PCCB flakes/chips - ouch!

PCCB flakes/chips - ouch!

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Twinfan

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10,125 posts

105 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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This kind of thing is the reason I've gone for steels on my 718 GT4 and why I think PCCBs are for the well heeled only...

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r...

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Car #1, 23k miles:





Car #2, 15k miles:




hunter 66

3,909 posts

221 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Yes could always be an issue over the years and as EU cars generally used hard , more go for steel . But here not an issue as delivery milage should keep them pristine

Twinfan

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10,125 posts

105 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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hunter 66 said:
But here not an issue as delivery mileage should keep them pristine
laugh

I was told by someone that the Taycan PCCBs should be replaced every 5 years due to contaminants affecting the discs. I wonder if that's what happened in the above two cases as they're both 991.1 series cars, so age as well as mileage may affect longevity.

Slippydiff

14,850 posts

224 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Pah, that's nothing, I drove my 996 GT2 with the PCCB's in this state :





and the discs were all of 350mm in diameter smile

Joking aside, that looks like a manufacturing defect or some serious localised overheating.

Edit to add : This was the second set of PCCB discs that had failed in a total of 16,000 miles ... biggrin






Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 26th February 17:09

Twinfan

Original Poster:

10,125 posts

105 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Well according to the thread both owners tried claiming under the Porsche warranty and were refused...

Melvynr

1,404 posts

52 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Same thing was happening with the odd sets of BM CCB, both made by Brembo SLG, I would guess they have been heavily tracked.BM quite clearlly state , only good for 2.5k miles of heavy track use, don't know how Porsche stand on the matter.
people were changing the pads at 50 per cent worn as they put more heat into the disc, I was informed they have studs on the backing plate to hold the pad and show at five millimetre.I asked a guy to photo his pads when he put pics of his discs up, he never did.

CorrosionInhibitor

375 posts

98 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Slippydiff said:
Pah, that's nothing, I drove my 996 GT2 with the PCCB's in this state :





and the discs were all of 350mm in diameter smile

Joking aside, that looks like a manufacturing defect or some serious localised overheating.

Edit to add : This was the second set of PCCB discs that had failed in a total of 16,000 miles ... biggrin






Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 26th February 17:09
Polar silver ones were faster, in road side barriers anyhow

Slippydiff

14,850 posts

224 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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CorrosionInhibitor said:
Polar silver ones were faster, in road side barriers anyhow
I never put that theory to the test, though I did come close on several occasions ...

FTW

532 posts

177 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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The top pictures are a parts quality issue for sure. If the car is in warranty then I’d expect cover for a full replacement, unless it’s occurred in a territory that Porsche don’t warrant brakes.

Twinfan

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10,125 posts

105 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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It was the US and they weren't covered under warranty.

They may be isolated incidents, on two separate cars a year apart, but it's not great is it?

FTW

532 posts

177 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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No it’s not. No out of warranty part failure is be it an engine, steering rack, bulb or clip.

hunter 66

3,909 posts

221 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Brakes are consumables ...... like tyres and fuel

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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hunter 66 said:
Brakes are consumables ...... like tyres and fuel
when do you say not fit or quality issue though.

I have never seen PCCB like that when the rest of the disk is ok.

red997

1,304 posts

210 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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991.1 GT3
Currently on 45K miles
lots of Trackdays
I bought it 1 year old
previous "owner" did 20 K in one year from new - and I'm pretty sure it was hard driving

The PCCB's are original, and still in good shape (As reported by OPC & indy)

Trgasy

143 posts

85 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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outrageous this pic!
can't believe opc does not change this... i would advise HQ.

Melvynr

1,404 posts

52 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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They never put pics of the pads up, more to it than meets the eye as they say. Pads will tell a lot about how the car has been used.Look at the fourth pic down at calliper, what do you see?

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Looks like the pad has moved?

unclepezza

789 posts

144 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Reminds me of the big reds, with yellow coloured Porsche logo’s on them instead of white, if you know what I mean.



Melvynr said:
They never put pics of the pads up, more to it than meets the eye as they say. Pads will tell a lot about how the car has been used.Look at the fourth pic down at calliper, what do you see?
Edited by unclepezza on Saturday 29th February 02:30

catfood12

1,419 posts

143 months

Thursday 23rd April 2020
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I have 140K miles on a set of Cayenne V8 Diesel PCCBs, still like new and faultless. Several sets of pads later (4 sets, I think) and they're like new. I have more trouble with the fluid absorbing moisture and fading every couple of years. The PCCBs are now cost positive from new, as if on steels, I'd be on at least my third set of discs.



This is a well driven daily smoker I've had from new, and I couldn't be happier with how they've performed for the last six years. They were off and weighed at just over 100K miles and 60g or so I think over minimum weight. I'll probably weigh them again at 170K or so.... unless Pork can make me a new V8D Cayenne in the meantime.


Slippydiff

14,850 posts

224 months

Friday 24th April 2020
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catfood12 said:
I have 140K miles on a set of Cayenne V8 Diesel PCCBs, still like new and faultless. Several sets of pads later (4 sets, I think) and they're like new. I have more trouble with the fluid absorbing moisture and fading every couple of years. The PCCBs are now cost positive from new, as if on steels, I'd be on at least my third set of discs.



This is a well driven daily smoker I've had from new, and I couldn't be happier with how they've performed for the last six years. They were off and weighed at just over 100K miles and 60g or so I think over minimum weight. I'll probably weigh them again at 170K or so.... unless Pork can make me a new V8D Cayenne in the meantime.
The PCCB's are perfect for road use (there was a Mk2 996 GT3 that had them fitted) I saw the discs when the car had done 180K + road only miles, and whilst the faces were worn and somewhat "wavy" they hadn't delaminated AT ALL.

The Porsche sales blurb for the 996 GT2 stated the PCCB's were good for 120K miles, and on an unmodified (ie no horsepower increase) car used solely on the road. I suspect they would last that long.
Unfortunately the issues arise when they're put under duress on track and heat management becomes a problem, a shame, as the vast majority of GT/RS owners want to use the cars on track ...