Ryanair Cancellations
Discussion
Jaguar steve said:
Who gives a s
t how they treat their staff or customers? I don't. I'm not precious enough to even give it a second thought.
What I do is play the game precisely by their rules, travel light and with flexibly, just accept whatever occurs without having a tantrum and with that mindset use Ryanair and Easyjet for cheap flights and European breaks without coming over all sanctimonious about offhand or rude staff or if the coffee is foul (it nearly always is) or the flight is 10 mins late or I have to walk out to the plane in the pouring rain.
Works for me every time otherwise I obviously wouldn't do it several times every year.
Exactly. I honestly don't know what 'service' people are expecting. Its like what service are you expecting when you board the 55 to Clapham?t how they treat their staff or customers? I don't. I'm not precious enough to even give it a second thought. What I do is play the game precisely by their rules, travel light and with flexibly, just accept whatever occurs without having a tantrum and with that mindset use Ryanair and Easyjet for cheap flights and European breaks without coming over all sanctimonious about offhand or rude staff or if the coffee is foul (it nearly always is) or the flight is 10 mins late or I have to walk out to the plane in the pouring rain.
Works for me every time otherwise I obviously wouldn't do it several times every year.
Everytime I've flown I've checked in online, walked straight to the gate, shown my passport, sat in a seat for 2 hours and then walked off at the other end. The service is getting me to Milan for £20!
Jaguar steve said:
What I do is play the game precisely by their rules, travel light and with flexibly, just accept whatever occurs without having a tantrum and with that mindset use Ryanair and Easyjet for cheap flights and European breaks without coming over all sanctimonious about offhand or rude staff or if the coffee is foul (it nearly always is) or the flight is 10 mins late or I have to walk out to the plane in the pouring rain.
The coffee I had on the Ryanair route to and from Brindisi a couple of weeks ago was Lavazza filter stuff and as good as any I've had on the ground. The flights were good too. Only the bag drop was awful in and out.I have to agree with the recent comments. I've been all over Europe about 5-6 times a year since about 1998 and travelling without hold luggage. Typical Ryanair fares are about £25-£30. I would have never been able to visit most of the places otherwise.
I agree that they have really cocked this issue up, if only for the doubt put in everyone's mind, but they're still an enormous operation that provides what I want, at a ridiculously silly price.
I agree that they have really cocked this issue up, if only for the doubt put in everyone's mind, but they're still an enormous operation that provides what I want, at a ridiculously silly price.
speedyguy said:
Pothole said:
Sheepshanks said:
Pothole said:
Shall we get some perspective? They are planning to cancel UP TO 50 flights a day. They say they're cancelling 2%. ....
Maybe it is only 2% but when you look at the daily lists, it looks like a LOT of flights - https://www.ryanair.com/gb/en/useful-info/help-cen...Depending on the criteria, it might well go some way to providing a more pleasant society. As a contributing, employed, taxpaying member of same I'm fairly confident I'd avoid the cull.
Back to the actual situation, I'll possibly get to experience it myself at the end of October as earlier mentioned so I'll be sure to post my thoughts for your further edification. One thing I'm not about to do is worry about it until it happens (or, more likely doesn't) or indulge in any fulminating righteous indignation. What a waste of energy that would be.
REALIST123 said:
The facts don't fit what you're saying. Many of Ryanair's peak period fares are no less than other carriers. And the service is still poor.
For years, it was no more expensive to fly BA or others to Europe than Ryanair or EasyJet once all the extras were taken into account. I used to do it every year on skiing holidays. The last several years I've driven which is less expensive than any airline and more convenient.
Do you book third rate hotels as well?
Anyway, the truth about this latest farrago is coming out. Seems Ryanair don't care about their staff any more than they do their customers.
When we travel to France, it's with a small carry on only, because I have everything I need there already. So we're not paying to check luggage or anything.
I detest their lack of transparency on pricing, coupped with their claim to be low-priced. If they were clear and transparent, they'd still be competitive, but they wouldn't come across as so dishonest.
