Ryanair Cancellations
Discussion
El stovey said:
He really is a terrible boss and leader.
First loads of pilots leave (more than usual) because he’s such a bad employer, then he makes it sound like the remaining ones are somehow at fault for not excepting his kind offer of money for their holidays and other conditions.
They’re simply cancelling flights because they’ve not got enough pilots because more are leaving than they can replace, it’s entirely his own fault.
The only answer is of course to improve their employment conditions. It’s not going to end soon either. Ryanair management can’t expect to treat employees so badly and then expect them to bail them out when they mess up.
Things are so toxic there that pilots are happy to see the company cancel flights and damage the company. There is clearly no goodwill whatsoever.
I heard cabin staff arent paid any extra for delayed flight hours, its a case of suck it up. Cabin staff are probably easier to push around than pilots I guess.First loads of pilots leave (more than usual) because he’s such a bad employer, then he makes it sound like the remaining ones are somehow at fault for not excepting his kind offer of money for their holidays and other conditions.
They’re simply cancelling flights because they’ve not got enough pilots because more are leaving than they can replace, it’s entirely his own fault.
The only answer is of course to improve their employment conditions. It’s not going to end soon either. Ryanair management can’t expect to treat employees so badly and then expect them to bail them out when they mess up.
Things are so toxic there that pilots are happy to see the company cancel flights and damage the company. There is clearly no goodwill whatsoever.
Edited by El stovey on Thursday 21st September 13:16
The bonus cash ploy only impresses those at the top who think theyre smarter than anyone they employ, who are all to stupid to see it for what it is. Doesnt work on low down blue collar workers, suprised at the arrogance of trying it on those so much higher up.
So said:
What was unsafe about the plane, out of interest?
I posted a thread about it at the time. My seat belt would have failed an MOT. It was fitted incorrectly which caused it to be badly frayed.
I tried with great difficulty to inform them both at the time and after the flight, in the end I gave up.
threespires said:
I posted a thread about it at the time.
My seat belt would have failed an MOT. It was fitted incorrectly which caused it to be badly frayed.
I tried with great difficulty to inform them both at the time and after the flight, in the end I gave up.
I'm not sure that makes the whole 'plane "unsafe". Other than in a sudden loss of altitude, I can't think of any occasion when a lap belt will provide any significant protection for an aircraft passenger. There's a reason that cars don't have them any longer.My seat belt would have failed an MOT. It was fitted incorrectly which caused it to be badly frayed.
I tried with great difficulty to inform them both at the time and after the flight, in the end I gave up.
Doofus said:
I'm not sure that makes the whole 'plane "unsafe". Other than in a sudden loss of altitude, I can't think of any occasion when a lap belt will provide any significant protection for an aircraft passenger. There's a reason that cars don't have them any longer.
We went through all this on my original thread and I'm not going to search to find it. Suffice to say, many gave reasons as to why an unsafe seat belt is undesirable.
Well it maybe the daily wail but already some claimed that Ryanair are not meeting their commitments.
Thought so.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4897414/Ry...
Also they have refused to reroute via competitors airlines which I believe they should also do under eu law ?
https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/09/20/ryanair-u...
Thought so.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4897414/Ry...
Also they have refused to reroute via competitors airlines which I believe they should also do under eu law ?
https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/09/20/ryanair-u...
Last time I flew with Ryanair the flight crew stated that buying bus tickets to termini in Rome would be cheaper on the plane.
Imagine our feelings finding they were actually cheaper at the bus terminal.
Outright lies. While not enough for us to make a big issue out of it, it was another demonstration of RA's complete lack of respect for its customers.
I don't want them to go under, it would affect the staff more than o'leary, but it would be nice if the board gave him the boot for this fiasco, but they won't while they keep making profit.
Imagine our feelings finding they were actually cheaper at the bus terminal.
Outright lies. While not enough for us to make a big issue out of it, it was another demonstration of RA's complete lack of respect for its customers.
I don't want them to go under, it would affect the staff more than o'leary, but it would be nice if the board gave him the boot for this fiasco, but they won't while they keep making profit.
threespires said:
We went through all this on my original thread and I'm not going to search to find it.
Suffice to say, many gave reasons as to why an unsafe seat belt is undesirable.
And I wouldn't disagree. I just think that a 'safe' lap belt is almost as undesirable as an unsafe one Suffice to say, many gave reasons as to why an unsafe seat belt is undesirable.
The Spruce goose said:
i flew with Ryan air 4 times last year, this whole situation has made me think about ever using them again. I would rather pay for for a better aftercare. I think something like this might finish Ryan air
No way. They're a truly enormous operation and are are incredibly efficient. To many people they are a lifeline, providing good value flights to/from numerous airports across many parts of Europe. This is a temporary blip caused by an idiot of a boss who now needs to significantly improve the T&Cs of his staff, and avoid any similar fiasco in the future. I have no doubt that it will have little impact on Ryanair next year.Robertj21a said:
The Spruce goose said:
i flew with Ryan air 4 times last year, this whole situation has made me think about ever using them again. I would rather pay for for a better aftercare. I think something like this might finish Ryan air
No way. They're a truly enormous operation and are are incredibly efficient. To many people they are a lifeline, providing good value flights to/from numerous airports across many parts of Europe. This is a temporary blip caused by an idiot of a boss who now needs to significantly improve the T&Cs of his staff, and avoid any similar fiasco in the future. I have no doubt that it will have little impact on Ryanair next year.whoami said:
His press conference was toe curling.
Had a pop at the pilots, too.
Just what was needed to smooth things over.
Luckily for him, everyone knows that's all you'll ever get from him. He's never going to change and shareholders know he's a damn clever businessman. They're not going to kick him out.Had a pop at the pilots, too.
Just what was needed to smooth things over.
Robertj21a said:
whoami said:
His press conference was toe curling.
Had a pop at the pilots, too.
Just what was needed to smooth things over.
Luckily for him, everyone knows that's all you'll ever get from him. He's never going to change and shareholders know he's a damn clever businessman. They're not going to kick him out.Had a pop at the pilots, too.
Just what was needed to smooth things over.
He's just making things worse.
Robertj21a said:
whoami said:
His press conference was toe curling.
Had a pop at the pilots, too.
Just what was needed to smooth things over.
Luckily for him, everyone knows that's all you'll ever get from him. He's never going to change and shareholders know he's a damn clever businessman. They're not going to kick him out.Had a pop at the pilots, too.
Just what was needed to smooth things over.
Not totally impossible, look at Ratner.
El stovey said:
AndStilliRise said:
loafer123 said:
According to the news, he is going to recruit 125 pilots in the next two weeks.
Let’s see how he gets on...
Sounds like the right thing to do. Would anyone know how easy it is for a pilot to simply turn up and fly another plane, I would have thought with needs some verification.Let’s see how he gets on...
Anyone qualified on a B737 will already be in a better job.
New pilots fresh out of flying school will have to be recruited, then put through a 737 type rating (few weeks ground school and then some simulator sessions) which will take almost a month they then will have to make some more training captains to train them as some of them have no doubt left also.
These Boeing 737 courses and simulator slots will all have to be found and booked, which will also be difficult. There’s no quick fix for this situation really,
Just give the pilots better terms and conditions .
The Spruce goose said:
if i were the pilots considering how desperate RA are now, i would renegotiate terms and even go om strike foe better pay.
Alternatively, given many, if not most, pilots have rejected his £12k bonus offer, he now has a lot of money to pay in golden handshakes to new pilots. He will then have several months to come up with a new plan before they, too, f
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