Summer holidays 2020
Discussion
PushedDover said:
Where does this C-19 put us all eager to get afloat?
I've a boat/yacht booking held with a 50% deposit paid in December'19 for a week in August, Gocek. Turkey
I didn't book flights at the time as they were showing as £600 (for Turkey ffs) and see that the extortionate prices of January have dipped a £100 but still 'steep' considering they may not happen. Will they spike? or fall further..... ?
The Charter Co is doing all it can to say it can be rolled to 2021 etc *if* travel is not feasible and I see others Co's are offering all sorts of boats with all sorts of terms. Will some of them just close for the season and put them back on the hard?
Talk of 'Middle seats empty', will the Summer holiday get rammed as everyone escapes ? or has everyone lost all their money and the package holidays on their arse.... no one knows.
Our charter company wanted us to pay the balance and then transfer to a later date but i cancelled my two weeks in the Ionian for June just before the balance became due so we've lost our deposit. I've just had a look on our broker's site and was very surprised to see they seem to think it's business as usual - loads of boats available from this weekend even before the UK comes out of lockdown and nothing discounted .I've a boat/yacht booking held with a 50% deposit paid in December'19 for a week in August, Gocek. Turkey
I didn't book flights at the time as they were showing as £600 (for Turkey ffs) and see that the extortionate prices of January have dipped a £100 but still 'steep' considering they may not happen. Will they spike? or fall further..... ?
The Charter Co is doing all it can to say it can be rolled to 2021 etc *if* travel is not feasible and I see others Co's are offering all sorts of boats with all sorts of terms. Will some of them just close for the season and put them back on the hard?
Talk of 'Middle seats empty', will the Summer holiday get rammed as everyone escapes ? or has everyone lost all their money and the package holidays on their arse.... no one knows.
Better to bail out than take a risk on things going horribly tits up IMO. Nobody in the party fancied being taken ill on a boat miles from anywhere or my job as Skipper if I couldn't carry on or being stranded in Greece unable to get home.
Best I'm hoping for now is cheaper charter deals next summer...
Jaguar steve said:
Our charter company wanted us to pay the balance and then transfer to a later date but i cancelled my two weeks in the Ionian for June just before the balance became due so we've lost our deposit. I've just had a look on our broker's site and was very surprised to see they seem to think it's business as usual - loads of boats available from this weekend even before the UK comes out of lockdown and nothing discounted .
Better to bail out than take a risk on things going horribly tits up IMO. Nobody in the party fancied being taken ill on a boat miles from anywhere or my job as Skipper if I couldn't carry on or being stranded in Greece unable to get home.
Best I'm hoping for now is cheaper charter deals next summer...
For June - I can totally agree. They've pushed back the 'balance' payment to one month before, so I'll take a view in July....Better to bail out than take a risk on things going horribly tits up IMO. Nobody in the party fancied being taken ill on a boat miles from anywhere or my job as Skipper if I couldn't carry on or being stranded in Greece unable to get home.
Best I'm hoping for now is cheaper charter deals next summer...
I run a large hotel in the Lakes and rely on tourism so more than anything want to open.
We have written up a plan for social distancing for guests and staff and I can tell you that if everyone thinks you will be holidaying in the UK this year expect reduced capacity.
The problem for us is operationally keeping the staff who live and work in the hotel two metres apart the whole time, the only solution we have found so far is having less staff and as a consequence less guests. In terms of the cost, I imagine we will keep rates round about where they would be normally, but suspect we will increase these based on demand.
The biggest risk for our county is the healthcare capacity up here is small and I doubt it can cope with a full on outbreak. Bit of catch 22.
On the positive side I have a nice back garden to spend time in for my daily exercise!
We have written up a plan for social distancing for guests and staff and I can tell you that if everyone thinks you will be holidaying in the UK this year expect reduced capacity.
The problem for us is operationally keeping the staff who live and work in the hotel two metres apart the whole time, the only solution we have found so far is having less staff and as a consequence less guests. In terms of the cost, I imagine we will keep rates round about where they would be normally, but suspect we will increase these based on demand.
The biggest risk for our county is the healthcare capacity up here is small and I doubt it can cope with a full on outbreak. Bit of catch 22.
On the positive side I have a nice back garden to spend time in for my daily exercise!
Oddly this is the first year we didn't book a holiday abroad for, normally we book 12mths in advance, this year we've booked a week in the lakes (late August), and the rest we figured we'd just see where we fancied nearer the time.
Even if pubs/restaurants/cafes are still closed then Id like to think we could still go, enjoy a week walking around the hills & having BBQ's in the evenings.
Even if pubs/restaurants/cafes are still closed then Id like to think we could still go, enjoy a week walking around the hills & having BBQ's in the evenings.
VTECMatt said:
I run a large hotel in the Lakes and rely on tourism so more than anything want to open.
We have written up a plan for social distancing for guests and staff and I can tell you that if everyone thinks you will be holidaying in the UK this year expect reduced capacity.