I was told a pleasing tale a coule of years ago when, thanks to a Swedish (?) airline going bust, Ryanair got the chance to open a new route to a regional French airport. Apparently Ryanair said "We are Billy big b
ks. You have to give us 75% off landing and ground handling charges because we're so special."The airport told them to f
k off.Pothole said:
speedyguy said:
Pothole said:
Sheepshanks said:
Pothole said:
Shall we get some perspective? They are planning to cancel UP TO 50 flights a day. They say they're cancelling 2%. ....
Maybe it is only 2% but when you look at the daily lists, it looks like a LOT of flights - https://www.ryanair.com/gb/en/useful-info/help-cen...Depending on the criteria, it might well go some way to providing a more pleasant society. As a contributing, employed, taxpaying member of same I'm fairly confident I'd avoid the cull.
Back to the actual situation, I'll possibly get to experience it myself at the end of October as earlier mentioned so I'll be sure to post my thoughts for your further edification. One thing I'm not about to do is worry about it until it happens (or, more likely doesn't) or indulge in any fulminating righteous indignation. What a waste of energy that would be.
D'ya know what? If it all goes tits up I'll heave a sigh, text the villa people we're staying at and just re book. No outrageous indignation at the unfairness of it all and weeping and wailing about I've had my entire life ruined required by a horrid nasty airline.
I'll leave that to the Daily Mail readers who they're entitled to a Singapore Airlines first class standard for £19.99...
Doofus said:
I've ben reading this thread and wondering how people are getting "to SoF for a tenner". I all but have to use Ryanair to go to my place in France, because other than going via Paris on Air France, they are the only airline flying to my closest airport. We also seem to end up using them a couple of other times each year going to Greece or the Canaries. The flights are never particularly cheap. Once you add on the (non-optional) extras, they just aren't that 'budget'.
When we travel to France, it's with a small carry on only, because I have everything I need there already. So we're not paying to check luggage or anything.
I detest their lack of transparency on pricing, coupped with their claim to be low-priced. If they were clear and transparent, they'd still be competitive, but they wouldn't come across as so dishonest.
I was told a pleasing tale a coule of years ago when, thanks to a Swedish (?) airline going bust, Ryanair got the chance to open a new route to a regional French airport. Apparently Ryanair said "We are Billy big bks. You have to give us 75% off landing and ground handling charges because we're so special."
The airport told them to fk off.
Not sure why you don't find the fares clear and transparent. I only pay what they quote at the outset - unless I need to put anything in the hold (rare) or want Priority boarding (occasionally).When we travel to France, it's with a small carry on only, because I have everything I need there already. So we're not paying to check luggage or anything.
I detest their lack of transparency on pricing, coupped with their claim to be low-priced. If they were clear and transparent, they'd still be competitive, but they wouldn't come across as so dishonest.
I was told a pleasing tale a coule of years ago when, thanks to a Swedish (?) airline going bust, Ryanair got the chance to open a new route to a regional French airport. Apparently Ryanair said "We are Billy big b
ks. You have to give us 75% off landing and ground handling charges because we're so special."The airport told them to f
k off.Jaguar steve said:
Nobody's fooling me.
It's exactly 50 years since I first flew abroad for a fortnight on the Costa Blanca and I can still remember what a huge big deal and sense of occasion the experience was. Back in the day it would have been absolutely unthinkable to take several foreign holidays a year and jump on a plane just like you'd jump on a bus and have a long weekend somewhere you'd never heard of just for the hell of it or fly from one side of Europe to the other for less than a day's income or even the price of a tank of petrol. Only the super wealthy used to be able to do that but everybody can now.
The cheap carriers like Ryanair and EasyJet have blown Europe wide open and have enabled and expanded tourism everywhere and all this whinging about a tiny percentage of overall flight disruption for a few weeks whilst ignoring the overall big picture is all very Daily Mail IMO.
End of the day ya gets what ya pays for. And what you get from Ryanair is unquestionably a absolute bargain.
Your right of course, used RA in the past when they flew from Blackpool as they went to where we wanted to go and cheaply. Didn't care about food, drink, nice lounges etc just a plane that got me to where I wanted to go for as little as possible.It's exactly 50 years since I first flew abroad for a fortnight on the Costa Blanca and I can still remember what a huge big deal and sense of occasion the experience was. Back in the day it would have been absolutely unthinkable to take several foreign holidays a year and jump on a plane just like you'd jump on a bus and have a long weekend somewhere you'd never heard of just for the hell of it or fly from one side of Europe to the other for less than a day's income or even the price of a tank of petrol. Only the super wealthy used to be able to do that but everybody can now.
