San Francisco, early April
Discussion
Hi all - I’m off to SF for a week at the start of April. Any hints on;
A. Where to stay (suggestions for the area or specific hotels both welcome). Budget? Let’s say around £200/night.
B. Stuff to see - I’ve never been, and outside of Alcatraz and the bridge I’m interested in what else “must” be seen... Any tour recommendations?
I could research on line (and will), but it’s always good to get a steer! I’ll be there on my own, so no need to entertain kids, etc.
A. Where to stay (suggestions for the area or specific hotels both welcome). Budget? Let’s say around £200/night.
B. Stuff to see - I’ve never been, and outside of Alcatraz and the bridge I’m interested in what else “must” be seen... Any tour recommendations?
I could research on line (and will), but it’s always good to get a steer! I’ll be there on my own, so no need to entertain kids, etc.
SF is actually quite a small place so you can get to see quite a bit in a short time. Be prepared to walk some hills. Be prepared for changeable weather especially if you take a ferry trip.
Alcatraz- book the trip before you go- way in advance. It's popular with school trips as well as tourists.
I'd pick an early boat/entrance time during the day as you will miss the crowds. Audio storybook tours aren't that great - it's best just to wander around by yourself.
There are some good bus tours available - they will take you around the city - allow you to get on/off in some districts, take you over the bridge to take the required pictures etc. You can also get trips up north to the forests to see some Redwood trees etc
Several ferry trips available - out past Alcatraz right up to the golden gate bridge, around the Sausalito coast then back to the city.
I'd stay fairly central - Union Square or near Powell St (Parc55 or Hilton Union Square are good- ask for a high room to get away from the noise ), so you have access to good transport links/ BART back to the airport, metro etc. You are near shops and plenty of eating establishments.
You don't say if you are going to hire a car - parking in SF is fairly easy but traffic is bad. I'd say for a short trip a car isn't necessary. Many people use Uber all day long. So much can be seen on foot too. It's popular to rent bikes in SF and ride over the bridge , then get a ferry back.
Hope that's given you a few ideas.
Alcatraz- book the trip before you go- way in advance. It's popular with school trips as well as tourists.
I'd pick an early boat/entrance time during the day as you will miss the crowds. Audio storybook tours aren't that great - it's best just to wander around by yourself.
There are some good bus tours available - they will take you around the city - allow you to get on/off in some districts, take you over the bridge to take the required pictures etc. You can also get trips up north to the forests to see some Redwood trees etc
Several ferry trips available - out past Alcatraz right up to the golden gate bridge, around the Sausalito coast then back to the city.
I'd stay fairly central - Union Square or near Powell St (Parc55 or Hilton Union Square are good- ask for a high room to get away from the noise ), so you have access to good transport links/ BART back to the airport, metro etc. You are near shops and plenty of eating establishments.
You don't say if you are going to hire a car - parking in SF is fairly easy but traffic is bad. I'd say for a short trip a car isn't necessary. Many people use Uber all day long. So much can be seen on foot too. It's popular to rent bikes in SF and ride over the bridge , then get a ferry back.
Hope that's given you a few ideas.
Good advice on booking the evening trip to Alcatraz, far more atmospheric and you are guaranteed fewer people. Something to do with insurance we were informed during our visit, maximum of 600 visitors allowed on the island after dark compared with the 2000 during the day.
Getting up into the hills on the other side of the Golden gate bridge is well worth the effort, stunning views.
Getting up into the hills on the other side of the Golden gate bridge is well worth the effort, stunning views.
We go every year for a few days as a stop-over before driving up to Lake Tahoe for some late season skiing, so usually first or second week in April - but also summer trips too. San Francisco is certainly one of my favourite cities.
Re Alcatraz - yes, worth going but you will have to book ahead. The evening tours 'Alcatraz at Night' are worth it, but they don't run all year - I think they start mid/early April so you may have to do a trip in daylight, but that's good too. BTW as you dock on Alcatraz they point out some 'original' graffiti left by the Indians (Native Americans these days) who occupied it in the late 60s. Only I have photos from our very first visit in '81 when it was a bit faded, and then year on year more faded until it had all but gone. But now mysteriously it's all visible again - it's been repainted. Fake heritage!
