Summer Holidays 2021
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Shnozz said:
The NHS app already has this feature. Shows date/serial number of your vaccination(s) and at the touch of a button allows you to turn it into a QR code as a vaccination passport for scanning.
Yeah the NHS app is all ready to do this right now.Shapps was asked about it on the news yesterday and said something about not introducing it yet as not everyone had had the chance to have the vaccine? Seemed very odd to me but there you go.
duckson said:
jesusbuiltmycar said:
DoubleSix said:
So, what’s the odds of Macron following Merkel on quarantine for UK visitors?
If Germany or France tested as many people per day as the UK I am sure their numbers would be similar or higher than hours (we are testing 10x more people a day than Germany) ..https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-d...
Although dates are a number of days old but you get the jist.
France and Germany have a history of coordinated political action. I’m concerned France may well move to reflect Germany’s position…
DoubleSix said:
Agreed on both counts, but not really what the question was about.
France and Germany have a history of coordinated political action. I’m concerned France may well move to reflect Germany’s position…
Surely it will be a major surprise if Macron doesn't follow suit.France and Germany have a history of coordinated political action. I’m concerned France may well move to reflect Germany’s position…
As it stands I don't think it's official policy yet is it? I only heard Merkel say "she'd like to see" quarantine for those from 3rd countries.
Until we are fully open as a country it's a policy i'd approve of here anyway.
am i right in thinking even those countries in the EU who rely on UK tourists (spain/greece/portugal and to some extent italy) cannot be forced by EU law to impose 14 day qtn on UK visitors, its still left up to the individual countries to follow "guidance" from EU ?
could be a very strained for week for EU if they dont tow the line, because the fundamentals of the EU is open borders - would the other EU countries then close borders to those countries who dont?
jesusbuiltmycar said:
DoubleSix said:
So, what’s the odds of Macron following Merkel on quarantine for UK visitors?
If Germany or France tested as many people per day as the UK I am sure their numbers would be similar or higher than hours (we are testing 10x more people a day than Germany) ..We have 10X as many cases as back in May but with the same level of testing.
Muddle238 said:
El stovey said:
Bill said:
Did they announce the plan to allow people to dodge quarantine if they've had two jabs? Or just leak the plan? 
I think they’ve just said they’re looking at it or it’s going to happen later.Pretty useless information to plan anything based on it though.
The thing is, once FCO advice is amended to no longer prevent non-essential travel to amber countries and the double-jabbed don’t need to quarantine, we suddenly have the industry back in the game again. Unless you’ve not had both jabs, there’s suddenly less to differentiate between green and amber destinations, from the passenger point of view.
By the time this quarantine exemption arrives (and I’d wager the travel industry applies pressure to govt to expedite the introduction of it), I’d have thought a majority of the under-30s will have had their second jab by then anyway, so the passenger demographic won’t be entirely skewed towards older age groups.
JeffreyD said:
Surely it will be a major surprise if Macron doesn't follow suit.
As it stands I don't think it's official policy yet is it? I only heard Merkel say "she'd like to see" quarantine for those from 3rd countries.
That’s my position also.As it stands I don't think it's official policy yet is it? I only heard Merkel say "she'd like to see" quarantine for those from 3rd countries.
Just doesn’t seem to be getting much attention here or in the media…
Amateurish said:
Depends on the positivity rate really. Obviously, you do more testing if there are more cases...
We have 10X as many cases as back in May but with the same level of testing.
But all this was to save the NHS and with single figure deaths, less than the old influenza, what are we being protected from? When it suits the government obviously...We have 10X as many cases as back in May but with the same level of testing.
Amateurish said:
Maybe they are waiting until every adult has had the opportunity for two jabs? That would counter any argument that it is unfair to open up travel to the double-jabbed?
Perhaps, but then in a similar vein, surely this arrangement is unfair on those who’ve already had both jabs, but are being prohibited to travel because someone else hasn’t had both jabs yet. It’s politically correct to wait for everyone to have had the opportunity for two jabs; it makes it a level playing field without making any age group feel excluded, however it’s not in the interests of the travel and holiday industries to hang about waiting for such niceties. They cannot afford to wait around for everyone to have been offered both jabs, when there’s a demographic of 32 million folk in the UK who are already double-jabbed and effectively ready to travel. IMO.
duckson said:
jesusbuiltmycar said:
DoubleSix said:
So, what’s the odds of Macron following Merkel on quarantine for UK visitors?
If Germany or France tested as many people per day as the UK I am sure their numbers would be similar or higher than hours (we are testing 10x more people a day than Germany) ..https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-d...
Although dates are a number of days old but you get the jist.
% of Covid tests that are positive :
UK 0.6%
Germany 2.7%
France 2.3%
Daily Covid tests per 1,000 people
UK 13.74
Germany 1.4
France 4.1
Start digging into the number of tests per 1,000 people and pretty much the entirety of Europe is doing a fraction of the daily testing we are.
Muddle238 said:
Amateurish said:
Maybe they are waiting until every adult has had the opportunity for two jabs? That would counter any argument that it is unfair to open up travel to the double-jabbed?
Perhaps, but then in a similar vein, surely this arrangement is unfair on those who’ve already had both jabs, but are being prohibited to travel because someone else hasn’t had both jabs yet. It’s politically correct to wait for everyone to have had the opportunity for two jabs; it makes it a level playing field without making any age group feel excluded, however it’s not in the interests of the travel and holiday industries to hang about waiting for such niceties. They cannot afford to wait around for everyone to have been offered both jabs, when there’s a demographic of 32 million folk in the UK who are already double-jabbed and effectively ready to travel. IMO.
Amateurish said:
Maybe they are waiting until every adult has had the opportunity for two jabs? That would counter any argument that it is unfair to open up travel to the double-jabbed?
It’s never going to be fair to base access to anything on who has had two jabs, it is always going to be discriminatory and controlling.
So Malta have swiftly declared all but the double jabbed Brits won't be allowed in without quarantine, in response to being added to the UK green list.
Also frustratingly unclear is the fact that even if you are double jabbed, its still not clear whether the NHS app/QR code will be sufficient proof of vaccination. Seems there is an EU standard for vaccine passport but outside of that its anyone's guess what will or won't be proof of vaccination.
I am sure things are becoming less clear rather than clearer with time.
Also frustratingly unclear is the fact that even if you are double jabbed, its still not clear whether the NHS app/QR code will be sufficient proof of vaccination. Seems there is an EU standard for vaccine passport but outside of that its anyone's guess what will or won't be proof of vaccination.
I am sure things are becoming less clear rather than clearer with time.
Edited by Shnozz on Friday 25th June 14:25
Shnozz said:
So Malta have swiftly declared all but the double jabbed Brits won't be allowed in without quarantine, in response to being added to the UK green list.
Also frustratingly unclear is the fact that even if you are double jabbed, its still not clear whether the NHS app/QR code will be sufficient proof of vaccination. Seems there is an EU standard for vaccine passport but outside of that its anyone's guess what will or won't be proof of vaccination.
I am sure things are becoming less clear rather than clearer with time.
Malta still required a PCR test to enter before this change. Also frustratingly unclear is the fact that even if you are double jabbed, its still not clear whether the NHS app/QR code will be sufficient proof of vaccination. Seems there is an EU standard for vaccine passport but outside of that its anyone's guess what will or won't be proof of vaccination.
I am sure things are becoming less clear rather than clearer with time.
Edited by Shnozz on Friday 25th June 14:25
Looks like the Balearics will do best out of the latest change. No test to enter and now on the green list.
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