Ryanair Cancellations
Discussion
Even with this 'offer' I still wouldn't be interested in flying with them, rather pay more for certainty, I wonder if the 3rd of a million possible frequent flyers with RA who were kippered up will over look the price in future?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/ryanair-selling-flig...
http://uk.businessinsider.com/ryanair-selling-flig...
speedyguy said:
Even with this 'offer' I still wouldn't be interested in flying with them, rather pay more for certainty, I wonder if the 3rd of a million possible frequent flyers with RA who were kippered up will over look the price in future?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/ryanair-selling-flig...
I assume you will be taking the ferry from now on then?http://uk.businessinsider.com/ryanair-selling-flig...
As in your requirement for a guaranteed flight surely can’t be met by the any airline. How many flights have been cancelled over the years by BA, airfrance, Lufthansa etc etc due to industrial action or poor planning (such as BAs recent IT issue / move to t5?)
The Ryanair haters/snobs seem to have reappeared out the woodwork rubbing their hands and only too happy to do a bit of blinkered pontificating.
Edited by acer12 on Tuesday 26th September 06:04
acer12 said:
I assume you will be taking the ferry from now on then?
As in your requirement for a guaranteed flight surely can’t be met by the any airline. How many flights have been cancelled over the years by BA, airfrance, Lufthansa etc etc due to industrial action or poor planning (such as BAs recent IT issue / move to t5?)
The Ryanair haters/snobs seem to have reappeared out the woodwork rubbing their hands and only too happy to do a bit of blinkered pontificating.
+ 1As in your requirement for a guaranteed flight surely can’t be met by the any airline. How many flights have been cancelled over the years by BA, airfrance, Lufthansa etc etc due to industrial action or poor planning (such as BAs recent IT issue / move to t5?)
The Ryanair haters/snobs seem to have reappeared out the woodwork rubbing their hands and only too happy to do a bit of blinkered pontificating.
Edited by acer12 on Tuesday 26th September 06:04
All the time that Ryanair fly from/to so many different airports to their competitors there will be plenty of demand for their flights. BA are but a shadow of their former self and are centred on London/South East. The other significant operator is Easyjet but they usually fly from/to different destinations to Ryanair.
acer12 said:
speedyguy said:
Even with this 'offer' I still wouldn't be interested in flying with them, rather pay more for certainty, I wonder if the 3rd of a million possible frequent flyers with RA who were kippered up will over look the price in future?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/ryanair-selling-flig...
I assume you will be taking the ferry from now on then?http://uk.businessinsider.com/ryanair-selling-flig...
As in your requirement for a guaranteed flight surely can’t be met by the any airline. How many flights have been cancelled over the years by BA, airfrance, Lufthansa etc etc due to industrial action or poor planning (such as BAs recent IT issue / move to t5?)
The Ryanair haters/snobs seem to have reappeared out the woodwork rubbing their hands and only too happy to do a bit of blinkered pontificating.
Edited by acer12 on Tuesday 26th September 06:04
Personally even if Der Liddle Oirorish Fella Hisself dropped his pants and curled one off into my hand luggage whilst I was queuing at the gate I'd still get on the plane if it was taking me from one side of Europe to the other for the price of a good evening in the pub.
It’s not snobbery though it’s that some people don’t just buy the cheapest product or service. Notice these threads don’t exist about other low budget carriers like Easyjet or Norwegian? That’s because they are much much better companies and their employees aren’t all leaving,
The reason your flights are so cheap is that the employees are treated the worst in the industry. The fact that so many of them are leaving has led to flights being cancelled.
That’s what this thread is about. The clue is in the title.
Perhaps you lot would be better starting a thread about how much you like Ryanair? Because coming on a thread about Ryanair flight cancellations and calling people telling the truth haters and snobs is really a bit odd.
The reason your flights are so cheap is that the employees are treated the worst in the industry. The fact that so many of them are leaving has led to flights being cancelled.
That’s what this thread is about. The clue is in the title.
Perhaps you lot would be better starting a thread about how much you like Ryanair? Because coming on a thread about Ryanair flight cancellations and calling people telling the truth haters and snobs is really a bit odd.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 26th September 07:28
kapiteinlangzaam said:
It is bloody annoying how many convenient routes they have though.
We are using them this weekend, Eindhoven to Manchester. No other route offered by anyone gets close to being as convenient.
The flights were well priced (about €200 all-in), but far from the €9.99 stuff that often gets banded about.
They had better not f*ck it up, otherwise its standard routing in the upper airspace for the rest of time for them.
Because you can! We are using them this weekend, Eindhoven to Manchester. No other route offered by anyone gets close to being as convenient.
The flights were well priced (about €200 all-in), but far from the €9.99 stuff that often gets banded about.
They had better not f*ck it up, otherwise its standard routing in the upper airspace for the rest of time for them.
My folks flew to Malta with RA at the weekend, but it probably cost them a ton of to find out if their flights were going ahead!
I've not flown with RA for years, and I will try my best to avoid doing so for as loooooong as possible.
El stovey said:
It’s not snobbery though it’s that some people don’t just buy the cheapest product or service.
The reason your flights are so cheap is that the employees are treated the worst in the industry. The fact that so many of them are leaving has led to flights being cancelled.
That’s what this thread is about. The clue is in the title.
Perhaps you lot would be better starting a thread about how much you like Ryanair? Because coming on a thread about Ryanair flight cancellations and calling people telling the truth haters and snobs is really a bit odd.
So let me try understand this, you are saying that this thread is solely a Ryanair bashing thread (as I see very very little talk about the cancellations at this stage) and anyone who wants to possibly counter the bashing and maybe have a reasonable debate on the merits of Ryanair's model should sling their hook to their own thread? You are only too happy to keep dropping in the alleged treatment of their staff.The reason your flights are so cheap is that the employees are treated the worst in the industry. The fact that so many of them are leaving has led to flights being cancelled.
That’s what this thread is about. The clue is in the title.
Perhaps you lot would be better starting a thread about how much you like Ryanair? Because coming on a thread about Ryanair flight cancellations and calling people telling the truth haters and snobs is really a bit odd.
Im no Ryanair fanboy, just appreciate what they have done for the 100+ million annual passengers (both pleasure and business - yes they have served the business community in a very positive manner opening up new markets and cutting down on the need to use hub airports to get to your destination / those long journies to airports which have a flight to where you want to go). Its clear they made a serious mess of their vacation planning / possible expanded too fast in recent years and the manner in which they tried to address it was arrogant and disgraceful and heads need to roll. I just find it hilarious that anytime there is an issue with Ryanair that so many posters appear to bash them and claim that they are too good to fly them and essentially that no other airline would not let them down or treat them as Ryanair have (This is the main point I addressed)..
Why not address the point I raised that plenty of other airlines have treated passengers in similar contempt, lets look at facts (or at least how I understand them), in Ryanairs case about 5% of their Sep and Oct flights (I estimate about half a % of their annual flights) are being cancelled, what % were cancelled when BA made an unholy mess of their IT system (to me it seems both have the same root causes - management incompetence), was it 100% for two full days leaving passengers stranded in different corners of the globe unable to connect to BA service centre unless on hold for hours because this too has been cut to the bone and outsourced to the far east? What % of Lufthansa's flights were cancelled during their numerous strikes over the last 36 months, would this also be 100%?
Ryanair have 4200 pilots, thats a massive amount of pilots to try manage and keep backed up, we have come full circle, pilots are once again in short supply so its naturally going to hurt the biggest player the most . Yes I am aware that its part of managements job to ensure this is adequately managed and as Ive said they need to be held accountable. From the industry stats Ive seen the pilots are worked hard but paid decent wages (starting salary £70k up to £160k from yesterday paper). Also consider that most young people become pilots to fulfil a dream of flying large jets and see new exotic cities, not fly 4 daily return segments out of luton airport barely getting out of the cockpit during this time. Of course its natural that that they try and progress their career which at Ryanair is restricted to flying 737s.
BTW, I dont see any threads being raised about the working conditions of Emirates ground staff / back office. Plenty of people on here are happy to fly Emirates and ignore these issues or even give a second though to how they have been able to build their business model. Same applies to BA and their call centres.
El stovey said:
It’s not snobbery though it’s that some people don’t just buy the cheapest product or service. Notice these threads don’t exist about other low budget carriers like Easyjet or Norwegian? That’s because they are much much better companies and their employees aren’t all leaving,
The reason your flights are so cheap is that the employees are treated the worst in the industry. The fact that so many of them are leaving has led to flights being cancelled.
That’s what this thread is about. The clue is in the title.
Perhaps you lot would be better starting a thread about how much you like Ryanair? Because coming on a thread about Ryanair flight cancellations and calling people telling the truth haters and snobs is really a bit odd.
There you are then. The reason your flights are so cheap is that the employees are treated the worst in the industry. The fact that so many of them are leaving has led to flights being cancelled.
That’s what this thread is about. The clue is in the title.
Perhaps you lot would be better starting a thread about how much you like Ryanair? Because coming on a thread about Ryanair flight cancellations and calling people telling the truth haters and snobs is really a bit odd.
Edited by El stovey on Tuesday 26th September 07:28
You've hit you own nail squarely on it's head.If you do choose the cheapest and/or most convenient option on offer from a company that cheerfully and blatantly doesn't give a toss about it's employees or customers or has a 101 cunning and rapacious methods of screwing more money out of those with reading difficulties or who are incapable of following simple instructions then really you've only got one person to blame if it occasionally goes tits up.
I love the pile it high and flog it cheap honesty of Ryanair. You know exactly what it is and you know exactly what you get. Complaining about crap service when you're not paying for anything better is simply revealing a awful lot about the person doing the complaining IMO.
Interesting to note a lengthy piece about Ryanair woes in the Business section of The Times -
'It is the market leader for a reason. It is best in class' ........ 'Ryanair will be rocked by turbulence, as will the whole over-supplied sector. But it is the airline most likely to come out on top'.
'It is the market leader for a reason. It is best in class' ........ 'Ryanair will be rocked by turbulence, as will the whole over-supplied sector. But it is the airline most likely to come out on top'.
This popped up on my FB feed...
"Spare a thought for Michael O’Leary, Chief Executive of 'Ryanair'.......
Arriving in a hotel in Dublin, he went to the bar and asked for a pint of draught Guinness. The barman nodded and said, "That will be one Euro please, Mr. O’Leary."
Somewhat taken aback, O'Leary replied, "That's very cheap," and handed over his money.
"Well, we try to stay ahead of the competition", said the barman. "And we are serving free pints every Wednesday evening from 6 until 8. We have the cheapest beer in Ireland"
"That is remarkable value" Michael comments
"I see you don't seem to have a glass, so you'll probably need one of ours. That will be 3 euro please."
O'Leary scowled, but paid up. He took his drink and walked towards a seat.
"Ah, you want to sit down?" said the barman. "That'll be an extra 2 euro. -
You could have pre-book the seat, and it would have only cost you a Euro."
"I think you may to be too big for the seat sir, can I ask you to sit in this frame please"
Michael attempts to sit down but the frame is too small and when he can't squeeze in
he complains "Nobody would fit in that little frame".
"I'm afraid if you can't fit in the frame you'll have to pay an extra surcharge of €4.00 for your seat sir"
O'Leary swore to himself, but paid up. "I see that you have brought your laptop with you" added the barman. "And since that wasn't pre-booked either, that will be another 3 euro."
O'Leary was so annoyed that he walked back to the bar, slammed his drink on the counter, and yelled, "This is ridiculous, I want to speak to the manager".
"Ah, I see you want to use the counter," says the barman, "that will be 2 euro please."
O'Leary's face was red with rage.
"Do you know who I am?"
"Of course I do Mr. O'Leary,"
"I've had enough, What sort of Hotel is this? I come in for a quiet drink and you treat me like this. I insist on speaking to a manager!"
"Here is his E mail address, or if you wish, you can contact him between 9 and 9.10 every morning, Monday to Tuesday at this free phone number. Calls are free, until they are answered, then there is a talking charge of only 10 cent per second"
"I will never use this bar again"
"OK sir, but remember, we are the only hotel in Ireland selling pints for one Euro".
"Spare a thought for Michael O’Leary, Chief Executive of 'Ryanair'.......
Arriving in a hotel in Dublin, he went to the bar and asked for a pint of draught Guinness. The barman nodded and said, "That will be one Euro please, Mr. O’Leary."
Somewhat taken aback, O'Leary replied, "That's very cheap," and handed over his money.
"Well, we try to stay ahead of the competition", said the barman. "And we are serving free pints every Wednesday evening from 6 until 8. We have the cheapest beer in Ireland"
"That is remarkable value" Michael comments
"I see you don't seem to have a glass, so you'll probably need one of ours. That will be 3 euro please."
O'Leary scowled, but paid up. He took his drink and walked towards a seat.
"Ah, you want to sit down?" said the barman. "That'll be an extra 2 euro. -
You could have pre-book the seat, and it would have only cost you a Euro."
"I think you may to be too big for the seat sir, can I ask you to sit in this frame please"
Michael attempts to sit down but the frame is too small and when he can't squeeze in
he complains "Nobody would fit in that little frame".
"I'm afraid if you can't fit in the frame you'll have to pay an extra surcharge of €4.00 for your seat sir"
O'Leary swore to himself, but paid up. "I see that you have brought your laptop with you" added the barman. "And since that wasn't pre-booked either, that will be another 3 euro."
O'Leary was so annoyed that he walked back to the bar, slammed his drink on the counter, and yelled, "This is ridiculous, I want to speak to the manager".
"Ah, I see you want to use the counter," says the barman, "that will be 2 euro please."
O'Leary's face was red with rage.
"Do you know who I am?"
"Of course I do Mr. O'Leary,"
"I've had enough, What sort of Hotel is this? I come in for a quiet drink and you treat me like this. I insist on speaking to a manager!"
"Here is his E mail address, or if you wish, you can contact him between 9 and 9.10 every morning, Monday to Tuesday at this free phone number. Calls are free, until they are answered, then there is a talking charge of only 10 cent per second"
"I will never use this bar again"
"OK sir, but remember, we are the only hotel in Ireland selling pints for one Euro".
El stovey said:
It’s not snobbery though it’s that some people don’t just buy the cheapest product or service. Notice these threads don’t exist about other low budget carriers like Easyjet or Norwegian? That’s because they are much much better companies and their employees aren’t all leaving,
The reason your flights are so cheap is that the employees are treated the worst in the industry. The fact that so many of them are leaving has led to flights being cancelled.
That’s what this thread is about. The clue is in the title.
Perhaps you lot would be better starting a thread about how much you like Ryanair? Because coming on a thread about Ryanair flight cancellations and calling people telling the truth haters and snobs is really a bit odd.
To be honest, the flights aren't 'cheap' just because of staff pay and conditions, the fares are good value because they are a very large organisation that still manages to remain highly efficient. The reason your flights are so cheap is that the employees are treated the worst in the industry. The fact that so many of them are leaving has led to flights being cancelled.
That’s what this thread is about. The clue is in the title.
Perhaps you lot would be better starting a thread about how much you like Ryanair? Because coming on a thread about Ryanair flight cancellations and calling people telling the truth haters and snobs is really a bit odd.
Edited by El stovey on Tuesday 26th September 07:28
Perhaps the big players like BA would like to try to compete - departing from airports in the bulk of the UK that isn't London/South East.
Saleen836 said:
This popped up on my FB feed...
"Spare a thought for Michael O’Leary, Chief Executive of 'Ryanair'.......
Arriving in a hotel in Dublin, he went to the bar and asked for a pint of draught Guinness. The barman nodded and said, "That will be one Euro please, Mr. O’Leary."
Somewhat taken aback, O'Leary replied, "That's very cheap," and handed over his money.
"Well, we try to stay ahead of the competition", said the barman. "And we are serving free pints every Wednesday evening from 6 until 8. We have the cheapest beer in Ireland"
"That is remarkable value" Michael comments
"I see you don't seem to have a glass, so you'll probably need one of ours. That will be 3 euro please."
O'Leary scowled, but paid up. He took his drink and walked towards a seat.
"Ah, you want to sit down?" said the barman. "That'll be an extra 2 euro. -
You could have pre-book the seat, and it would have only cost you a Euro."
"I think you may to be too big for the seat sir, can I ask you to sit in this frame please"
Michael attempts to sit down but the frame is too small and when he can't squeeze in
he complains "Nobody would fit in that little frame".
"I'm afraid if you can't fit in the frame you'll have to pay an extra surcharge of €4.00 for your seat sir"
O'Leary swore to himself, but paid up. "I see that you have brought your laptop with you" added the barman. "And since that wasn't pre-booked either, that will be another 3 euro."
O'Leary was so annoyed that he walked back to the bar, slammed his drink on the counter, and yelled, "This is ridiculous, I want to speak to the manager".
"Ah, I see you want to use the counter," says the barman, "that will be 2 euro please."
O'Leary's face was red with rage.
"Do you know who I am?"
"Of course I do Mr. O'Leary,"
"I've had enough, What sort of Hotel is this? I come in for a quiet drink and you treat me like this. I insist on speaking to a manager!"
"Here is his E mail address, or if you wish, you can contact him between 9 and 9.10 every morning, Monday to Tuesday at this free phone number. Calls are free, until they are answered, then there is a talking charge of only 10 cent per second"
"I will never use this bar again"
"OK sir, but remember, we are the only hotel in Ireland selling pints for one Euro".
If he'd read the t's & c's, he'd have know all of the above, plus all costings and extras are plainly visible when booking a flight!"Spare a thought for Michael O’Leary, Chief Executive of 'Ryanair'.......
Arriving in a hotel in Dublin, he went to the bar and asked for a pint of draught Guinness. The barman nodded and said, "That will be one Euro please, Mr. O’Leary."
Somewhat taken aback, O'Leary replied, "That's very cheap," and handed over his money.
"Well, we try to stay ahead of the competition", said the barman. "And we are serving free pints every Wednesday evening from 6 until 8. We have the cheapest beer in Ireland"
"That is remarkable value" Michael comments
"I see you don't seem to have a glass, so you'll probably need one of ours. That will be 3 euro please."
O'Leary scowled, but paid up. He took his drink and walked towards a seat.
"Ah, you want to sit down?" said the barman. "That'll be an extra 2 euro. -
You could have pre-book the seat, and it would have only cost you a Euro."
"I think you may to be too big for the seat sir, can I ask you to sit in this frame please"
Michael attempts to sit down but the frame is too small and when he can't squeeze in
he complains "Nobody would fit in that little frame".
"I'm afraid if you can't fit in the frame you'll have to pay an extra surcharge of €4.00 for your seat sir"
O'Leary swore to himself, but paid up. "I see that you have brought your laptop with you" added the barman. "And since that wasn't pre-booked either, that will be another 3 euro."
O'Leary was so annoyed that he walked back to the bar, slammed his drink on the counter, and yelled, "This is ridiculous, I want to speak to the manager".
"Ah, I see you want to use the counter," says the barman, "that will be 2 euro please."
O'Leary's face was red with rage.
"Do you know who I am?"
"Of course I do Mr. O'Leary,"
"I've had enough, What sort of Hotel is this? I come in for a quiet drink and you treat me like this. I insist on speaking to a manager!"
"Here is his E mail address, or if you wish, you can contact him between 9 and 9.10 every morning, Monday to Tuesday at this free phone number. Calls are free, until they are answered, then there is a talking charge of only 10 cent per second"
"I will never use this bar again"
"OK sir, but remember, we are the only hotel in Ireland selling pints for one Euro".
Edited by HTP99 on Tuesday 26th September 08:53
I'm looking at going away over christmas, Ryanair are by far the cheapest, I can catch a plane from East midlands, i can pick an exit seat knowing that i will have legroom. I would depart at 7am. Or I can fly from Gatwick, spend an extra 2 hours getting to the airport, not be able to choose an exit seat and have someone sit in front of me with a reclining seat meaning i get to see there dandruff. Oh and it leaves at 2pm meaning i get half a day less.
I'm happy to pay for a bag or a seat in a plane that has reasonable legroom, Jet2, Monarch, Thomas Cook all have vey poor legroom, BA although fly from Stansted or Birmingham have silly flight times and depart once a week. BA can be cheap if you book in advance but given i'm in the midalnds i don't want to keep flying out of London.