So, accomodation - I know you said a budget if $200, but if you want to make it a 'special' trip rather than just another hotel in another city then The Fairmont on Nob Hill is my favourite. Stunning 'classic San Franciscan' reception, bars, dining room (and The Tonga Room beneath is a lot of fun). There;s a newer bedroom block as well as the original rooms, but basically if you pay for a Bay View you get probably the best view from any hotel in town. Yes, it will blow your budget, but it will be a memorable stay. (It was Sean Connery's choice in The Rock).
Or the Mark Hopkins Intercontinental just across the road (visited in Bullit). Another classic hotel, but not quite as opulent in the public areas as the Fairmont. Again, you can get rooms with decent views, plus there's a bar on the top floor with great views and live music at weekends - maybe worth a visit even if you aren't a resident.
Or the Westin on Union Square - no views of the bay, but the rooms at the front have views over Union Square and are olde worlde huge with high ceilings etc. Classic SF reception and public areas too, butt he corridors remind me of The Shining! Also the hotel with the 'party' that ended Fatty Arbuckle's career.
To me these are the 'classic' SF hotels, but if you aren't paying the extra for the view then in truth you may as well stay anywhere. There are plenty of the usual suspect Marriotts, Holiday Inns, Hiltons etc. An alternative is to stay down at Fisherman's Wharf - good toursty location, but apart from maybe the Argonaut (where I haven't stayed yet) none of the hotels are particularly special and none have 'spectacular' views like the Fairmont or Mark Hopkins - I've stayed in at least a Holiday Inn, Marriott, Hyatt and Sheraton at Fisherman's Wharf in my time, and none offered more really than a Premier Inn - but you are paying for a [walkable] location.
If you are choosing anything else, then the part of SF that's touristy with thinks you'd want to see is relatively small and mostly walkable - but SF itself is a large city so very easy to choose a hotel miles away from anything. For me, I limit myself to either Union Square, Fisherman's Wharf or Nob Hill - other hotels/area are available. Or look at a map, anything east of Hyde and north of Geary/Market will put you on a walkable area - and there's nothing of note in the Financial District....
And remember there is typically no free parking at any SF hotel, and many are valet park only - so add $30 or so per night if you have a car. If you're staying at Fisherman's Wharf then there's a Safeway supermarket that has a car patr on the roof that allows overnight and long-stay parking. Still not cheap, but cheaper than parking at one of the hotels.
SF is a tourist town, and so loads of information out there, and part of the fun of anywhere new is exploring and thinking you're the first to find things, so I won't do too much detail - but some comments on the more popular spots/things to do...
Alcatraz - as above, worth doing but book ahead. Obviously you walk to the pier to get the ferry, not walk to the island!
What is (IMHO) very poorly advertised is the Walt Disney Family Museum at the Presidio (drive or cab, not walkable). If you have no interest in Walt Disney, or movies, or the parks then give it a miss. Otherwise I think it's the best 'storied' museum/exhibit I've been to anywhere. Not a large museum - but extremely well presented. And if you're at The Presidio, search out the 'Yoda' fountain that's kind of hidden away in a courtyard!
Then the regular stuff - Fisherman's Wharf/Pier 39 - touristy but worth a wander around; some decent restaurants to explore. If you're in to boats there's a 'museum' with an old sailing clipper and other stuff at the east end of the Wharf - I found the clipper fascinating.
Chinatown - wander about, eat the food - some of the 'seediest' looking restaurants have the best food.
Cable Cars - you have to ride them, BUT they're not particularly frequent, and they don't fully load them at any terminus so there's space to pick up folks en route. Even in April you could easily wait an hour to get on at a terminus, so either go real early or chance getting on at a stop on the route. Late night is also busy.
...and while we're on transport, the bell hops at hotels will easily get you taxis, but SF has to have the fewest number of taxis just plying for trade at night of anywhere I've been. I'm not on Uber or similar, and that may be the answer - but simply standing at the roadside waiting to hail a cab can turn into a long wait.
Cable Car museum - has all the engines and pulley stuff that's still running the cable cars, interesting to me at least.
Coit Tower - walkable; if you take a car parking can be challenging. There's an elevator to the top so you don't have to climb stairs. A decent view from the top but panoramas are obstructed just by the design of the tower/windows.
Lombard street - walkable, but in truth more fun to drive down. There was a time when you could just drive down Hyde and turn right down it, but so many folks want to do it now there's usually a cop at the top directing traffic to a queue round the block.
