. It's time to move the thread on.
Just for the hard of comprehension...
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a crossbreed dog. They make great pets. I wouldn't pay the asking prices currently for a non pedigree dog.
Pedigree dogs are always going to be at a premium rightly or wrongly for the bloodlines and heritage. Something that cannot be proven with a crossbreed.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a crossbreed dog. They make great pets. I wouldn't pay the asking prices currently for a non pedigree dog.
Pedigree dogs are always going to be at a premium rightly or wrongly for the bloodlines and heritage. Something that cannot be proven with a crossbreed.
Tyre Smoke said:
Just for the hard of comprehension...
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a crossbreed dog. They make great pets. I wouldn't pay the asking prices currently for a non pedigree dog.
Pedigree dogs are always going to be at a premium rightly or wrongly for the bloodlines and heritage. Something that cannot be proven with a crossbreed.
Tyre Smoke, meet the law of supply and demand. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a crossbreed dog. They make great pets. I wouldn't pay the asking prices currently for a non pedigree dog.
Pedigree dogs are always going to be at a premium rightly or wrongly for the bloodlines and heritage. Something that cannot be proven with a crossbreed.
Law of supply and demand, meet Tyre Smoke.
Tyre Smoke, meet Buyers who don’t share your opinion of what a dog is worth.
Buyers, meet Tyre Smoke. He thinks your opinions mean you’re “insane”.
Tyre Smoke said:
If you cannot accept a differing opinion to your own, then I suggest it is you that has the character failings, not me.
Hard of comprehension indeed. Or: obvious troll is obvious. Superleg48 said:
It seems if you create a “designer” branded dog like we are seeing, it becomes a fashion accessory or some kind of social status thing, like having a flash car to outdo or keep up with the Jones’s kind of thing. This in my opinion is all so very wrong.
Yep.... and the number 1 designer dog is a French bulldog.... a pedigree breed thats been abused by breeding for specific physical traits that really are cruel for the dog.Doodles are not designer breeds! You don't buy one to look cool walking down the street...
It is true that they are advertised as hypo-allergenic etc and that is all bulls
t. In saying that 3 of our 4. Don't shed. If anyone ever brings that up we tell them the truth.Anyway, market forces define the price, not the kc or tyre smoke....
I think that the point that Tyre Smoke is trying to make here, is that prices for dogs have gone through the roof and it does seem that the new breeds (cross breeds) are oh so fashionable these days and are indeed creating the demand and therefore driving up prices, which flies in the face of the fact that KC pedigrees always used to command the premiums where they do not now necessarily, because of the heritage, bloodlines and purpose pedigrees existed for historically, which are far more sensible reasons for premium prices than satisfying the latest trend.
The question is why is there such a demand for these dogs that have only really come about as intentional breeding programmes in relatively recent times?
In my opinion it is largely down to the vanity of us humans and our habit of jumping on these trends causing them to snowball.
For what other reason would a Labradoodle or similar exist?
That they do, is of course, not the fault of the dogs. It also does not mean that I think any one breed is better than another. It is their welfare that I express my concerns about long term and also the darker side of “breeders” that has inevitably emerged to meet the demand as people seek to make money out this current fad. Be interesting to see what the next big must have mix will be, although the inevitably of that saddens me somewhat because of what it represents.
The question is why is there such a demand for these dogs that have only really come about as intentional breeding programmes in relatively recent times?
In my opinion it is largely down to the vanity of us humans and our habit of jumping on these trends causing them to snowball.
For what other reason would a Labradoodle or similar exist?
That they do, is of course, not the fault of the dogs. It also does not mean that I think any one breed is better than another. It is their welfare that I express my concerns about long term and also the darker side of “breeders” that has inevitably emerged to meet the demand as people seek to make money out this current fad. Be interesting to see what the next big must have mix will be, although the inevitably of that saddens me somewhat because of what it represents.
super7 said:
Yep.... and the number 1 designer dog is a French bulldog.... a pedigree breed thats been abused by breeding for specific physical traits that really are cruel for the dog.
I've never understood the attraction of choosing a dog with health problems deliberately bred into them.Superleg48 said:
The question is why is there such a demand for these dogs that have only really come about as intentional breeding programmes in relatively recent times?
In my opinion it is largely down to the vanity of us humans and our habit of jumping on these trends causing them to snowball.
For what other reason would a Labradoodle or similar exist?
Because they tick a lot of boxes that people want a dog these days. They don’t tend to shed (although not guarateed) they’re a nice size, they’re intelligent, they are loyal and they look good. In my opinion it is largely down to the vanity of us humans and our habit of jumping on these trends causing them to snowball.
For what other reason would a Labradoodle or similar exist?
super7 said:
Yep.... and the number 1 designer dog is a French bulldog.... a pedigree breed thats been abused by breeding for specific physical traits that really are cruel for the dog.
Doodles are not designer breeds! You don't buy one to look cool walking down the street...
It is true that they are advertised as hypo-allergenic etc and that is all bullst. In saying that 3 of our 4. Don't shed. If anyone ever brings that up we tell them the truth.
