Summer holidays 2020

[mikal83]

Kerikeeee if the costa d sol isnt full of Britz and ze germans this summer,, it'll be a major catastrophe for the economy.

[PositronicRay]

mikal83 said:

Kerikeeee if the costa d sol isnt full of Britz and ze germans this summer,, it'll be a major catastrophe for the economy.

I wouldn't be surprised even if stuff is relaxed things in the resorts we're a bit quiet. 2nd homers will be down along with some rental villas.

We won't see a bonanza of the world being opened up all at once.

[EddieSteadyGo]

GT72 said:

Bill said:

I can't see international travel happening this year, I'm not even sure we're going to Cornwall in August.

There will be plenty of people still who haven't had it, and while local travel and shops may be allowed I'd be amazed if countries will risk importing a fresh dose.

This is my thought, I would imagine opening up borders will be the very last restriction to removed over a period of many months as the restrictions are being reduced.

Can you imagine the ststorm if it kicked off in Italy again because they'd let in a load of tourists.

When Italy announces it is relaxing its lockdown, it is highly likely they will still be having hundreds of new cases a day. At least, that is what is happening in Austria and Germany.

The lockdown isn't about letting the virus burn out. It is about reducing the rate of infection and so allow the government time to build up healthcare and testing capacity.

[sasha320]

EddieSteadyGo said:

The lockdown isn't about letting the virus burn out. It is about reducing the rate of infection and so allow the government time to build up healthcare and testing capacity.

In turn this suggests that in order to take the chance with International travel; two things need to be in place

1 - Transportation to get you there and back

2 - The destination has to have sufficient healthcare capacity.

Because the holiday will very quickly get ruined If you fall ill and there is inadequate healthcare capacity and most (if not all) travel insurance policies are now excluding Coronavirus.

[PositronicRay]

sasha320 said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

The lockdown isn't about letting the virus burn out. It is about reducing the rate of infection and so allow the government time to build up healthcare and testing capacity.

In turn this suggests that in order to take the chance with International travel; two things need to be in place

1 - Transportation to get you there and back

2 - The destination has to have sufficient healthcare capacity.

Because the holiday will very quickly get ruined If you fall ill and there is inadequate healthcare capacity and most (if not all) travel insurance policies are now excluding Coronavirus.

Or they have an outbreak and lockdown.

[Superleg48]

If there is an opportunity to travel anywhere this year, my first preference will be somewhere in the UK, but anywhere else will be a destination I can drive to. I will not be travelling in a long aluminium Petri dish of an airplane for some considerable time.

However, this is far from my mind currently, as there are far more important things to worry about...like staying safe and not playing my part in potentially spreading this thing around.

[Robertj21a]

Regardless of when restrictions are eased I just can't see many returning to foreign holidays by air this year - 2021 at the earliest for most. As for cruise holidays I guess there's going to be a distinct lack of customers for at least a couple of years.

[sasha320]

I think Coronavirus has focused the minds of many cruise goers.

Imagine being ‘quarantined’ on a cruise ship with a virus that is worse than Coronavirus!?!

[konark]

sasha320 said:

I think Coronavirus has focused the minds of many cruise goers.

Imagine being ‘quarantined’ on a cruise ship with a virus that is worse than Coronavirus!?!

I wouldn't wish to be quarantined on a cruise ship even without a virus. It's just like prison with an option of drowning.

[RC1807]

mikal83 said:

Kerikeeee if the costa d sol isnt full of Britz and ze germans this summer,, it'll be a major catastrophe for the economy.

In another virus related thread, a Spanish resident said they'd been advised that many places would remain closed until Easter 2021!


I was in Florida in early March for WEC/IMSA at Sebring. At this point, since the Governor of Florida has been a complete dick about the virus, permitting church services, et al, I don't think I'd risk returning for the IMSA only rescheduled November dates, at this point,

[Brave Fart]

Speculation, I know, but what say the PH hive about our holiday to California/Arizona/Utah starting in mid-June?

[valiant]

EddieSteadyGo said:

GT72 said:

I presume travel insurance won’t cover us for CV if we go abroad. What happens if you end up in ICU for 2 weeks in Spain?

Or would we be covered?

We will need to wait and see on that. Everyone is going to be asking the same question so it will need to be answered properly, once we get over the lockdown.

My usual travel insurance company will still sell you a policy today but now specifically excludes any future Coronavirus claims whether that’s cancelled a flight or a medical emergency. Normal cover for everything else.

I imagine this is now standard across the board and will be going forward. No doubt some will offer specific CV cover at some point when things calm down at a massively inflated price.

[GT72]

Brave Fart said:

Speculation, I know, but what say the PH hive about our holiday to California/Arizona/Utah starting in mid-June?

Isn't entry into the US currently closed. I'd guess that if they do re-open it, in the short term there'd be a 14 day quarantine period post entry, thereby ruining any chance of a holiday.

