Summer Holidays 2021

[vaud]

Phil. said:

The India stuff in the press at the moment is more scaremongering to give the government a continued excuse to stop people from travelling. Take a look at the average 7 day death rates in India by population, they have increased slightly recently but remain several factors below the UK’s! Time to open your eyes, this isn’t about a virus.

It really isn't. I have many colleagues in India and the situation is getting very bad in many cities. Death rates lag to infection rates.

These are the cases; that curve is about as steep as it gets. Several cities have moved back to lockdown:



Our (non-UK) company banned all work travel to India for the foreseeable future.

[Phil.]

vaud said:

Phil. said:

The India stuff in the press at the moment is more scaremongering to give the government a continued excuse to stop people from travelling. Take a look at the average 7 day death rates in India by population, they have increased slightly recently but remain several factors below the UK’s! Time to open your eyes, this isn’t about a virus.

It really isn't. I have many colleagues in India and the situation is getting very bad in many cities. Death rates lag to infection rates.

These are the cases; that curve is about as steep as it gets. Several cities have moved back to lockdown:



Our (non-UK) company banned all work travel to India for the foreseeable future.

You are quoting cases, I quoted deaths. Please stop believing the case hype.

Take a look at deaths by population from the same data source. In fact it easier for me to show you, here you go:

[Phil.]

ElectricSoup said:

Well your first sentence there is verifiable rubbish, and your post goes downhill from that.

I'm looking forward to my summer holiday. In 2022. If I get one before then I'll consider it a bonus, not a birthright.

Edited by ElectricSoup on Monday 19th April 14:05

Firstly, if it’s verifiable then prove it.

Secondly, when other than during a war situation has your freedom to travel been made illegal? It’s not a ‘bonus’ to be able to travel (as the government want you to believe) it’s a fundamental right that has been taken away in a completely undemocratic manner! Wake up to the propaganda you have obviously been taken in by!

[ElectricSoup]

Phil. said:

ElectricSoup said:

Well your first sentence there is verifiable rubbish, and your post goes downhill from that.

I'm looking forward to my summer holiday. In 2022. If I get one before then I'll consider it a bonus, not a birthright.

Edited by ElectricSoup on Monday 19th April 14:05

Firstly, if it’s verifiable then prove it.

Secondly, when other than during a war situation has your freedom to travel been made illegal? It’s not a ‘bonus’ to be able to travel (as the government want you to believe) it’s a fundamental right that has been taken away in a completely undemocratic manner! Wake up to the propaganda you have obviously been taken in by!

I'll humour you once last time then. To repeat myself: "Can you enlighten us as to which season it is in India currently? Is it Covid season? Must be, as a new wave is starting there. So I expect the weather in all of India at the moment is directly comparable to the season in the UK which you believe to be Covid season here, right? Or does the virus work to different seasons in different countries, once it's realised it's crossed an imaginary line on a map? I'll tell you what Covid season is. It's non-lockdown season in a country without general immunity developed through either a total closing of borders or a completed vaccination campaign."

Or, try the Harvard School of Public Health, Centre for Communicable Diseases maybe:

https://ccdd.hsph.harvard.edu/will-covid-19-go-awa...

It may become seasonal. It is not now.

I'm sorry to say that, in this exchange between us, it is perfectly clear who is taken in by false claims and narratives, and it is not me.

Once you have provided your counter evidence to the seasonality argument, describing how Covid is already a seasonal virus, perhaps you'll indulge us as to why the government are going to the effort of all this "Poroaganda" if there is little to no threat form this disease? What is the motive for this? You mention democracy - well sorry we were asked who shoudl ogver us in December 2019, and look who we chose. I didn't vote for them, I don't like them, but there it is. We'll get another say in due course. Were you expecting a referendum on an unforeseen matter of public health?

Shouting WAKE UP AND THINK FOR YOURSELVES SHEEPLE THE GOVVERMUNT ARE OUT TO GET YOU !!!!11111!!!11!! - is not an argument.

[vaud]

Phil. said:

You are quoting cases, I quoted deaths. Please stop believing the case hype.

Take a look at deaths by population from the same data source. In fact it easier for me to show you, here you go:

I didn't say you didn't. I believe the case hype in India from the data I see. Deaths are a lag to cases and some comment that India death data has also been under reported (many private hospitals vs state, inconsistencies, etc)

I hope you are right by the way - I don't want to see my many Indian colleagues losing loved ones, but sadly we will find out in about three weeks.

Either way, I wouldn't plan a summer trip there...

[Deep Thought]

So, anyways.

Anyone booked any thing nice?

[JQ]

Deep Thought said:

So, anyways.

Anyone booked any thing nice?

2 weeks in India, absolute bargain.

[madbadger]

JQ said:

Deep Thought said:

So, anyways.

Anyone booked any thing nice?

2 weeks in India, absolute bargain.

Just onto the RED list.

[Welshbeef]

JQ said:

2 weeks in India, absolute bargain.

Oh no you don’t.

India added to COVID travel 'red list' over new variant concerns
http://news.sky.com/story/india-added-to-covid-tra...

[vaud]

Deep Thought said:

So, anyways.

Anyone booked any thing nice?

Two weeks in Norfolk for end July.

Then maybe Iceland or Sweden in the autumn but holding off for now.

[Bill]

Deep Thought said:

So, anyways.

Anyone booked any thing nice?

Indeed. Please take the arguments elsewhere.

[popeyewhite]

madbadger said:

JQ said:

Deep Thought said:

So, anyways.

Anyone booked any thing nice?

2 weeks in India, absolute bargain.

Just onto the RED list.

You may be due a whoosh parrot.

[Welshbeef]

popeyewhite said:

You may be due a whoosh parrot.

Have you been drinking again? You mean a Rose-ringed parakeet not a “whoosh parrot” one is mainly based on India the other is some silly school ground “Bantz”

[Phil.]

Deep Thought said:

So, anyways.

Anyone booked any thing nice?

My wife and I are thinking of booking a few hotel based short breaks outside of school hols until we can travel internationally again.

Any recommendations for country/coastal hotels, perhaps something off the normal tourist list. Nothing special just clean and in reasonable condition. We prefer quiet locations.

[75Black]

Deep Thought said:

So, anyways.

Anyone booked any thing nice?

Still hoping for an announcement regarding US borders opening, then I can plan. I've heard rumours we might hear something in May

[bad company]

75Black said:

Still hoping for an announcement regarding US borders opening, then I can plan. I've heard rumours we might hear something in May

There’s been rumours for months, I’ve stopped believing any of them.

Mrs BC and I are desperate to see our son & granddaughters in the USA for the first time since Xmas before last.

[Road2Ruin]

I had a fantastic weekend in Croyde last week. Sun, sea, fish and chips. Traffic was easy and not a huge amount of people. So many wins..

[vaud]

Phil. said:

My wife and I are thinking of booking a few hotel based short breaks outside of school hols until we can travel internationally again.

Any recommendations for country/coastal hotels, perhaps something off the normal tourist list. Nothing special just clean and in reasonable condition. We prefer quiet locations.

The Pheasant in Harome (North Yorkshire) is very nice with outstanding food though may be creeping into special territory.

[kiethton]

Just looked through the red-list, why is the UAE on there? - thought they were ahead of us on the vaccine roll-out?

[Welshbeef]

Given the announcement today that the U.K. is to reduce CO2 emissions by 78% from 1990 levels by 2035 15 years earlier it will mean a significant reduction in flying.


Also massive EV switch from ICE.


So how do we think this will impact holibobs for our future years?