Why do people like deformed dogs?
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Someone posted a picture of a bulldog on another thread. To my eyes it looked what it is...badly deformed. Deliberately genetically mutated through selective breeding to look very different from its wolf ancestors.
Some time back I was reading an article by a lecturer at the Royal School of Veterinary Science in London. He shows his new students an x-ray of a pug and asks for comments. Usually he gets responses that the animal must have been in a car crash or similar. He then explains that no, that is what we have done to pugs through breeding.
What I don’t understand is why people find them attractive. When humans are deformed they are often abused or laughed at (think freak shows). I don’t think many, if any, people thought the elephant man was attractive. Why do people find the canine equivalent of the elephant man appealing?
Perhaps the flat faces of such dogs make them look more human but that seems weird too.
Some time back I was reading an article by a lecturer at the Royal School of Veterinary Science in London. He shows his new students an x-ray of a pug and asks for comments. Usually he gets responses that the animal must have been in a car crash or similar. He then explains that no, that is what we have done to pugs through breeding.
What I don’t understand is why people find them attractive. When humans are deformed they are often abused or laughed at (think freak shows). I don’t think many, if any, people thought the elephant man was attractive. Why do people find the canine equivalent of the elephant man appealing?
Perhaps the flat faces of such dogs make them look more human but that seems weird too.
Esceptico said:
Someone posted a picture of a bulldog on another thread. To my eyes it looked what it is...badly deformed. Deliberately genetically mutated through selective breeding to look very different from its wolf ancestors.
Some time back I was reading an article by a lecturer at the Royal School of Veterinary Science in London. He shows his new students an x-ray of a pug and asks for comments. Usually he gets responses that the animal must have been in a car crash or similar. He then explains that no, that is what we have done to pugs through breeding.
What I don’t understand is why people find them attractive. When humans are deformed they are often abused or laughed at (think freak shows). I don’t think many, if any, people thought the elephant man was attractive. Why do people find the canine equivalent of the elephant man appealing?
Perhaps the flat faces of such dogs make them look more human but that seems weird too.
Wow, just wow!Some time back I was reading an article by a lecturer at the Royal School of Veterinary Science in London. He shows his new students an x-ray of a pug and asks for comments. Usually he gets responses that the animal must have been in a car crash or similar. He then explains that no, that is what we have done to pugs through breeding.
What I don’t understand is why people find them attractive. When humans are deformed they are often abused or laughed at (think freak shows). I don’t think many, if any, people thought the elephant man was attractive. Why do people find the canine equivalent of the elephant man appealing?
Perhaps the flat faces of such dogs make them look more human but that seems weird too.
Esceptico said:
When humans are deformed they are often abused or laughed at (think freak shows). I don’t think many, if any, people thought the elephant man was attractive.
I would have hoped that we had moved on as a society, but certain individuals appear not to have.I think it is a shame that selective breeding has resulted in health issues in certain breeds, but I would never make such a judgmental post, particularly one which specifically references someone's dog.
I have taught my dogs manners, perhaps someone should have taught you some too.
Johnnytheboy said:
Why so much dog hatred on PH all of a sudden?
That's probably my beloved dog you are referring to.
Bet your kids are an utter oil painting.
Why do you assume I hate dogs? Quite the opposite. I love dogs, which is why I don’t like those that have been bred deformed that puts them at risk of health issues. That's probably my beloved dog you are referring to.
Bet your kids are an utter oil painting.
moorx said:
I would have hoped that we had moved on as a society, but certain individuals appear not to have.
I think it is a shame that selective breeding has resulted in health issues in certain breeds, but I would never make such a judgmental post, particularly one which specifically references someone's dog.
I have taught my dogs manners, perhaps someone should have taught you some too.
Society has moved on such that people with deformities are not ill treated. I’m not aware that society has changed such that people now find such deformities attractive. Looking at adverts, film stars, models etc the human ideals about beauty don’t seem to have changed that much during my lifetime. I think it is a shame that selective breeding has resulted in health issues in certain breeds, but I would never make such a judgmental post, particularly one which specifically references someone's dog.
I have taught my dogs manners, perhaps someone should have taught you some too.
So it is okay to breed animals with health problems “because people think they look nice” but not okay to call out people for doing that “because bad manners”? Personally I think your priorities are wrong.
Esceptico said:
Someone posted a picture of a bulldog on another thread. To my eyes it looked what it is...badly deformed. Deliberately genetically mutated through selective breeding to look very different from its wolf ancestors.
Some time back I was reading an article by a lecturer at the Royal School of Veterinary Science in London. He shows his new students an x-ray of a pug and asks for comments. Usually he gets responses that the animal must have been in a car crash or similar. He then explains that no, that is what we have done to pugs through breeding.