I'm happy to pay for a bag or a seat in a plane that has reasonable legroom, Jet2, Monarch, Thomas Cook all have vey poor legroom, BA although fly from Stansted or Birmingham have silly flight times and depart once a week. BA can be cheap if you book in advance but given i'm in the midalnds i don't want to keep flying out of London.
acer12 said:
I assume you will be taking the ferry from now on then?
As in your requirement for a guaranteed flight surely can’t be met by the any airline. How many flights have been cancelled over the years by BA, airfrance, Lufthansa etc etc due to industrial action or poor planning (such as BAs recent IT issue / move to t5?)
The Ryanair haters/snobs seem to have reappeared out the woodwork rubbing their hands and only too happy to do a bit of blinkered pontificating.
I'm not a Ryanair hater/snob I'd just rather not take a daft chance if I don't have to. As in your requirement for a guaranteed flight surely can’t be met by the any airline. How many flights have been cancelled over the years by BA, airfrance, Lufthansa etc etc due to industrial action or poor planning (such as BAs recent IT issue / move to t5?)
The Ryanair haters/snobs seem to have reappeared out the woodwork rubbing their hands and only too happy to do a bit of blinkered pontificating.
As you say they're are all alternatives.
Anyway what's your view on the staffs view?
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari...
I wonder if a Ryanair newbie would have had the nous to land in the Hudson or empty the plane on a Vegas runway or if that comes with experience or they'd be flapping like a Swan trying to take off on a motorway.
speedyguy said:
I'm not a Ryanair hater/snob I'd just rather not take a daft chance if I don't have to.
As you say they're are all alternatives.
Anyway what's your view on the staffs view?
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari...
I wonder if a Ryanair newbie would have had the nous to land in the Hudson or empty the plane on a Vegas runway or if that comes with experience or they'd be flapping like a Swan trying to take off on a motorway.
I had assumed that all airlines were likely to have pilots with a wide range of different experience levels. Are you saying that isn't the case ?As you say they're are all alternatives.
Anyway what's your view on the staffs view?
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari...
I wonder if a Ryanair newbie would have had the nous to land in the Hudson or empty the plane on a Vegas runway or if that comes with experience or they'd be flapping like a Swan trying to take off on a motorway.
Robertj21a said:
speedyguy said:
I'm not a Ryanair hater/snob I'd just rather not take a daft chance if I don't have to.
As you say they're are all alternatives.
Anyway what's your view on the staffs view?
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari...
I wonder if a Ryanair newbie would have had the nous to land in the Hudson or empty the plane on a Vegas runway or if that comes with experience or they'd be flapping like a Swan trying to take off on a motorway.
I had assumed that all airlines were likely to have pilots with a wide range of different experience levels. Are you saying that isn't the case ?As you say they're are all alternatives.
Anyway what's your view on the staffs view?
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari...
I wonder if a Ryanair newbie would have had the nous to land in the Hudson or empty the plane on a Vegas runway or if that comes with experience or they'd be flapping like a Swan trying to take off on a motorway.
Ryanair pilots then get promoted to captain with the minimum experience levels, their workforce is much more inexperienced than anyone else’s,
El stovey said:
Most airlines haven’t been doing much recruiting for the last few years that’s why most of the newly qualified pilots are going to Ryanair. As soon as they get enough experience most move on to better airlines.
Ryanair pilots then get promoted to captain with the minimum experience levels, their workforce is much more inexperienced than anyone else’s,
Sorry, but that really doesn't make much sense.:-Ryanair pilots then get promoted to captain with the minimum experience levels, their workforce is much more inexperienced than anyone else’s,
'Most airlines haven't been doing much recruiting for the last few years......' and then '....newly qualified pilots are going to Ryanair. As soon as they get enough experience most move on to better airlines'. How do they move on if other airlines aren't doing much recruiting ?
With the vast number of pilots with Ryanair I would guess they are an obvious source of recruits for all other airlines - when they are recruiting.
The turnover of pilots has been quoted at 17% - or roughly 6 years. That doesn't, to me, sound like a major lack of experience.
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