Haight/Ashbury - probably worth a visit, but not the hippy mecca it once was - either tourists or drop-outs now really. But some interesting shops. You won't be able to walk there - if driving it's on-street metered parking. Almost impossible to park later in the day but as most of the shops don't open until around 11:00, get there maybe 10:00 where it's easy to get a space and do breakfast. There's a micro brewery/bar/restaurant on Haight/Masonic.
And re food, we also have a family tradition of doing a breakfast at the Pinecrest Diner near Union Square (Geary/Mason) - nothing special, but just a traditional American diner (plus a murder there some years ago for added authenticity). You usually have to queue for a table, but a good American breakfast.
If you have gone to Haight Ashbury then you're close to Golden gate park. A nice enough park to wander about, but IMHO only the Japanese Garden is really worth the trip to the park. There are a couple of museums and galleries, but The Natural History or Science Museum they ain't.
'Painted ladies' - basically just a row of houses on Steiner, but one of the 'classic' photo opportunities of SF. Not walkable, and they are lived-in homes so all you can do is take photos from the park across the road...but a classic SF image on a nice day.
Golden Gate Bridge - drive, walk or cycle across. If driving, there's a layby on the right on the north side where you can get photos of the bridge/SF from. usually very busy so you have to do a couple of loop to find a parking space. But that's not the 'classic' view of the bridge with SF behind - you get that off the road to the west of the bridge/Marin Headlands - find it on a map. Only problem is there's precious little parking on that road, so usually means a passenger taking the photo while you're driving. But of you're lucky to find a space stop and walk down to one of the batterys for the best photo shop.
And if you're in that area North of the Bridge then there's the Muir Woods (OK, just trees, but BIG trees and the apes liked them in Planet of the Apes), and Sausalito is also nice to wander round/explore.
Further afield there's the Monterey Bay aquarium if you're in to that sort of thing (the aquarium at Pier 39 is hardly worth it!) - that's the aquarium used in the crappy Star Trek movie with the whales and alleged to be in SF - it's not, it's in Monterey and there are no whales. But a good aquarioum and cannery row in Monterey is also quite nice to walk around. The 'direct' route (inland) isn't too inspiring, but on a nice day the much-longer route up Highway 1 is nice. If you're up for it and it's a nice day, I'd go down the quickest way possible (maybe 2 hours?) and come back up the coast.
If you're in to driving then you can also drive up to the Napa Valley - lots of the wineries do tastings. Just follow the main roads to the Napa Valley and most are signed.
And if you're in to bikes then visit Arlen Ness in Dublin (on the other side of the bay, and a wee bit of a drive more). Downstairs is 'just' a regular dealer [Indian
- always buy a bundle of stuff there], but upstairs has loads of his custom bikes from over the years and some are absolutely stunning.
Loads more. but I've dumped enough brains by now.... Oh- and the weather - it could be sunny; it could be pissing with rain, It might be warn - hot even - or it could be cold as hell. We'll be there again this April for a long weekend before heading up to the mountains and as usual looking forward to it.
Re Alcatraz - yes, worth going but you will have to book ahead. The evening tours 'Alcatraz at Night' are worth it, but they don't run all year - I think they start mid/early April so you may have to do a trip in daylight, but that's good too. BTW as you dock on Alcatraz they point out some 'original' graffiti left by the Indians (Native Americans these days) who occupied it in the late 60s. Only I have photos from our very first visit in '81 when it was a bit faded, and then year on year more faded until it had all but gone. But now mysteriously it's all visible again - it's been repainted. Fake heritage!
So, accomodation - I know you said a budget if $200, but if you want to make it a 'special' trip rather than just another hotel in another city then The Fairmont on Nob Hill is my favourite. Stunning 'classic San Franciscan' reception, bars, dining room (and The Tonga Room beneath is a lot of fun). There;s a newer bedroom block as well as the original rooms, but basically if you pay for a Bay View you get probably the best view from any hotel in town. Yes, it will blow your budget, but it will be a memorable stay. (It was Sean Connery's choice in The Rock).
Or the Mark Hopkins Intercontinental just across the road (visited in Bullit). Another classic hotel, but not quite as opulent in the public areas as the Fairmont. Again, you can get rooms with decent views, plus there's a bar on the top floor with great views and live music at weekends - maybe worth a visit even if you aren't a resident.
Or the Westin on Union Square - no views of the bay, but the rooms at the front have views over Union Square and are olde worlde huge with high ceilings etc. Classic SF reception and public areas too, butt he corridors remind me of The Shining! Also the hotel with the 'party' that ended Fatty Arbuckle's career.
