Buying a Labrador these days

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ChocolateFrog

25,501 posts

174 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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My sister has a pregnant fox red lab at the moment. The stud came from a very well known gun dog breeder so she's potentially got £30k+ of dogs in the house, they would all sell in minutes at £2k a pop.

As it happens she's giving most, if not all depending on how many she has, away to friends and family as she wants to keep them local and know how they're doing as they grow up.

She is however very worried about being burgled and the pups stolen if word gets out or she has to advertise them.

Jambo85

3,319 posts

89 months

Sunday 3rd October 2021
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Update for updates sake, she’s a cracker!

Still quite neat in size at 5 months which is good as I always prefer a smaller Labrador.

Took her to the big classic car show and it was a waste of time, couldn’t get walked more than a few yards without someone wanting to pet her.

Beautiful dog, I love the way they sit sometimes with one leg looking half dislocated! The socialisation at the car show will have done her no harm - we deliberately did such things when ours was young.

Byker28i

60,162 posts

218 months

Monday 4th October 2021
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Starting to look again, our chocolate lab is almost 13 and figure now would be the time to get another before she's tool old to be jumped over biggrin

She's a lot greyer now...



Is the advice to stay away from the classifieds, newsnow, etc. It looks like lots have jumped on the lockdown price bandwagon of easy money. I guess the puppy appeal is strong once a potential buyer is there, but I wouldn't mind an older dog, preferably a girl

LaurasOtherHalf

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21,429 posts

197 months

Monday 4th October 2021
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In my opinion, the twerps paying thousands are the same twerps who’d pay thousands for anything else easily available/in demand.

Plenty of good working stock around here for the right sort of price. For reference I paid £1200 for the one this thread is about.

Now that is an awful lot more than the £550 I paid for my last gun dog but that was 13 years ago now and stuff has gone up.

Proper dog though, I could have easily paid £800 or so for one without the pedigree but when we saw the dog, we’ll you know when it’s right don’t you?

Someone else I know paid the fox Red premium, another paid even more for a grey lab-I didn’t even know they’d been invented!

The owner of the fox Red paid over twenty g for a Rolex Daytona and the grey ones wife needed a new defender.

Horses for courses.

Byker28i

60,162 posts

218 months

Monday 4th October 2021
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People are paying fortunes now for mixes that were mongrels a few years ago biggrin

Ireland looks iffy as a source, Wales of course was full of puppy farms and seem to have gone a bit underground with puppies advertised as home animals, but then only outside...

We'll keep our eyes open. We got cadbury at 8 months old when her previous owners got her as a puppy then both went to work and realised it wasn't fair. I was hoping to get the same when lockdown was over, but seems people want the money they paid as a lockdown premium

LaurasOtherHalf

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21,429 posts

197 months

Monday 4th October 2021
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Do you not know anyone who goes shooting or farms? I'd say that's the simplest way of getting a good dog at the right price, The_Doc from here was putting me in touch with a few working dog litters but in the end I ended up seeing this one on pets4homes website.

Now that might be running the gauntlet but you could tell from the advert it was a proper lab, phoning the bloke only confirmed it.

liner33

10,696 posts

203 months

Monday 4th October 2021
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We collect our pup on Thursday.

Byker I'm happy to give you the breeders details as they are heavily involved in the gun dog scene and think they are planning on having another litter in the next few months , same sire as our dog but different dam . We are paying £1800 full KC reg dog .

They are based in Newbury

Mr Roper

13,013 posts

195 months

Tuesday 5th October 2021
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Yeah, we picked up our black lab on Sunday from a local gundog breeder. No paper work just a microchip..We had him pre-booked for his first jab and health check yesterday

Dad is a well known gun dog and this was the mothers first litter...We also know the sister and grandmother through friends in the area.

Paid £800 for an absolute cracker.






Chickens, meet Dexter……



Edited by Mr Roper on Tuesday 5th October 09:07

PushedDover

5,659 posts

54 months

Tuesday 5th October 2021
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Mr Roper said:
Yeah, we picked up our black lab on Sunday from a local gundog breeder. No paper work just a microchip..We had him pre-booked for his first jab and health check yesterday

Dad is a well known gun dog and this was the mothers first litter...We also know the sister and grandmother through friends in the area.

Paid £800 for an absolute cracker.
Lot to be said for that ^ local / knowing / trust.

Ours have been a beaut. amazing engines in them, going for hours and hours of play together or runs out.
Yet, my Boss, keen as mustard on his shooting and gundog training has hunted high and low to find the 'perfect' dog.
That now 4 months later has been diagnosed with Medial coronoid disease of left elbow (one of the types of elbow dysplasia)


Ours are more Gindogs than Gundogs biggrin





Chipped before we bought them. Paperwork is mentioned whenever I see the fella in the pub. He will "drop it round" (3 months since)

wolf1

3,081 posts

251 months

Tuesday 5th October 2021
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Our Black Lab is just short of ten months old. The girls are both 13 yrs old but it still doesn't stop them acting like pups when they are on the beach.


Byker28i

60,162 posts

218 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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liner33 said:
We collect our pup on Thursday.

Byker I'm happy to give you the breeders details as they are heavily involved in the gun dog scene and think they are planning on having another litter in the next few months , same sire as our dog but different dam . We are paying £1800 full KC reg dog .

They are based in Newbury
Cheers.
Looking for a slightly older dog than a puppy if possible, miss out that puppy stage... but maybe later if we don't find anything.
Was hoping post lockdown people would get rid of dogs when they went back to work.

liner33

10,696 posts

203 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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Byker28i said:
Cheers.
Looking for a slightly older dog than a puppy if possible, miss out that puppy stage... but maybe later if we don't find anything.
Was hoping post lockdown people would get rid of dogs when they went back to work.
Yeah we were looking for a rescue but after scanning Labrador lifeline trust and other rehoming places there didn’t seem to be any coming up

Byker28i

60,162 posts

218 months

Friday 8th October 2021
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liner33 said:
Yeah we were looking for a rescue but after scanning Labrador lifeline trust and other rehoming places there didn’t seem to be any coming up
We're finding that. Also looked at puppies and booked appointments now with two KC registered breeders, to be let down a few hours before because they've decided to keep the bh, or sold them to someone else.... Very disappointing...

oddman

2,345 posts

253 months

Friday 8th October 2021
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Working my dog (WCS 2014 £550) on a shoot (W Yorks) this week and talking about price of puppies.

Keeper has a pack of dogs and has two cocker bhes he breed from every year. Last couple of years he has been able to sell pups without KC papers for £2500 each. They're nothing special and each bh has had 9 or 10 pups a litter. Not surprisingly, he has a nicer pick up than most keepers. Another friend has bred from his ESS and had to raise prices to £2000 to put off time wasters

Lads were saying prices are coming down towards pre lock down levels. A couple have pups on order at around £1200.

Labradors always seem to be about 10%-20% more than spaniels.

I think if you can wait until spring (which is better time to be taking on a pup) you should. Suspect the rescue centres will have a few by then too

Byker28i said:
Cheers.
Looking for a slightly older dog than a puppy if possible, miss out that puppy stage... but maybe later if we don't find anything.
Was hoping post lockdown people would get rid of dogs when they went back to work.
I think this is reasonable. If you get to know people who train their dogs for field trials (may be able to get contacts through breeders or local gun dog clubs, you might find they get rid of pups (6 months to a year) that aren't going to make it in competition (described as part trained). These usually make good pets as they are well bred have good basic training but a fault eg lack of drive, gun shy, hard mouth, making a noise (even a little whine of excitement) which would make them useless for competition. Triallers often retire their competition dogs at around 2 years as they begin to get their own ideas then. These might be a bit more problematic if you are not planning to kennel them is most will never have been inside.





Edited by oddman on Friday 8th October 08:55

Byker28i

60,162 posts

218 months

Friday 8th October 2021
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All good advice cheers. Just had contact from a shooting colleague who's put me in touch with someone with pups from a working pair, they have a buyer pull out last minute so we're going to look this afternoon. 11 week old black bh

We're in Wales half the time where dogs are cheaper, but talking to people, some of those look either the puppy farm has gone 'home' when selling or there's people breeding for the first time because of the money, or we've even suspected some have been brought in from Ireland just to sell...

Edited by Byker28i on Friday 8th October 09:57

liner33

10,696 posts

203 months

Friday 8th October 2021
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Well our new puppy "Bruce" came home with us yesterday. I didnt know how much puppies can eat , bit blown away , Needless to say he is a handful and crate training cant come quick enough


Byker28i

60,162 posts

218 months

Friday 8th October 2021
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Meet Luna, 11 weeks old bh, both parents were working dogs, from breeders/trainers of gun dogs for the last 35 years...

Bighoose

44 posts

37 months

Friday 8th October 2021
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Do people think that prices will come back down again as more people go back to work or just find out that dog ownership isn't for them? Or like car prices will people looking for silly money for dogs be the norm now?

spanner10

219 posts

48 months

Friday 8th October 2021
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Some of the prices have reduced, other than the 'fashionable' breeds, but are still dear.

It seems that quite a few people have discovered that a) dogs can be hard work and b) they don't fit in with post lockdown life, just as many on here predicted.

Now it will be the rescue centre's problems with badly socialised, untrained adolescent dogs.

dtz

282 posts

277 months

Friday 8th October 2021
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Say hello to Ziggy

We recently lost our 12.5yr old brown dobermann and the house wasn't the same without a dog. We've never had a Labrador and we're hoping we didn't make a mistake by buying the most active from the choice of 3 that were left in the litter (2 fox red females and a fox red male - we took the male), However I doubt any dog can be as much hard work as the highly strung Weimaraner we had a few years ago!

I have to say prices are crazy for dogs and a lot of people seem to have jumped onto a bandwagon of breeding their family pets just for the profit and then trying to charge £1500+ for the pups.