We're off to Spain in August and have seen Spanish press reports that the major resorts don't intend to re-open until Easter 2021 as they expect occupancy levels of circa 30-40% if they did open, which would lead to huge financial losses. Our expectation is we won't be travelling.

[irocfan]

konark said:

sasha320 said:

I think Coronavirus has focused the minds of many cruise goers.

Imagine being ‘quarantined’ on a cruise ship with a virus that is worse than Coronavirus!?!

I wouldn't wish to be quarantined on a cruise ship even without a virus. It's just like prison with an option of drowning.

to be fair we went on our first cruise last year and enjoyed it (which was a surprise to me, I guess I just viewed it like doing a road-trip) so we booked another one for September to Alaska - just been cancelled. The cruise industry really seems to have been spanked by this, moreso (dare I say) than any other. Maybe this'll end up being a good thing and they'll get their respective houses in order (I'm not blind to the fact that their reputation is far from stellar!).
Now it's just a case of seeing where we can go in the same period - if we can keep the flights to SF then it'll be a US road-trip, if we can't then maybe a driving holiday to Scotland or Ireland is on the cards.

Sadly interesting times ahead.

[Brave Fart]

GT72 said:

Isn't entry into the US currently closed. I'd guess that if they do re-open it, in the short term there'd be a 14 day quarantine period post entry, thereby ruining any chance of a holiday.

We're off to Spain in August and have seen Spanish press reports that the major resorts don't intend to re-open until Easter 2021 as they expect occupancy levels of circa 30-40% if they did open, which would lead to huge financial losses. Our expectation is we won't be travelling.

Yes, good point about the USA. "Welcome home, how was California?" "Ah, well we just stayed in a hotel near LAX eating room service burgers for two weeks. We got to know our guards quite well, though........"
Plus, of course, stuff like national parks may very well still be closed so even if we escape the guards there'll be nothing to do. Bugger.

[alfabeat]

On 23 March, the Greek authorities announced the suspension of direct commercial flights between the UK and Greece (in both directions). This suspension has since been extended, and is now in place until 23.59 Greek time on 15 May.

We shall see what happens after that date.

[Downward]

Hub said:

I imagine there will be a problem of quarantining for visitors to many countries if they get their outbreaks under control, which will exceed the length of holidays!

I have a family holiday to Italy for late July - Flights are paid for and I have until 6 weeks before to pay the balance of the accommodation. We need to renew passports too... not sure what I'm doing yet but there is no immediate rush!

I’m in a similar position.
Need 2 new passports and flight paid for departing 2nd August.
Deposit paid on the Villa with balance due June. It must be even more stressful for those folk who are relying on the tourism and their workers to be fair.

[Jaguar steve]

Even if travel restrictions are lifted I'm in a higher risk group so I've resigned myself all the summer holidays we've already planned and booked are off this year. No matter how many assurances the Grubberment gives me there's no way I'm taking any risks.

All I'm hoping for is our usual few weeks in the Canaries in the autumn, but if that looks even slightly risky it's going in the bin too.

On the plus side I'm saving a absolute fortune...

[irocfan]

Jaguar steve said:

Even if travel restrictions are lifted I'm in a higher risk group so I've resigned myself all the summer holidays we've already planned and booked are off this year. No matter how many assurances the Grubberment gives me there's no way I'm taking any risks.

All I'm hoping for is our usual few weeks in the Canaries in the autumn, but if that looks even slightly risky it's going in the bin too.

On the plus side I'm saving a absolute fortune...

Look on the bright side apparently it is now a legal requirement that holibobs can be carried forward for the next 2 years regardless of the company's normal policy

[Jaguar steve]

irocfan said:

Jaguar steve said:

Even if travel restrictions are lifted I'm in a higher risk group so I've resigned myself all the summer holidays we've already planned and booked are off this year. No matter how many assurances the Grubberment gives me there's no way I'm taking any risks.

All I'm hoping for is our usual few weeks in the Canaries in the autumn, but if that looks even slightly risky it's going in the bin too.

On the plus side I'm saving a absolute fortune...

Look on the bright side apparently it is now a legal requirement that holibobs can be carried forward for the next 2 years regardless of the company's normal policy

None of this years planned holidays are packaged 'tho - they're all a complex mix of self booked road trips, yacht charter, flights, ferries, Chateau and Airbnb and Holiday Lettings accommodation and staying with friends in Europe which only Mrs JS fully understands.

Carrying all that lot forwards and getting all the dates to match up again next year around other things we want to do as well is going to be a nightmare

Rather than hope it'll all be OK she'll go for refunds where she can and start again when it's safe to travel because any voucher from anybody carrying a holiday forward is worthless if the accommodation or company or airline you've using has gone bust in the meantime.

Edited by Jaguar steve on Sunday 19th April 18:23