To me these are the 'classic' SF hotels, but if you aren't paying the extra for the view then in truth you may as well stay anywhere. There are plenty of the usual suspect Marriotts, Holiday Inns, Hiltons etc. An alternative is to stay down at Fisherman's Wharf - good toursty location, but apart from maybe the Argonaut (where I haven't stayed yet) none of the hotels are particularly special and none have 'spectacular' views like the Fairmont or Mark Hopkins - I've stayed in at least a Holiday Inn, Marriott, Hyatt and Sheraton at Fisherman's Wharf in my time, and none offered more really than a Premier Inn - but you are paying for a [walkable] location.
If you are choosing anything else, then the part of SF that's touristy with thinks you'd want to see is relatively small and mostly walkable - but SF itself is a large city so very easy to choose a hotel miles away from anything. For me, I limit myself to either Union Square, Fisherman's Wharf or Nob Hill - other hotels/area are available. Or look at a map, anything east of Hyde and north of Geary/Market will put you on a walkable area - and there's nothing of note in the Financial District....
And remember there is typically no free parking at any SF hotel, and many are valet park only - so add $30 or so per night if you have a car. If you're staying at Fisherman's Wharf then there's a Safeway supermarket that has a car patr on the roof that allows overnight and long-stay parking. Still not cheap, but cheaper than parking at one of the hotels.
SF is a tourist town, and so loads of information out there, and part of the fun of anywhere new is exploring and thinking you're the first to find things, so I won't do too much detail - but some comments on the more popular spots/things to do...
Alcatraz - as above, worth doing but book ahead. Obviously you walk to the pier to get the ferry, not walk to the island!
What is (IMHO) very poorly advertised is the Walt Disney Family Museum at the Presidio (drive or cab, not walkable). If you have no interest in Walt Disney, or movies, or the parks then give it a miss. Otherwise I think it's the best 'storied' museum/exhibit I've been to anywhere. Not a large museum - but extremely well presented. And if you're at The Presidio, search out the 'Yoda' fountain that's kind of hidden away in a courtyard!
Then the regular stuff - Fisherman's Wharf/Pier 39 - touristy but worth a wander around; some decent restaurants to explore. If you're in to boats there's a 'museum' with an old sailing clipper and other stuff at the east end of the Wharf - I found the clipper fascinating.
Chinatown - wander about, eat the food - some of the 'seediest' looking restaurants have the best food.
Cable Cars - you have to ride them, BUT they're not particularly frequent, and they don't fully load them at any terminus so there's space to pick up folks en route. Even in April you could easily wait an hour to get on at a terminus, so either go real early or chance getting on at a stop on the route. Late night is also busy.
...and while we're on transport, the bell hops at hotels will easily get you taxis, but SF has to have the fewest number of taxis just plying for trade at night of anywhere I've been. I'm not on Uber or similar, and that may be the answer - but simply standing at the roadside waiting to hail a cab can turn into a long wait.
Cable Car museum - has all the engines and pulley stuff that's still running the cable cars, interesting to me at least.
Coit Tower - walkable; if you take a car parking can be challenging. There's an elevator to the top so you don't have to climb stairs. A decent view from the top but panoramas are obstructed just by the design of the tower/windows.
Lombard street - walkable, but in truth more fun to drive down. There was a time when you could just drive down Hyde and turn right down it, but so many folks want to do it now there's usually a cop at the top directing traffic to a queue round the block.
Haight/Ashbury - probably worth a visit, but not the hippy mecca it once was - either tourists or drop-outs now really. But some interesting shops. You won't be able to walk there - if driving it's on-street metered parking. Almost impossible to park later in the day but as most of the shops don't open until around 11:00, get there maybe 10:00 where it's easy to get a space and do breakfast. There's a micro brewery/bar/restaurant on Haight/Masonic.
And re food, we also have a family tradition of doing a breakfast at the Pinecrest Diner near Union Square (Geary/Mason) - nothing special, but just a traditional American diner (plus a murder there some years ago for added authenticity). You usually have to queue for a table, but a good American breakfast.
If you have gone to Haight Ashbury then you're close to Golden gate park. A nice enough park to wander about, but IMHO only the Japanese Garden is really worth the trip to the park. There are a couple of museums and galleries, but The Natural History or Science Museum they ain't.