What I don’t understand is why people find them attractive. When humans are deformed they are often abused or laughed at (think freak shows). I don’t think many, if any, people thought the elephant man was attractive. Why do people find the canine equivalent of the elephant man appealing?
Perhaps the flat faces of such dogs make them look more human but that seems weird too.
It's a good question, but given it's human psychology possibly in the wrong place!Some time back I was reading an article by a lecturer at the Royal School of Veterinary Science in London. He shows his new students an x-ray of a pug and asks for comments. Usually he gets responses that the animal must have been in a car crash or similar. He then explains that no, that is what we have done to pugs through breeding.
What I don’t understand is why people find them attractive. When humans are deformed they are often abused or laughed at (think freak shows). I don’t think many, if any, people thought the elephant man was attractive. Why do people find the canine equivalent of the elephant man appealing?
Perhaps the flat faces of such dogs make them look more human but that seems weird too.
I blame the kennel club. they allow all sorts of f
ked up inbreds in the show ring with no consideration of the dogs health. Just look at the examples out there which couldn't survive in a 'wild' world due to their inbred deformaties. Once upon a time we had dogs that could do jobs and now we have messed up lappy things that please our egos, ffs.
ked up inbreds in the show ring with no consideration of the dogs health. Just look at the examples out there which couldn't survive in a 'wild' world due to their inbred deformaties. Once upon a time we had dogs that could do jobs and now we have messed up lappy things that please our egos, ffs.Boosted LS1 said:
BobsPigeon said:
All domestic dog breeds were bred to please humans in one way or another. I wouldn't fancy a wolf as a pet.
No they weren't. They had jobs to do until in recent times we made them redundant and fashion took over. I'd love to work with a wolf.Esceptico said:
moorx said:
I would have hoped that we had moved on as a society, but certain individuals appear not to have.
I think it is a shame that selective breeding has resulted in health issues in certain breeds, but I would never make such a judgmental post, particularly one which specifically references someone's dog.
I have taught my dogs manners, perhaps someone should have taught you some too.
Society has moved on such that people with deformities are not ill treated. I’m not aware that society has changed such that people now find such deformities attractive. Looking at adverts, film stars, models etc the human ideals about beauty don’t seem to have changed that much during my lifetime. I think it is a shame that selective breeding has resulted in health issues in certain breeds, but I would never make such a judgmental post, particularly one which specifically references someone's dog.
I have taught my dogs manners, perhaps someone should have taught you some too.
So it is okay to breed animals with health problems “because people think they look nice” but not okay to call out people for doing that “because bad manners”? Personally I think your priorities are wrong.
moorx said:
Where did I say it was okay to breed animals with health problems? If that's your argument, your post is 'calling out' the wrong people. You should be 'calling out' the breeders and Kennel Club, not insulting the owners of these dogs.
? If there were no demand then they wouldn’t be bred so it is down to owners not the kennel club. The kennel club is also just a collection of people ie dog owners. I feel quite strongly about this.
I’ve got a relative with a French Bulldog. Very ‘on trend’ at the moment.
It’s downright cruel. They’re rarely able to give birth naturally. The pups are most often resigned to a lifetime of health issues (mostly respiratory; said relative paid approximately 2k for his dog to have surgery to allow it to breathe a little easier - still charges round struggling to breathe but there you go).
Same goes for Pugs - you get the odd healthy one, but some of them look to be living in perpetual torture. Struggling to breathe for its miserable life - often quite short lived too.
It’s not the poor dogs fault - it’s the narcissistic owners who perpetuate these breeds. Puppies = £££. It’s a real problem that needs to be addressed. Quite how, I’ve no idea.
I’ve got a relative with a French Bulldog. Very ‘on trend’ at the moment.
It’s downright cruel. They’re rarely able to give birth naturally. The pups are most often resigned to a lifetime of health issues (mostly respiratory; said relative paid approximately 2k for his dog to have surgery to allow it to breathe a little easier - still charges round struggling to breathe but there you go).
Same goes for Pugs - you get the odd healthy one, but some of them look to be living in perpetual torture. Struggling to breathe for its miserable life - often quite short lived too.
It’s not the poor dogs fault - it’s the narcissistic owners who perpetuate these breeds. Puppies = £££. It’s a real problem that needs to be addressed. Quite how, I’ve no idea.
Edited by Chebble on Sunday 4th April 00:05
moorx said:
Where did I say it was okay to breed animals with health problems? If that's your argument, your post is 'calling out' the wrong people. You should be 'calling out' the breeders and Kennel Club, not insulting the owners of these dogs.
The demand is the issue.....buyers are as guilty as the breeders. Amazing that you disconnect the two I wonder why?
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