The problem for us is operationally keeping the staff who live and work in the hotel two metres apart the whole time, the only solution we have found so far is having less staff and as a consequence less guests. In terms of the cost, I imagine we will keep rates round about where they would be normally, but suspect we will increase these based on demand.
The biggest risk for our county is the healthcare capacity up here is small and I doubt it can cope with a full on outbreak. Bit of catch 22.
On the positive side I have a nice back garden to spend time in for my daily exercise!
One of the companies I work for has a base in Manchester and one in North Lancs and one in West Cumbria. We're classed as essential staff. One of the longest serving hotel chains has cancelled all our preferential rates even for bookings three / four months out where they had payment off the corporate system. The new rates they are charging are 200% higher, with no food "as due to social distancing we can't cook in our kitchens". So our staff are doing 8-12hr days at power stations and driving 2 - 4 hrs up and down the M6 as it is cheaper to do that and pay them O/T / rest days off due to long days than the excessive new "CV-19" hotel rates.We have written up a plan for social distancing for guests and staff and I can tell you that if everyone thinks you will be holidaying in the UK this year expect reduced capacity.
The problem for us is operationally keeping the staff who live and work in the hotel two metres apart the whole time, the only solution we have found so far is having less staff and as a consequence less guests. In terms of the cost, I imagine we will keep rates round about where they would be normally, but suspect we will increase these based on demand.
The biggest risk for our county is the healthcare capacity up here is small and I doubt it can cope with a full on outbreak. Bit of catch 22.
On the positive side I have a nice back garden to spend time in for my daily exercise!
They are offering holiday packages for June! Even to our corporate e-mail address, less than our corporate rates! Twunts.
This won't be forgotten after CV-19 s over, hotels in Grange, Morcombe and Nobagob.....
Speaking to several hotel owners here in St. Moritz there is a feeling that we'll have a reduced summer season but it will be mostly the Swiss who will be holidaying here. There are current border restrictions with some places enforcing isolation for travellers which are likely to cut leisure travel. I don't think anyone here is thinking air transport will resume any time soon.
I don't expect most of the luxury boutiques we have in town to open this summer. Many of the big hotels are currently renovating and it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to focus on getting ready for the winter. As was mentioned above even if they're allowed to open the social distancing restrictions could cause them to significantly reduce their service. A friend, who runs one of the big 5 star hotels in town, decided to close the winter season before strictly needing to as he didn't believe he could offer the luxury service his guests expected even with the first wave of light restrictions. Another hotel-owning friend said she'll make her plans depending on when the Glacier Express starts running again.
The Swiss government are going to announce plans in a few weeks time for the tourist sectors. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the plans were mostly aimed at 'encouraging' the Swiss to holiday close to home.
I don't expect most of the luxury boutiques we have in town to open this summer. Many of the big hotels are currently renovating and it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to focus on getting ready for the winter. As was mentioned above even if they're allowed to open the social distancing restrictions could cause them to significantly reduce their service. A friend, who runs one of the big 5 star hotels in town, decided to close the winter season before strictly needing to as he didn't believe he could offer the luxury service his guests expected even with the first wave of light restrictions. Another hotel-owning friend said she'll make her plans depending on when the Glacier Express starts running again.
The Swiss government are going to announce plans in a few weeks time for the tourist sectors. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the plans were mostly aimed at 'encouraging' the Swiss to holiday close to home.
At least one positive ...
https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/local/20...
If this is going to be the normal perhaps it will help small businesses and the local area and reduce all inclusive.
https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/local/20...
If this is going to be the normal perhaps it will help small businesses and the local area and reduce all inclusive.
NDA said:
The EU is preparing proposals to suspend EU passenger rights to refunds by allowing airlines to issue vouchers instead.
well colour me shocked that the EU changes the rules at the drop of a hat! (TBF I can see the reasons for it, not sure I'd be happy though. unless it's what-ever type of flight you'd purchased rather than a 'cash value' type of thing.....)irocfan said:
NDA said:
The EU is preparing proposals to suspend EU passenger rights to refunds by allowing airlines to issue vouchers instead.
well colour me shocked that the EU changes the rules at the drop of a hat! (TBF I can see the reasons for it, not sure I'd be happy though. unless it's what-ever type of flight you'd purchased rather than a 'cash value' type of thing.....)irocfan said:
NDA said:
The EU is preparing proposals to suspend EU passenger rights to refunds by allowing airlines to issue vouchers instead.
well colour me shocked that the EU changes the rules at the drop of a hat! (TBF I can see the reasons for it, not sure I'd be happy though. unless it's what-ever type of flight you'd purchased rather than a 'cash value' type of thing.....)https://www.abta.com/news/abta-urges-government-ac...
It’s been going on for a while actually.
Downward said:
Whatever happens I am not keen on going now.
Wonder if Ryanair will allow us to rebook the flights for next year ?
This is very much what I'm thinking too. Wonder if Ryanair will allow us to rebook the flights for next year ?