Anyway, market forces define the price, not the kc or tyre smoke....
Of course, there have been some “oddities” within pedigree lines in the past, but it seems to me that nothing compares to where we find ourselves now. Doodles are not designer breeds! You don't buy one to look cool walking down the street...
It is true that they are advertised as hypo-allergenic etc and that is all bulls
t. In saying that 3 of our 4. Don't shed. If anyone ever brings that up we tell them the truth.Anyway, market forces define the price, not the kc or tyre smoke....
Doodles are “designer” in the fact that they have been created to fuel the ever growing fads of us Humans to have the next cute thing. I cannot think of practical reason why Doodles were created. Happy to be informed though if someone can tell me.
To even think that people are promoting such dogs as “hypoallergenic” etc really just reinforces my view that they are created and marketed for no other reason than to become the next big thing. What next? A dog that allegedly helps reduce your carbon footprint somehow?
Market forces or to put it another way, our own desires to design our dog to suits our wants, means unscrupulous suppliers meeting that need and general welfare of dogs becomes compromised as a result. Both in the breeding and afterwards when all these new dog owners hit the reality brick wall once things settle down again and something gives. I hope truly I am wrong on that one.
super7 said:
Because they tick a lot of boxes that people want a dog these days. They don’t tend to shed (although not guarateed) they’re a nice size, they’re intelligent, they are loyal and they look good.
All dogs shed even if ever so lightly. Humans shed.All of the other reasons you have listed underpin my argument. Vanity - especially the “look good” reason. How much more vanity can there be?
Lots of dogs were a nice size, intelligent and looked good before this new trend evolved and still are, as they have not gone away suddenly.
As for loyalty, all dogs properly looked after are loyal. That is why they are our “best friend” as the saying goes.
I have no opinion on the current prices other than I fully understand market forces. I also think anyone who pays thousands for a mongrel is insane. My opinion is apparently worthless because I don't subscribe to these people trying to defend the position that their mongrel is worth so much.
If people are going to pay that much, I seriously hope they are good homes and not just pandering to the latest trend.
Why are they called 'designer breeds' and 'hybrid' dogs if they are not trying to be something they aren't?
If people are going to pay that much, I seriously hope they are good homes and not just pandering to the latest trend.
Why are they called 'designer breeds' and 'hybrid' dogs if they are not trying to be something they aren't?
Our neighbours have just imported a Bernadoodle from New Jersey.
It’s a lovely pup but the purchase price, Travel to the US airport, flight to Germany, plus the chaperone, plus they got hit for customs fees on it (€1k?), I think they were looking at just shy of €10k by the time everything was paid for.
It’s a lovely pup but the purchase price, Travel to the US airport, flight to Germany, plus the chaperone, plus they got hit for customs fees on it (€1k?), I think they were looking at just shy of €10k by the time everything was paid for.
The problem is not necessarily the existence of these 'designer crossbreeds' per se - and yes, they are crossbreeds/mongrels, no matter what anyone claims. Giving them made up names just allows breeders to charge a premium for them.
Some breeders may be reputable, I wouldn't know, I've never acquired a dog from a breeder. The problem is that the 'demand' for these dogs encourages unscrupulous breeders - backyard breeders or puppy farms. I'm not convinced that either really care about the health or welfare of their dogs. The number of 'home' or backyard breeders has blossomed during the COVID-19 pandemic, with people happy to exploit their darling pets to make a bit of money.
And as for puppy farms - well I've got one of their 'rejects'. Ironically, a cocker spaniel, who I am absolutely positive would have been used to produce cockerpoos. The rescue we adopted her from is well known for taking on ex-puppy farm dogs, and had rescued many, many female cockers of various ages but they were almost all the same red colouring.
Anyone who is naive about where a lot of these puppies comes from should research puppy farms and the harm they do to their breeding dogs. Rosie was one of the lucky ones, but she still had (and continues to have) various issues, which have been caused by nothing but people's greed in breeding these puppies and people's desire for puppies without doing the proper research.
Some breeders may be reputable, I wouldn't know, I've never acquired a dog from a breeder. The problem is that the 'demand' for these dogs encourages unscrupulous breeders - backyard breeders or puppy farms. I'm not convinced that either really care about the health or welfare of their dogs. The number of 'home' or backyard breeders has blossomed during the COVID-19 pandemic, with people happy to exploit their darling pets to make a bit of money.
And as for puppy farms - well I've got one of their 'rejects'. Ironically, a cocker spaniel, who I am absolutely positive would have been used to produce cockerpoos. The rescue we adopted her from is well known for taking on ex-puppy farm dogs, and had rescued many, many female cockers of various ages but they were almost all the same red colouring.
Anyone who is naive about where a lot of these puppies comes from should research puppy farms and the harm they do to their breeding dogs. Rosie was one of the lucky ones, but she still had (and continues to have) various issues, which have been caused by nothing but people's greed in breeding these puppies and people's desire for puppies without doing the proper research.
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