Sharm - would you?
Discussion
Leptons said:
Jesus wept. On that basis f
k going to Blackpool, Skegness, Whitby in fact barricade yourself inside and don't leave until it's safe.
Just back from a week in Bodrum. I'd go back again tomorrow.
With the exception of Northern Cyprus, it's a Christian country.
Got a week booked in Bodrum during the October half term.k going to Blackpool, Skegness, Whitby in fact barricade yourself inside and don't leave until it's safe.Just back from a week in Bodrum. I'd go back again tomorrow.
With the exception of Northern Cyprus, it's a Christian country.
Mates are saying am I still going?
Didn't even cross my mind not to go.
el stovey said:
popeyewhite said:
I know, I hitched there (Sharm that is). I was based near Haifa on a kibbutz in the late 70s and during some down-time cadged a lift with two Norwegian girls in their minibus as far as Eilat. Various lifts from there to Sharm. Stayed on the beach and got massively stoned for a week. Did you know a number of the dive sites further south were named by hippies from those days? There's a site near Abu Soma called 'hash market' I believe (that's the translation from Arabic!).
brilliant. We're there many hotels then? How sad that it's now full of massive resorts with armed guards to stop jihadists trying to kill the visitors.
GreatGranny said:
Leptons said:
Jesus wept. On that basis fk going to Blackpool, Skegness, Whitby in fact barricade yourself inside and don't leave until it's safe.
Just back from a week in Bodrum. I'd go back again tomorrow.
With the exception of Northern Cyprus, it's a Christian country.
Got a week booked in Bodrum during the October half term.k going to Blackpool, Skegness, Whitby in fact barricade yourself inside and don't leave until it's safe.Just back from a week in Bodrum. I'd go back again tomorrow.
With the exception of Northern Cyprus, it's a Christian country.
Mates are saying am I still going?
Didn't even cross my mind not to go.
(well, fat slag secretaries from barnsley)
We have booked Sharm for next February , Security around the hotel last Feb was tight , and I would hazard a guess that it will be even tighter especially against attacks from the sea next Feb .
With regard to Russians , the hotel was noticeably quieter due to the lack of Russians this was due to the Rouble collapsing . long may it be
With regard to Russians , the hotel was noticeably quieter due to the lack of Russians this was due to the Rouble collapsing . long may it be
el stovey said:
Could you name exactly where there is "a known insurgency/terrorist threat/civil unrest" exists I looked at the foreign office website and the terrorism threat (high) in Tunisia and Egypt is the same as France or Spain. Morocco is listed as general, the same as Germany.
I don't expect you to cover the whole of Europe or Africa but how do you rate say Morocco Spain France or Italy?
Yes, somebodies been watching todays news concerning the relative threat levels of various countries. I don't expect you to cover the whole of Europe or Africa but how do you rate say Morocco Spain France or Italy?
Morocco? They've had over 1,000 fighters leave to join the jihadist cause recently whilst also being in receipt of many threats from ISIS, it is just a matter of time.
Morocco is also a part of the contiguous land mass of North Africa and has a rather porous border due to its length. It is separated from Tunisia and the ISIS training grounds and bases in Libya only by Algeria and receives over 10 million visiting tourists a year. I did not however have Morocco particularly in mind when I made my post but frankly I wouldn't take kids there at the moment even if I might go myself.
The European countries are of course susceptible to attack but these will be 'lone wolf' attacks. I would certainly be avoiding Egypt if I had kids.
To coincide with Ramadan ISIS has committed deadly attacks across 11 countries - Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Nigeria.
In short, I don't consider a holiday in Benidorm to be quite as dangerous as any of those. Well, unless you're going with a bunch of Geordies.
Blown2CV said:
Not a fking chance. I went in August about 7 years ago and you can really see why it's cheap. Checkpoints everywhere, everything half-built, no real things to see, searingly hot, full of horrible pissed Russians, nama bay manufactured town full of aggressive tat-pedlars, pissing out your arse so violently you get haemorrhoids.... And now the very real likelihood of getting murdered....