The cheap carriers like Ryanair and EasyJet have blown Europe wide open and have enabled and expanded tourism everywhere and all this whinging about a tiny percentage of overall flight disruption for a few weeks whilst ignoring the overall big picture is all very Daily Mail IMO.
End of the day ya gets what ya pays for. And what you get from Ryanair is unquestionably a absolute bargain.
However, cancelling flights to improve schedule numbers? Cancelling a flight is the worst thing an airline can do to a passenger, makes all the other thnigs inconsequential. Especially for RA as more than average customers are on short trips.
Not something I could accept, so I won't book RA in the future.
To quote you "you get what you pay for", unless of course, you don't get the flight !
Doofus said:
REALIST123 said:
The facts don't fit what you're saying. Many of Ryanair's peak period fares are no less than other carriers. And the service is still poor.
For years, it was no more expensive to fly BA or others to Europe than Ryanair or EasyJet once all the extras were taken into account. I used to do it every year on skiing holidays. The last several years I've driven which is less expensive than any airline and more convenient.
Do you book third rate hotels as well?
Anyway, the truth about this latest farrago is coming out. Seems Ryanair don't care about their staff any more than they do their customers.
When we travel to France, it's with a small carry on only, because I have everything I need there already. So we're not paying to check luggage or anything.
I detest their lack of transparency on pricing, coupped with their claim to be low-priced. If they were clear and transparent, they'd still be competitive, but they wouldn't come across as so dishonest.
I was told a pleasing tale a coule of years ago when, thanks to a Swedish (?) airline going bust, Ryanair got the chance to open a new route to a regional French airport. Apparently Ryanair said "We are Billy big b
ks. You have to give us 75% off landing and ground handling charges because we're so special."The airport told them to f
k off.Robertj21a said:
Not sure why you don't find the fares clear and transparent. I only pay what they quote at the outset - unless I need to put anything in the hold (rare) or want Priority boarding (occasionally).
It'sonly when you get to the payment that you see all the elements added togethr (ticket, taxes, credit card surcharge rtc).I know, I know; "play by the rules", but that's not the point. Choose any other airline and what they say the ticket will cost is what the ticket costs, because they don't subsequently add things like "pay extra to choose your seat, oh, don't forget the taxes" and so on.
Priority boarding is a mug's game, IMO. It makes me laugh when we go to Spain, because, more often than not, once through the gate, you get onto a bus, so all the Priority Boarders are now stuck at the back of the bus, which means they're last off it and onto the 'plane.
REALIST123 said:
Jaguar steve said:
Shay HTFC said:
REALIST123 said:
As they say, you can fool some of the people all of the time........
It's exactly 50 years since I first flew abroad for a fortnight on the Costa Blanca and I can still remember what a huge big deal and sense of occasion the experience was. Back in the day it would have been absolutely unthinkable to take several foreign holidays a year and jump on a plane just like you'd jump on a bus and have a long weekend somewhere you'd never heard of just for the hell of it or fly from one side of Europe to the other for less than a day's income or even the price of a tank of petrol. Only the super wealthy used to be able to do that but everybody can now.
The cheap carriers like Ryanair and EasyJet have blown Europe wide open and have enabled and expanded tourism everywhere and all this whinging about a tiny percentage of overall flight disruption for a few weeks whilst ignoring the overall big picture is all very Daily Mail IMO.
End of the day ya gets what ya pays for. And what you get from Ryanair is unquestionably a absolute bargain.
The facts don't fit what you're saying. Many of Ryanair's peak period fares are no less than other carriers. And the service is still poor.
For years, it was no more expensive to fly BA or others to Europe than Ryanair or EasyJet once all the extras were taken into account. I used to do it every year on skiing holidays. The last several years I've driven which is less expensive than any airline and more convenient.
Do you book third rate hotels as well?
Anyway, the truth about this latest farrago is coming out. Seems Ryanair don't care about their staff any more than they do their customers.
Sa Calobra said:
Seven holidays a year? I don't know anyone who does this. Most have decent wages but still just able a holiday treat.
