Why do people like deformed dogs?

Why do people like deformed dogs?

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Chebble

1,908 posts

153 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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Wills2 said:
moorx said:
Where did I say it was okay to breed animals with health problems? If that's your argument, your post is 'calling out' the wrong people. You should be 'calling out' the breeders and Kennel Club, not insulting the owners of these dogs.
The demand is the issue.....buyers are as guilty as the breeders.

Amzing that you disconnect the two I wonder why?
A lot of people - and I’m not saying that moorx is one (they may be, but benefit of the doubt and all that) will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify their choice of breed. Cognitive Dissonance.

It’s not limited to French Bulldogs and Pugs. A lot of pedigree dogs have major hereditary issues as a result of years of inbreeding. It really needs to be regulated to save unnecessary cruelty. A lot of owners will justify it - “they seem so happy”, or “they’re well cared for”, but it’s not the point.

moorx

3,548 posts

115 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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I know I shouldn't get sucked back in, but I really had to respond to the last few posts, which insinuate I support bad breeding (or breeding of any kind).

You really couldn't be further from the truth if you tried. Look at my posting history and you'll see that despite owning 13 dogs, I have never purchased a dog from a breeder in my life. All my dogs have been from rescue centres.

None of the dogs/breeds I have owned have been of types with a history of selective breeding for looks. Of the 13 dogs I've owned, 11 have been sighthounds or sighthound crosses, the other 2 were a staffy cross and a cocker spaniel (the latter an ex-puppy farm bh).

Hope that clears it up.

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

244 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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It's largely ignorance.
If those that know the full story and still buy then it's more than that, but I don't think they do.

BobsPigeon

749 posts

40 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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Boosted LS1 said:
BobsPigeon said:
All domestic dog breeds were bred to please humans in one way or another. I wouldn't fancy a wolf as a pet.
No they weren't. They had jobs to do until in recent times we made them redundant and fashion took over. I'd love to work with a wolf.
You what? Yes they had jobs to do and hence why they were bred to have certain features. Bull dogs were bred to have short noses so they could hang on to the bulls under carriage... Yes the features have been exaggerated since bull baiting was outlawed but the essence of the breed standard was to create a functional working dog.

Munter

31,319 posts

242 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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For me the answer is simple.

Pass a law banning all but a few regulated breeders of working dogs from passing ownership of a dog for gain.

Remove the profit.

garythesign

2,113 posts

89 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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This area of Pistonheads used to be such an Oasis of calm.

Is lockdown causing people to be more grumpy, than usual

makaveli144

378 posts

140 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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No safe haven from the vitriol on Pistonheads at the minute it would seem

Sheets Tabuer

19,064 posts

216 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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Come now, there's millions of comments in the pet section from furbaby owners wishing harm to other humans.

Indeed the second comment from someone whinging here was I bet your kids are ugly.

nice.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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I would give anything for a actual block button on PH.

hotchy

4,486 posts

127 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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garythesign said:
This area of Pistonheads used to be such an Oasis of calm.

Is lockdown causing people to be more grumpy, than usual
Probably have a new pup next door barking at all hours so now sits calling them deformed. Calling a dogs life a miserable existence etc etc yet I'm sure than dogs rather happy with its existence and the owner takes good care. Maybe its an attempt to show how they don't follow fashion and there dogs a working dog... that sits at home not working.

rxe

6,700 posts

104 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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The reality is that there are a lot of stupid people out there (not saying anyone on here is stupid) who buy their dogs from an ad on Pets4Homes with zero research. The breeders do it because they get £3000 a pop, and the buyers do it because it is easy. Buying a pup from someone reputable takes a lot of effort and time - though interestingly, it is usually a lot cheaper.

IMO the Kennel Club is also a huge problem. They need to alter the breed standards for dogs so that health is put first. A snuffling Bulldog, or a Slopey Back Shepherd should get zero points in the show ring. They need to have a vet on the standards planel.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

262 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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rxe said:
The reality is that there are a lot of stupid people out there (not saying anyone on here is stupid) who buy their dogs from an ad on Pets4Homes with zero research. The breeders do it because they get £3000 a pop, and the buyers do it because it is easy. Buying a pup from someone reputable takes a lot of effort and time - though interestingly, it is usually a lot cheaper.

IMO the Kennel Club is also a huge problem. They need to alter the breed standards for dogs so that health is put first. A snuffling Bulldog, or a Slopey Back Shepherd should get zero points in the show ring. They need to have a vet on the standards planel.
This

The original intention was often to ensure particular breeds didn't die out, that's why the tradition of assessing dogs according to features specific to that breed started. The problem is that this it what lead to the features being exaggerated to the point where the dogs are caricatures of the original.

Teddy Lop

8,301 posts

68 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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A client of mine has a couple of pugs, I find the way they wheeze and snort quite icky.

Marniet

253 posts

157 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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[quote=rxe]The reality is that there are a lot of stupid people out there (not saying anyone on here is stupid) who buy their dogs from an ad on Pets4Homes with zero research. The breeders do it because they get £3000 a pop, and the buyers do it because it is easy. Buying a pup from someone reputable takes a lot of effort and time - though interestingly, it is usually a lot cheaper.

The above is exactly right . It took me over a year talking to breeders and getting to know them here and in Europe. When I finally got my pup ( Dandie Dinmont Terrier) I was amazed at how low the price was in comparison to the other breeds being advertised, especially for a rare breed. Worth the effort to find a good breeder and the wait.

Boosted LS1

21,190 posts

261 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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^ You were paying per the ounce. Lovely looking breed though and I've not seen one of those before so probably quite scarce.

Boosted LS1

21,190 posts

261 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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BobsPigeon said:
Boosted LS1 said:
BobsPigeon said:
All domestic dog breeds were bred to please humans in one way or another. I wouldn't fancy a wolf as a pet.
No they weren't. They had jobs to do until in recent times we made them redundant and fashion took over. I'd love to work with a wolf.
You what? Yes they had jobs to do and hence why they were bred to have certain features. Bull dogs were bred to have short noses so they could hang on to the bulls under carriage... Yes the features have been exaggerated since bull baiting was outlawed but the essence of the breed standard was to create a functional working dog.
So pretty fked up nowadays.

Esceptico

Original Poster:

7,554 posts

110 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Teddy Lop said:
A client of mine has a couple of pugs, I find the way they wheeze and snort quite icky.
Neighbours asked us to walk their puppy yesterday. At the park there was a pug running around. You could hear it’s laboured breathing - like someone having an asthma attack. Made me feel sorry for it.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

262 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Boosted LS1 said:
BobsPigeon said:
Boosted LS1 said:
BobsPigeon said:
All domestic dog breeds were bred to please humans in one way or another. I wouldn't fancy a wolf as a pet.
No they weren't. They had jobs to do until in recent times we made them redundant and fashion took over. I'd love to work with a wolf.
You what? Yes they had jobs to do and hence why they were bred to have certain features. Bull dogs were bred to have short noses so they could hang on to the bulls under carriage... Yes the features have been exaggerated since bull baiting was outlawed but the essence of the breed standard was to create a functional working dog.
So pretty fked up nowadays.
+1
Part of the breed standard should have been 'healthy enough to take on a bull'.

Boosted LS1

21,190 posts

261 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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^ Or be healthy at the least.

Esceptico

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7,554 posts

110 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Boosted LS1 said:
^ Or be healthy at the least.


Apparently this is what they used to look like in the 18th century. Rather different. Much better looking in my eyes but then the temperament was probably unsuitable for them to be pets.