So you wouldn't recommend it then? king chance. I went in August about 7 years ago and you can really see why it's cheap. Checkpoints everywhere, everything half-built, no real things to see, searingly hot, full of horrible pissed Russians, nama bay manufactured town full of aggressive tat-pedlars, pissing out your arse so violently you get haemorrhoids.... And now the very real likelihood of getting murdered.... I'd go to Sharm without any worries at all.
Been before and enjoyed it and to be honest I'm a pretty laid back guy with this sort of thing.
ISIS attacks are so random that if they want to they'll hit wherever they like, the perpetrators don't seem concerned for their own lives so I'd say it's only a matter of time before a pretty significant act in the UK and I don't think any amount of intelligence will stop that.
Then they'll be a massive increase in visible security that'll die down fairly soon and people will get on with their lives.
When Lee Rigby was murdered that very evening London was what you might call "On lockdown" with huge numbers of visible police on the streets, I remember a couple even in a filling station and they weren't getting a kitkat.
So, yes I'd go. The biggest issue I had with Sharm were the vendors of fake goods in the old town, now they really could be unpleasant if you didn't want to deal with them. I did and got some absolute bargains.
Sharm offers cheap accommodation and incredible hot weather and if I were looking for that for a week I'd go.
Been before and enjoyed it and to be honest I'm a pretty laid back guy with this sort of thing.
ISIS attacks are so random that if they want to they'll hit wherever they like, the perpetrators don't seem concerned for their own lives so I'd say it's only a matter of time before a pretty significant act in the UK and I don't think any amount of intelligence will stop that.
Then they'll be a massive increase in visible security that'll die down fairly soon and people will get on with their lives.
When Lee Rigby was murdered that very evening London was what you might call "On lockdown" with huge numbers of visible police on the streets, I remember a couple even in a filling station and they weren't getting a kitkat.
So, yes I'd go. The biggest issue I had with Sharm were the vendors of fake goods in the old town, now they really could be unpleasant if you didn't want to deal with them. I did and got some absolute bargains.
Sharm offers cheap accommodation and incredible hot weather and if I were looking for that for a week I'd go.
Edited by Thankyou4calling on Friday 3rd July 17:54
MX51ROD said:
We have booked Sharm for next February , Security around the hotel last Feb was tight , and I would hazard a guess that it will be even tighter especially against attacks from the sea next Feb .
With regard to Russians , the hotel was noticeably quieter due to the lack of Russians this was due to the Rouble collapsing . long may it be
When you say security. Do you mean two unfit smoking blokes leaning back on chairs with the AK47s resting on the floor? This is pretty much what I've seen at the hotels and on one occasdion we went one month after a bomb went off at a hotel and that was literally 500m down the road from us. With regard to Russians , the hotel was noticeably quieter due to the lack of Russians this was due to the Rouble collapsing . long may it be
I've been to Egypt 10 times, I recon there would be overweight drunk retired met coppers on the beach who were more ready for action than some of the local armed police I see in Sharm.
Anyways. I would go tomorrow if I could.
bakerstreet said:
MX51ROD said:
We have booked Sharm for next February , Security around the hotel last Feb was tight , and I would hazard a guess that it will be even tighter especially against attacks from the sea next Feb .
With regard to Russians , the hotel was noticeably quieter due to the lack of Russians this was due to the Rouble collapsing . long may it be
When you say security. Do you mean two unfit smoking blokes leaning back on chairs with the AK47s resting on the floor? This is pretty much what I've seen at the hotels and on one occasdion we went one month after a bomb went off at a hotel and that was literally 500m down the road from us. With regard to Russians , the hotel was noticeably quieter due to the lack of Russians this was due to the Rouble collapsing . long may it be
I've been to Egypt 10 times, I recon there would be overweight drunk retired met coppers on the beach who were more ready for action than some of the local armed police I see in Sharm.
Anyways. I would go tomorrow if I could.
Patrick Bateman said:
My thinking is quite simple on this; if it's a resort that requires such security in the first place, it isn't somewhere I'd want to go.
It's a big clue isn't it? Ironically it's these sensitivities that make people hesitate putting measures like that into place sooner. Damned if you do etc.