I'm not sure who said seven, but we're about to go away for a fortnight, which will be the fifth time this year, and we have another three weeks booked in November.Anyway, to be fair to them, I've just checked online, and their pricing is less insidious than it used to be. The ticket price quoted was the price paid (except for the card surcharge). They still charge fkr stuff which shouod be includdd, but I revise my earlier accusation because it turns out they aren't such bug tossers as they usedto be
Gary C said:
Your right of course, used RA in the past when they flew from Blackpool as they went to where we wanted to go and cheaply. Didn't care about food, drink, nice lounges etc just a plane that got me to where I wanted to go for as little as possible.
However, cancelling flights to improve schedule numbers? Cancelling a flight is the worst thing an airline can do to a passenger, makes all the other thnigs inconsequential. Especially for RA as more than average customers are on short trips.
Not something I could accept, so I won't book RA in the future.
It’s only going to get much worse at Ryanair. They have loads of disgruntled employees who are desperate to leave and now better airlines are recruiting, so they’re leaving in droves, For all these pilots that have gone to Norwegian for a slightly better contract there are many more in the process of leaving. However, cancelling flights to improve schedule numbers? Cancelling a flight is the worst thing an airline can do to a passenger, makes all the other thnigs inconsequential. Especially for RA as more than average customers are on short trips.
Not something I could accept, so I won't book RA in the future.
That’s the deal for customers, you pay little for an airline full of unhappy employees, they will leave if the opportunity arises, if enough leave, your flight will get cancelled.
Each to their own but I wouldn’t want to get on an aircraft operated by unhappy and undervalued crew. We have loads of ex Ryanair pilots in my airline and the conditions they described there are absolutely rock bottom in the industry. Much worse than any other so called low cost airline.
Great news for the industry as a whole though because Ryanair will have to improve conditions if they want to get people to work there. They’ve finally simply run out of people willing to put up with it.
Doofus said:
It'sonly when you get to the payment that you see all the elements added togethr (ticket, taxes, credit card surcharge rtc).
I know, I know; "play by the rules", but that's not the point. Choose any other airline and what they say the ticket will cost is what the ticket costs, because they don't subsequently add things like "pay extra to choose your seat, oh, don't forget the taxes" and so on.
Priority boarding is a mug's game, IMO. It makes me laugh when we go to Spain, because, more often than not, once through the gate, you get onto a bus, so all the Priority Boarders are now stuck at the back of the bus, which means they're last off it and onto the 'plane.
That's simply not true. The price quoted includes taxes, I don't pay any more whatsoever (there's no charge for a debit card).I know, I know; "play by the rules", but that's not the point. Choose any other airline and what they say the ticket will cost is what the ticket costs, because they don't subsequently add things like "pay extra to choose your seat, oh, don't forget the taxes" and so on.
Priority boarding is a mug's game, IMO. It makes me laugh when we go to Spain, because, more often than not, once through the gate, you get onto a bus, so all the Priority Boarders are now stuck at the back of the bus, which means they're last off it and onto the 'plane.
I don't use priority boarding to get priority (!), I sometimes get it because it guarantees that I can get my choice of seat, take my hand luggage on board - and a camera bag. Even then the total cost is very reasonable. Apart from which, in many cases, no other airlines fly from regional airports to where I want to go to.
Robertj21a said:
That's simply not true. The price quoted includes taxes, I don't pay any more whatsoever (there's no charge for a debit card).
I don't use priority boarding to get priority (!), I sometimes get it because it guarantees that I can get my choice of seat, take my hand luggage on board - and a camera bag. Even then the total cost is very reasonable. Apart from which, in many cases, no other airlines fly from regional airports to where I want to go to.
I don't use priority boarding to get priority (!), I sometimes get it because it guarantees that I can get my choice of seat, take my hand luggage on board - and a camera bag. Even then the total cost is very reasonable. Apart from which, in many cases, no other airlines fly from regional airports to where I want to go to.
I have already sheepishly said:
Anyway, to be fair to them, I've just checked online, and their pricing is less insidious than it used to be. The ticket price quoted was the price paid (except for the card surcharge). They still charge for stuff which should be included, but I revise my earlier accusation because it turns out they aren't such big tossers as they used to be
El stovey said:
It’s only going to get much worse at Ryanair. They have loads of disgruntled employees who are desperate to leave and now better airlines are recruiting, so they’re leaving in droves, For all these pilots that have gone to Norwegian for a slightly better contract there are many more in the process of leaving.
That’s the deal for customers, you pay little for an airline full of unhappy employees, they will leave if the opportunity arises, if enough leave, your flight will get cancelled.
Each to their own but I wouldn’t want to get on an aircraft operated by unhappy and undervalued crew. We have loads of ex Ryanair pilots in my airline and the conditions they described there are absolutely rock bottom in the industry. Much worse than any other so called low cost airline.
Great news for the industry as a whole though because Ryanair will have to improve conditions if they want to get people to work there. They’ve finally simply run out of people willing to put up with it.
Quite a few off the Ryanair flights I've used recently out of the UK have been using crews from their foreign bases, they're not using UK crews so much nowadays.That’s the deal for customers, you pay little for an airline full of unhappy employees, they will leave if the opportunity arises, if enough leave, your flight will get cancelled.
Each to their own but I wouldn’t want to get on an aircraft operated by unhappy and undervalued crew. We have loads of ex Ryanair pilots in my airline and the conditions they described there are absolutely rock bottom in the industry. Much worse than any other so called low cost airline.
Great news for the industry as a whole though because Ryanair will have to improve conditions if they want to get people to work there. They’ve finally simply run out of people willing to put up with it.
Robertj21a said:
El stovey said:
It’s only going to get much worse at Ryanair. They have loads of disgruntled employees who are desperate to leave and now better airlines are recruiting, so they’re leaving in droves, For all these pilots that have gone to Norwegian for a slightly better contract there are many more in the process of leaving.
That’s the deal for customers, you pay little for an airline full of unhappy employees, they will leave if the opportunity arises, if enough leave, your flight will get cancelled.
Each to their own but I wouldn’t want to get on an aircraft operated by unhappy and undervalued crew. We have loads of ex Ryanair pilots in my airline and the conditions they described there are absolutely rock bottom in the industry. Much worse than any other so called low cost airline.
Great news for the industry as a whole though because Ryanair will have to improve conditions if they want to get people to work there. They’ve finally simply run out of people willing to put up with it.
Quite a few off the Ryanair flights I've used recently out of the UK have been using crews from their foreign bases, they're not using UK crews so much nowadays.That’s the deal for customers, you pay little for an airline full of unhappy employees, they will leave if the opportunity arises, if enough leave, your flight will get cancelled.
Each to their own but I wouldn’t want to get on an aircraft operated by unhappy and undervalued crew. We have loads of ex Ryanair pilots in my airline and the conditions they described there are absolutely rock bottom in the industry. Much worse than any other so called low cost airline.
Great news for the industry as a whole though because Ryanair will have to improve conditions if they want to get people to work there. They’ve finally simply run out of people willing to put up with it.
Most aren’t even employed by Ryanair, they’re employed by some artificial third party company. Ryanair doesn’t give a s
t about them so they’re off when they get a better offer. Which is what’s happening now. Our flight to Brussels (in 10 days) cancelled but return 3 data later still there
Anyone have experience of getting refund & compensation from RA? (Our hotel is non refundable and cannot change dates)
I suspect RA will try everything not to compensate & have us jumping through many hoops to avoid it?
Anyone have experience of getting refund & compensation from RA? (Our hotel is non refundable and cannot change dates)
I suspect RA will try everything not to compensate & have us jumping through many hoops to avoid it?
The manner in which Ryanair have handled this is disgraceful, shows zero forward planning and utter contempt for passengers. I hope they get deservedly screwed financially in term of EC261 compensation, and accommodation and subsistence under their duty of care obligations.
Personally they are my carrier of last resort, if the routing or timing means there is absolutely no alternative. In my view they're an airline who have successfully managed to change every single aspect of flying from a pleasure to a deeply unpleasant experience. Even if their fares were free, I would not choose to fly with them over alternative carriers.
Personally they are my carrier of last resort, if the routing or timing means there is absolutely no alternative. In my view they're an airline who have successfully managed to change every single aspect of flying from a pleasure to a deeply unpleasant experience. Even if their fares were free, I would not choose to fly with them over alternative carriers.
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