Summer Holidays 2021

[Bill]

Phil. said:

I don’t believe anyone can be this incompetent for so long without a motive or a plan.

This is Boris you're talking about!

[Phil.]

Bill said:

Phil. said:

I don’t believe anyone can be this incompetent for so long without a motive or a plan.

This is Boris you're talking about!

As has been discussed on here a few pages ago, they withheld positive data about the very low number of returners Amber countries who subsequently tested positive until a week after they had extended the lockdown. They also used old data to justify the lockdown extension. That’s not incompetence it’s lying to the plebs to achieve something they want to happen.

[JeffreyD]

What do they achieve by stopping people going on holiday?

I am genuinely at a loss as to what the upside is.

[LuS1fer]

JeffreyD said:

What do they achieve by stopping people going on holiday?

I am genuinely at a loss as to what the upside is.

Making you spend money in the UK to help our deficit.

[Phil.]

JeffreyD said:

What do they achieve by stopping people going on holiday?

I am genuinely at a loss as to what the upside is.

It is a quandary. On the face of it they don’t want us bringing back more virus, but that’s twaddle based on the data, and what other countries are doing.

Getting in to conspiracy theories, it could be green/climate related agenda (which Johnson is aligned to) and wanting to destroy the low cost airline carrier industry. This leads on to the them and us, rich and the plebs agenda, because only the rich would then be able to travel to the same extent going forward. Like it was in the 50’s and 60’s. We’ve seen a lot of this rich and plebs agenda recently with the G7 knees up, Ascot and Wembley. They even changed the law this week to allow UEFA VIP’s to visit the UK without quarantining for the final.

It’s very difficult to understand where this is going presently and why.

[JeffreyD]

LuS1fer said:

Making you spend money in the UK to help our deficit.

Whilst simultaneously fking an entire business sector, pissing off millions of people and wasting the "vaccine rollout" success.
It's not much of a plan, so I suppose it could be a Johnson plan.

This is exactly what happens when you have no strategic plan and lurch from one short term decision to the next.

[rustyuk]

Phil. said:

JeffreyD said:

What do they achieve by stopping people going on holiday?

I am genuinely at a loss as to what the upside is.

It is a quandary. On the face of it they don’t want us bringing back more virus, but that’s twaddle based on the data, and what other countries are doing.

Getting in to conspiracy theories, it could be green/climate related agenda (which Johnson is aligned to) and wanting to destroy the low cost airline carrier industry. This leads on to the them and us, rich and the plebs agenda, because only the rich would then be able to travel to the same extent going forward. Like it was in the 50’s and 60’s. We’ve seen a lot of this rich and plebs agenda recently with the G7 knees up, Ascot and Wembley. They even changed the law this week to allow UEFA VIP’s to visit the UK without quarantining for the final.

It’s very difficult to understand where this is going presently and why.

Boris doesn't care about low cost airlines or the environment, he only cares about being popular and getting votes. It's a shambles because the folks in charge aren't very good at their job.

Companies like EasyJet and Ryanair wouldn't just go under due to no flights from the UK. People from outside the UK catch flights too.

[anonymous-user]

JeffreyD said:

What do they achieve by stopping people going on holiday?

I am genuinely at a loss as to what the upside is.

It seems many in the cabinet like shapps wanted to follow the traffic light (and amber watch list) plan and add to the green list last review but Hancock had to look tough and able to make tough choices before he appeared in front of the select committee.

Impossible to tell though as the government refuse to engage with the travel and tourism industry or share any information about how these decisions are made to help in planning, the U.K. airlines and U.K. travel industry plus U.K. airports and all the associated U.K. companies they support have to be ready for a restart (selling flights and holidays and having employees trained and ready to go) but with no confidence in what the government will do next or if they will even follow their own plans.

The whole idea of the traffic light system was to avoid people getting stuck abroad when statuses changed via the amber watch list and to give people confidence has been suddenly abandoned with no rationale given, presumably it’s just for internal political posturing.

It’s massively damaging to U.K. companies and not helping the U.K. economy at all. This is all about looking tough on the virus for the inevitable inquiries, despite the fact that the time for these restrictions has passed and the vaccine has shown to be effective against these new variants.

[red_slr]

Northern Ireland publishes new green list countries (England and Wales to follow??)

Anguila
Antigua and Barbuda
Balearic islands
Barbados
Bermuda
British Antarctic Territory
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Dominica
Grenada
Madeira
Malta
Montserrat
Pitcairn Islands
Turks and Caicos Islands

[Chris Stott]

Pretty much irrelevant from a passenger volume perspective other than the Balearics.

Still, means the MPs wil be able to go to the Caribbean for their summer hols.

[anonymous-user]

I wonder why no canaries or Greek islands there? I don’t suppose the N I released any info about their decision making?

[Phil.]

El stovey said:

I wonder why no canaries or Greek islands there? I don’t suppose the N I released any info about their decision making?

Cos’ they are destinations for the masses rather than the elites.

[Chris Stott]

Phil. said:

Cos’ they are destinations for the masses rather than the elites.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it does seem a bit like that.... does anyone really trust the testing numbers in the Caribbean?

[Vasco]

El stovey said:

I wonder why no canaries or Greek islands there? I don’t suppose the N I released any info about their decision making?

BBC News all day has said 'adding just Balearics and possibly Malta' - presumably a tip off/nudge.

[JeffreyD]

Chris Stott said:

Phil. said:

Cos’ they are destinations for the masses rather than the elites.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it does seem a bit like that.... does anyone really trust the testing numbers in the Caribbean?

Summer is off season for the Caribbean so the elites don't go there at this time of year, do they?

[Phil.]

England’s Green list:

Anguila

Antigua and Barbuda

Australia

Balearic Islands

Barbados

Bermuda

British Antartic Territory

British Indian Ocean Territory

British Virgin Islands

Brunei

Cayman Islands

Dominica

Falkland Islands

Faroe Islands

Gibraltar

Grenada

Iceland

Israel and Jerusalem

Maderia

Malta

Montserrat

New Zealand

Pitcairn Islands

South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha

Singapore

Turks and Caicos Islands

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9722375/M...

Edited by Phil. on Thursday 24th June 20:05

[anonymous-user]

Not as many as I’d hope but some improvement anyway.

[Boringvolvodriver]

El stovey said:

Not as many as I’d hope but some improvement anyway.

All bar Malta are on the Green watch list so could go Amber at the drop of a hat!

[soxboy]

Pleased that Ibiza on green list (off at end of July), now just hoping it stays green.

[Pete102]

croyde said:

When you say the LFT, do you just have to show the stick thing with a negative result?

No, needs to be administered by a certified organisation and certificate issued. Around 40 euros or so