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
"Launch in to one"? 
Go and dry your eyes Princess. If you offered me the advice that the IRA never got you so ISIS aren't worth considering as a risk, I wouldn't just roll my eyes at you, I'd tell you to your face that you're talking complete bks.
The IRA, and their opponents for that matter, have/had a clearly defined political agenda, a strict rank structure and a process of seeking approval and authority (however warped that may have been) for proposed action.
These ISIS nutters are just that....complete fking fruit-loops who do not give a flying fk.....about you, me, themselves, or anything else.
I take it an armchair expert such as yourself is aware that most of these jihadist lone wolf types are usually off their heads on something illegal when they carry out their attacks?
I'm not sure the upper echelons of the Irish parties would've tolerated quite such a liberal and freelance attitude to paramilitary operations.
Finally, if you don't want people rolling their eyes at you, don't post cobblers. There's a dear.
I'm not the one who's afraid of the big bad terrorists. You should have been in Belfast during the troubles, you'd probably have a different opinion of how it was.Go and dry your eyes Princess. If you offered me the advice that the IRA never got you so ISIS aren't worth considering as a risk, I wouldn't just roll my eyes at you, I'd tell you to your face that you're talking complete b
ks.The IRA, and their opponents for that matter, have/had a clearly defined political agenda, a strict rank structure and a process of seeking approval and authority (however warped that may have been) for proposed action.
These ISIS nutters are just that....complete f
king fruit-loops who do not give a flying fk.....about you, me, themselves, or anything else.I take it an armchair expert such as yourself is aware that most of these jihadist lone wolf types are usually off their heads on something illegal when they carry out their attacks?
I'm not sure the upper echelons of the Irish parties would've tolerated quite such a liberal and freelance attitude to paramilitary operations.
Finally, if you don't want people rolling their eyes at you, don't post cobblers. There's a dear.
Accidentally ending up on the Shankhill road on English plates was far more risky than Sharm.
So how many times have you actually been there?
You really have no idea.
So now you're comparing 1970s/80s Belfast to North Africa in 2015? Whaddya gonna do next? Regale us with tails of derring do when it was your turn behind the wheel of "The Laundry Van"?
You utter, utter clown.
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Wednesday 1st July 00:03
nice TVR by the way
DBSV8 said:
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
"Launch in to one"?
Go and dry your eyes Princess. If you offered me the advice that the IRA never got you so ISIS aren't worth considering as a risk, I wouldn't just roll my eyes at you, I'd tell you to your face that you're talking complete bks.
The IRA, and their opponents for that matter, have/had a clearly defined political agenda, a strict rank structure and a process of seeking approval and authority (however warped that may have been) for proposed action.
These ISIS nutters are just that....complete fking fruit-loops who do not give a flying fk.....about you, me, themselves, or anything else.
I take it an armchair expert such as yourself is aware that most of these jihadist lone wolf types are usually off their heads on something illegal when they carry out their attacks?
I'm not sure the upper echelons of the Irish parties would've tolerated quite such a liberal and freelance attitude to paramilitary operations.
Finally, if you don't want people rolling their eyes at you, don't post cobblers. There's a dear.
I'm not the one who's afraid of the big bad terrorists. You should have been in Belfast during the troubles, you'd probably have a different opinion of how it was.Go and dry your eyes Princess. If you offered me the advice that the IRA never got you so ISIS aren't worth considering as a risk, I wouldn't just roll my eyes at you, I'd tell you to your face that you're talking complete b
ks.The IRA, and their opponents for that matter, have/had a clearly defined political agenda, a strict rank structure and a process of seeking approval and authority (however warped that may have been) for proposed action.
These ISIS nutters are just that....complete f
king fruit-loops who do not give a flying fk.....about you, me, themselves, or anything else.I take it an armchair expert such as yourself is aware that most of these jihadist lone wolf types are usually off their heads on something illegal when they carry out their attacks?
I'm not sure the upper echelons of the Irish parties would've tolerated quite such a liberal and freelance attitude to paramilitary operations.
Finally, if you don't want people rolling their eyes at you, don't post cobblers. There's a dear.
Accidentally ending up on the Shankhill road on English plates was far more risky than Sharm.
So how many times have you actually been there?
You really have no idea.
So now you're comparing 1970s/80s Belfast to North Africa in 2015? Whaddya gonna do next? Regale us with tails of derring do when it was your turn behind the wheel of "The Laundry Van"?
You utter, utter clown.
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Wednesday 1st July 00:03
nice TVR by the way
Have I mentioned that we're already booked for next year
//j17 said:
gadgetmac said:
At this point in time I believe it is reckless in the extreme to take kids to anywhere where there is a known insurgency/terrorist threat/civil unrest.
Well the official UK terrorist threat level from MI5 is SEVERE (an attack is highly likely). That's only one step down from the highest level CRITICAL (an attack is expected imminently). So for the sake of the children don't take them to the UK!Abroad in 'at risk' countries you will be congregating with other expats, these areas will be target listed.
Security at hotels is generally 'theatre' security or reactive at best - it's not a deterrent nor preventative; nature of the beast for a public area.
There's a risk with everything of course, so you mitigate, minimise, spread or accept - me personally I would minimise by not being there in the first place if I had family in tow; if on business I wouldn't stay in the top hotels nor go to the top restaurants (where top = expats known to congregate there). It's obvious stuff & works better than having guys with guns giving you the illusion of security and trusting your 'it'll never happen to me' instinct.
Tunisia has lots more than is generally seen going on below the surface. I've monitored the situation in NA for over 15 years and knowing what I know I would not have gone to Tunisia as a tourist with family. I think the FO only peeked behind the curtain after the event and realised the situation was far worse than they originally thought + they didn't want to ruin the tourist economy by being over-cautious.
WinstonWolf said:
DBSV8 said:
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
"Launch in to one"?
Go and dry your eyes Princess. If you offered me the advice that the IRA never got you so ISIS aren't worth considering as a risk, I wouldn't just roll my eyes at you, I'd tell you to your face that you're talking complete bks.
The IRA, and their opponents for that matter, have/had a clearly defined political agenda, a strict rank structure and a process of seeking approval and authority (however warped that may have been) for proposed action.
These ISIS nutters are just that....complete fking fruit-loops who do not give a flying fk.....about you, me, themselves, or anything else.
I take it an armchair expert such as yourself is aware that most of these jihadist lone wolf types are usually off their heads on something illegal when they carry out their attacks?
I'm not sure the upper echelons of the Irish parties would've tolerated quite such a liberal and freelance attitude to paramilitary operations.
Finally, if you don't want people rolling their eyes at you, don't post cobblers. There's a dear.
I'm not the one who's afraid of the big bad terrorists. You should have been in Belfast during the troubles, you'd probably have a different opinion of how it was.Go and dry your eyes Princess. If you offered me the advice that the IRA never got you so ISIS aren't worth considering as a risk, I wouldn't just roll my eyes at you, I'd tell you to your face that you're talking complete b
ks.The IRA, and their opponents for that matter, have/had a clearly defined political agenda, a strict rank structure and a process of seeking approval and authority (however warped that may have been) for proposed action.
These ISIS nutters are just that....complete f
king fruit-loops who do not give a flying fk.....about you, me, themselves, or anything else.I take it an armchair expert such as yourself is aware that most of these jihadist lone wolf types are usually off their heads on something illegal when they carry out their attacks?
I'm not sure the upper echelons of the Irish parties would've tolerated quite such a liberal and freelance attitude to paramilitary operations.
Finally, if you don't want people rolling their eyes at you, don't post cobblers. There's a dear.
Accidentally ending up on the Shankhill road on English plates was far more risky than Sharm.
So how many times have you actually been there?
You really have no idea.
So now you're comparing 1970s/80s Belfast to North Africa in 2015? Whaddya gonna do next? Regale us with tails of derring do when it was your turn behind the wheel of "The Laundry Van"?
You utter, utter clown.
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Wednesday 1st July 00:03
nice TVR by the way
Have I mentioned that we're already booked for next year
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