Even if Europe is thrown wide open in a few weeks and smiley politicians assure us it'll be fine to travel I'd not want to go anywhere until I knew for sure I wouldn't have the trip spoiled by having Coronavirus on my mind every time I went into a shop or restaurant or boarded a ferry or aircraft.
Eurotunnel might be a possibility as you don't need to get out of your car and a road trip using self catering accommodation might be on but I'm thinking you can forget mixing it with the general public for a very long time.
Jaguar steve said:
Our charter company wanted us to pay the balance and then transfer to a later date but i cancelled my two weeks in the Ionian for June just before the balance became due so we've lost our deposit. I've just had a look on our broker's site and was very surprised to see they seem to think it's business as usual - loads of boats available from this weekend even before the UK comes out of lockdown and nothing discounted .
Better to bail out than take a risk on things going horribly tits up IMO. Nobody in the party fancied being taken ill on a boat miles from anywhere or my job as Skipper if I couldn't carry on or being stranded in Greece unable to get home.
Best I'm hoping for now is cheaper charter deals next summer...
bump - Update on the Yacht Charter. Toying with taking it late September, Croatia. Better to bail out than take a risk on things going horribly tits up IMO. Nobody in the party fancied being taken ill on a boat miles from anywhere or my job as Skipper if I couldn't carry on or being stranded in Greece unable to get home.
Best I'm hoping for now is cheaper charter deals next summer...
Drive there. NorthWest UK to Split is 24hrs non stop.
RIsk during a drive there is low. Supplies on board and go self isolate for two weeks floating in the med.......
Genuine planning being formed with the lads. (not withstanding four flights at £300 equates to a lot of Fuel and on board beers)
PushedDover said:
bump - Update on the Yacht Charter. Toying with taking it late September, Croatia.
Drive there. NorthWest UK to Split is 24hrs non stop.
RIsk during a drive there is low. Supplies on board and go self isolate for two weeks floating in the med.......
Genuine planning being formed with the lads. (not withstanding four flights at £300 equates to a lot of Fuel and on board beers)
One thing I would be wary of - whilst countries desperate for tourists may open their borders, those that don’t may impose restrictions. I can’t imagine the likes of Germany or Austria permitting unrestricted access. Plus, what happens if you’re in a country and they have a spike and change the rules. Drive there. NorthWest UK to Split is 24hrs non stop.
RIsk during a drive there is low. Supplies on board and go self isolate for two weeks floating in the med.......
Genuine planning being formed with the lads. (not withstanding four flights at £300 equates to a lot of Fuel and on board beers)
Whilst a road trip with the boys would be great fun, I imagine the risk of issues would be significantly greater than finding somewhere you can fly to.
GT72 said:
PushedDover said:
bump - Update on the Yacht Charter. Toying with taking it late September, Croatia.
Drive there. NorthWest UK to Split is 24hrs non stop.
RIsk during a drive there is low. Supplies on board and go self isolate for two weeks floating in the med.......
Genuine planning being formed with the lads. (not withstanding four flights at £300 equates to a lot of Fuel and on board beers)
One thing I would be wary of - whilst countries desperate for tourists may open their borders, those that don’t may impose restrictions. I can’t imagine the likes of Germany or Austria permitting unrestricted access. Plus, what happens if you’re in a country and they have a spike and change the rules. Drive there. NorthWest UK to Split is 24hrs non stop.
RIsk during a drive there is low. Supplies on board and go self isolate for two weeks floating in the med.......
Genuine planning being formed with the lads. (not withstanding four flights at £300 equates to a lot of Fuel and on board beers)
Whilst a road trip with the boys would be great fun, I imagine the risk of issues would be significantly greater than finding somewhere you can fly to.
PushedDover said:
Jaguar steve said:
Our charter company wanted us to pay the balance and then transfer to a later date but i cancelled my two weeks in the Ionian for June just before the balance became due so we've lost our deposit. I've just had a look on our broker's site and was very surprised to see they seem to think it's business as usual - loads of boats available from this weekend even before the UK comes out of lockdown and nothing discounted .
Better to bail out than take a risk on things going horribly tits up IMO. Nobody in the party fancied being taken ill on a boat miles from anywhere or my job as Skipper if I couldn't carry on or being stranded in Greece unable to get home.
Best I'm hoping for now is cheaper charter deals next summer...
bump - Update on the Yacht Charter. Toying with taking it late September, Croatia. Better to bail out than take a risk on things going horribly tits up IMO. Nobody in the party fancied being taken ill on a boat miles from anywhere or my job as Skipper if I couldn't carry on or being stranded in Greece unable to get home.
Best I'm hoping for now is cheaper charter deals next summer...
Drive there. NorthWest UK to Split is 24hrs non stop.
RIsk during a drive there is low. Supplies on board and go self isolate for two weeks floating in the med.......
Genuine planning being formed with the lads. (not withstanding four flights at £300 equates to a lot of Fuel and on board beers)
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