'Painted ladies' - basically just a row of houses on Steiner, but one of the 'classic' photo opportunities of SF. Not walkable, and they are lived-in homes so all you can do is take photos from the park across the road...but a classic SF image on a nice day.
Golden Gate Bridge - drive, walk or cycle across. If driving, there's a layby on the right on the north side where you can get photos of the bridge/SF from. usually very busy so you have to do a couple of loop to find a parking space. But that's not the 'classic' view of the bridge with SF behind - you get that off the road to the west of the bridge/Marin Headlands - find it on a map. Only problem is there's precious little parking on that road, so usually means a passenger taking the photo while you're driving. But of you're lucky to find a space stop and walk down to one of the batterys for the best photo shop.
And if you're in that area North of the Bridge then there's the Muir Woods (OK, just trees, but BIG trees and the apes liked them in Planet of the Apes), and Sausalito is also nice to wander round/explore.
Further afield there's the Monterey Bay aquarium if you're in to that sort of thing (the aquarium at Pier 39 is hardly worth it!) - that's the aquarium used in the crappy Star Trek movie with the whales and alleged to be in SF - it's not, it's in Monterey and there are no whales. But a good aquarioum and cannery row in Monterey is also quite nice to walk around. The 'direct' route (inland) isn't too inspiring, but on a nice day the much-longer route up Highway 1 is nice. If you're up for it and it's a nice day, I'd go down the quickest way possible (maybe 2 hours?) and come back up the coast.
If you're in to driving then you can also drive up to the Napa Valley - lots of the wineries do tastings. Just follow the main roads to the Napa Valley and most are signed.
And if you're in to bikes then visit Arlen Ness in Dublin (on the other side of the bay, and a wee bit of a drive more). Downstairs is 'just' a regular dealer [Indian
- always buy a bundle of stuff there], but upstairs has loads of his custom bikes from over the years and some are absolutely stunning.Loads more. but I've dumped enough brains by now.... Oh- and the weather - it could be sunny; it could be pissing with rain, It might be warn - hot even - or it could be cold as hell. We'll be there again this April for a long weekend before heading up to the mountains and as usual looking forward to it.
Already some great tips here on visiting what I consider one of the absolute great cities.
I’d add that it is pricey, nothing comes cheap in San Fran.
Also if you’re going for a week a drive down the Pacific coast highway is in order.
Go very a Monterey and carmel as far as Bug Sur and stop at some of the beaches and viewing points, the scenery is incredible.
17 mile drive is a must.
I’d add that it is pricey, nothing comes cheap in San Fran.
Also if you’re going for a week a drive down the Pacific coast highway is in order.
Go very a Monterey and carmel as far as Bug Sur and stop at some of the beaches and viewing points, the scenery is incredible.
17 mile drive is a must.
In terms of things to see, tvrolet has pretty much nailed things I'd see, although if you're interested, you may find motor racing at Sears Point (Nappa Valley) or Laguna Seca (Monterey), with Laguna Seca being particularly epic in my view.
Monterey Aquarium isn't just a 'good aquarium', but one of the best and most influential in the world. Diving around here is pretty good too, whale watching is a common attraction from there.
Personally, I love Monterey. Nice restaurants in the Pacific Grove area.
Carmel is 'interesting' as Americans seem to believe it's like an English Village - It is, the same way the Disney castle is like any castle other than the Neuschwanstein!
It's quite peaceful though and worth a visit if you're in the area.
The wine area is OK, but even 15 years ago, the vineyards were wise to people and many charged for tasting'. To be honest, most of the wine we tasted was no better than the price implied, so bear that in mind, but I'm not a connoisseur, so this will probably appeal more to those who are.
Santa Cruz, mid way between SF and Monterey has (or at least had, it was years ago I last went) the world's largest wooden rollercoaster - I think they filmed The Lost Boys here (Might be muddling it with somewhere else, so you'll have to check if that's important to you - ETA I checked, it was )
Muir Woods and the Japanese Garden in Golden Gate Park are well worth seeing as he said, not sure anyone's mentioned the fort under the GG bridge, have they? That's pretty good, for the excellent view of the bridge alone, if you're not into 19th Century fortifications.
M
Monterey Aquarium isn't just a 'good aquarium', but one of the best and most influential in the world. Diving around here is pretty good too, whale watching is a common attraction from there.
Personally, I love Monterey. Nice restaurants in the Pacific Grove area.
Carmel is 'interesting' as Americans seem to believe it's like an English Village - It is, the same way the Disney castle is like any castle other than the Neuschwanstein!
It's quite peaceful though and worth a visit if you're in the area.The wine area is OK, but even 15 years ago, the vineyards were wise to people and many charged for tasting'. To be honest, most of the wine we tasted was no better than the price implied, so bear that in mind, but I'm not a connoisseur, so this will probably appeal more to those who are.
Santa Cruz, mid way between SF and Monterey has (or at least had, it was years ago I last went) the world's largest wooden rollercoaster - I think they filmed The Lost Boys here (Might be muddling it with somewhere else, so you'll have to check if that's important to you - ETA I checked, it was
)Muir Woods and the Japanese Garden in Golden Gate Park are well worth seeing as he said, not sure anyone's mentioned the fort under the GG bridge, have they? That's pretty good, for the excellent view of the bridge alone, if you're not into 19th Century fortifications.
M
Edited by marcosgt on Tuesday 2nd January 09:55
We stayed here last year http://www.hotelzephyrsf.com/ not a bad hotel at all quite quirky and a 5 to 10 minute walk to all the 'main' attractions.
SF was the last part of my West America tour with 2 kids, I think Vegas beat it slightly in comparison to Blackpool and crowds (of the old days)
SF was the last part of my West America tour with 2 kids, I think Vegas beat it slightly in comparison to Blackpool and crowds (of the old days)
We went last September, starting and finishing our fly drive in SF - agree with all the above except I thought the Audio Alcatraz tour was great.
If there's a Giants game on then go to that at AT&T park as the atmosphere (and food) is great. Tickets were only $25 ish and we got a free cap
If there's a Giants game on then go to that at AT&T park as the atmosphere (and food) is great. Tickets were only $25 ish and we got a free cap
Some excellent advice on here, so I've little to add other than two nearby districts worth a quick look at if you do make it to Haight Ashbury, are Castro - famous for its gay scene and the trigger for much of the US (or even global?) LBGT stuff way back in the 50's and 60's, and Mission, which used to be a VERY edgy part of town, but now somewhat more gentrified, and historically home to the Mexican and Central/Southern American communities in SF, and which has some great bars and restaurants as a result.
We stayed at the Scarlet Huntington which is in Nob Hill opposite the Grace Cathedral, near the Fairmont spoken about above. It was a great location. It's a short walk down to Union Sq (you'll want to catch an Uber / Trolley car back up the hill mind).
Alcatraz is brilliant. I echo going to watch a baseball game at AT&T Park if you can, it's brilliant but can get very cold so wrap up!
We took in food at Fog City Diner which I would recommend, and also had some great steak at Mortons nr Union Sq (pricey).
Loved SF. Need to go back soon.
Alcatraz is brilliant. I echo going to watch a baseball game at AT&T Park if you can, it's brilliant but can get very cold so wrap up!
We took in food at Fog City Diner which I would recommend, and also had some great steak at Mortons nr Union Sq (pricey).
Loved SF. Need to go back soon.
Tvrolets post has everything you need to know except Uber, Uber and Uber. The fares are insanely cheap at under half the cost of a cab and you get to meet real locals who can offer some great bar/restaurant tips vs the cab drivers who are miserable and invariably driving beaten up old crown vics or high mileage prius’ badly.
SF is a great business city, but it's a bit overrated for tourism.
Alcatraz is brilliant. Lombard Street is fun for a challenge in a hire car. The harbour sub is good to poke around. The golden bridge is small and an anticlimax.
If doing a whole week, it's probably worth squeezing in a second city nearby. Somewhere like Seattle, which has a big tower, seaplanes and volcanoes.
Alcatraz is brilliant. Lombard Street is fun for a challenge in a hire car. The harbour sub is good to poke around. The golden bridge is small and an anticlimax.
If doing a whole week, it's probably worth squeezing in a second city nearby. Somewhere like Seattle, which has a big tower, seaplanes and volcanoes.
Yipper said:
If doing a whole week, it's probably worth squeezing in a second city nearby. Somewhere like Seattle, which has a big tower, seaplanes and volcanoes.
Another 'great' Yipper contribution - not sure why you feel the need to keep posting such nonsense? SF/Seattle is a 2hr flight and a 10+hr drive - and as per posts above, there is more than enough in SF and the surrounding area for a week or more.Gassing Station | Holidays & Travel | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff