Summer Holidays 2021

[anonymous-user]

Welshbeef said:

Phil. said:

Ryanair still offering various other routes in to Spain throughout April.

Well as Boris keeps saying as an answer to any media about overseas holidays he states now it is illegal only business tourism is not permitted.

I guess if you do then you’ve 10days at Marriott costing thousands so if your willing for a bit of Benidorm at that massive extra expense and inconvenience fill her boots.

Isn’t the quarantine only for red destinations?

You can still travel at the moment to and from the U.K. without quarantine depending on the purpose and destination.

You’re saying

Welshbeef said:

Given it’s illegal to go on holidays overseas until after a further update in mid May kind of makes sense doesn’t it

There’s still some flights going though, just not many. Because not everyone is travelling “on overseas holidays”

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 24th February 09:48

[ShoooRn]

We've had our holiday roll over from 2020 which sadly the dates needed to change but at least it's booked - it's a Cornwall trip in a holiday home and even if the pubs aren't open (fully) we're still heading down as going nowhere last year really wore us all out.

I'm planning a weekend hiking in the peaks too but nothing abroad this year.

[Shnozz]

El stovey said:

Welshbeef said:

Phil. said:

Ryanair still offering various other routes in to Spain throughout April.

Well as Boris keeps saying as an answer to any media about overseas holidays he states now it is illegal only business tourism is not permitted.

I guess if you do then you’ve 10days at Marriott costing thousands so if your willing for a bit of Benidorm at that massive extra expense and inconvenience fill her boots.

Isn’t the quarantine only for red destinations?

It is. Although there was some press speculation that Spain and the US might be added to that red list last week but its not happened. From what I see, the SA strain the UK is most concerned about on that red list is diminishing in Spain. Ironically it is the UK strain that seems to be rising in numbers.

[anonymous-user]

Shnozz said:

El stovey said:

Welshbeef said:

Phil. said:

Ryanair still offering various other routes in to Spain throughout April.

Well as Boris keeps saying as an answer to any media about overseas holidays he states now it is illegal only business tourism is not permitted.

I guess if you do then you’ve 10days at Marriott costing thousands so if your willing for a bit of Benidorm at that massive extra expense and inconvenience fill her boots.

Isn’t the quarantine only for red destinations?

It is. Although there was some press speculation that Spain and the US might be added to that red list last week but its not happened. From what I see, the SA strain the UK is most concerned about on that red list is diminishing in Spain. Ironically it is the UK strain that seems to be rising in numbers.

Quite. It just seemed like beefy was confused about who had to quarantine and who might be travelling still at the moment.

[Shnozz]

El stovey said:

Quite. It just seemed like beefy was confused about who had to quarantine and who might be travelling still at the moment.

I think Welshbeef is confused on many subjects..

You do of course need to quarantine, but just not in a hotel.

[Shnozz]

Possibly best for another thread, but I read today how the Galicia region of Spain plans on making vaccination compulsory.

https://www.thelocal.es/20210223/spains-galicia-to...

Certainly seems that vaccination passports might well be necessary.

[Phil.]

Shnozz said:

Possibly best for another thread, but I read today how the Galicia region of Spain plans on making vaccination compulsory.

https://www.thelocal.es/20210223/spains-galicia-to...

Certainly seems that vaccination passports might well be necessary.

Greece seems to be going the same way to open itself to tourists before the rest of the EU.

It’s all political I’m afraid because the vaccine doesn’t prevent a person from catching or spreading COVID, meaning a vaccine passport policy will not protect the local residents in the way it is being purported.

Not that it will matter in couple of months because real COVID infection levels (and risks) are much less now than the same time in 2020, just before the real pandemic hit, and we didn’t need vaccines or masks to survive last summer.

[Shnozz]

Phil. said:

Greece seems to be going the same way to open itself to tourists before the rest of the EU.

It’s all political I’m afraid because the vaccine doesn’t prevent a person from catching or spreading COVID, meaning a vaccine passport policy will not protect the local residents in the way it is being purported.

Not that it will matter in couple of months because real COVID infection levels (and risks) are much less now than the same time in 2020, just before the real pandemic hit, and we didn’t need vaccines or masks to survive last summer.

I was corrected on that last night - welcome news if so.

Pete102 said:

Shnozz said:

To be fair, Spain have issued pretty conflicting statements regarding tourism, not least to perhaps appease a huge tranche of hospitality and tourism reliant industries from lending support to rival political parties. PM Sanchez issued a statement a month prior suggesting Spain wouldn't be having any tourists in before 70% of the population held immunity to the virus, which even at the (then optimistic as it turns out) timescale of vaccination put the doors opening beyond summer so a second year "lost".

This issue of whether the vaccine does anything to prevent onward transmission seems to be a key factor and one that doesn't seemingly appear to be in the news despite its importance. If the vaccine does FA to prevent transmission, only protect the vaccinated individual, then why would a vaccination passport be of any use or any interest? It allows the alien to walk without fear into foreign territories but unless those in that territory have protection, it doesn't help their own people.

I can see in a football stadium, or a concert, how vaccine passports could have a bearing; all present and entering have a vaccination and thus even if the virus roams freely the risk is diminished by those present. To countries that haven't got a degree of immunity either by herd process or vaccinations, until they can decide if the vaccine diminishes transmission, I cannot see what bearing it has.

Both Pfizer and AZ vaccines are showing data that they reduce transmission. AZ is up to 70% I believe, Pfizer over 90%, Israel have the dubious honour of being the live experiment set for that one.

Couple of links, if you're struggling to sleep

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00450-z
https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-rel...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-va...

[Pete102]

Shnozz said:

It's a two pronged attack really, transmission reduced due to the vaccine alongside reduced infection due to seasonality. From June 15th onwards last year travel opened back up in a big way, without a resurgence (this happened once we hit September / October, seasons changed and kids went back to school).

[Poisson96]

I've booked Germany for October (Hasenhorn/Steinwasen Park/Europa Park/Tripsdrill/Holiday Park) and me and a mate are doing a UK trip hopefully in July (Wales and the SW)

[Welshbeef]

Poisson96 said:

I've booked Germany for October (Hasenhorn/Steinwasen Park/Europa Park/Tripsdrill/Holiday Park) and me and a mate are doing a UK trip hopefully in July (Wales and the SW)

I’m wondering if Wales will permit entry in from N Ireland Scotland or England. Maybe many be not.

[Poisson96]

It's all cancellable so we'll see.

[Wiltshire Lad]

Biggest problems with flying anywhere this summer are as I see it:

1. Currently there are NO travel corridors so even coming back from non red list countries you will be expected to self isolate at home for min 5 days.
2.Proposed vaccination passport may well get you into other countries - but since vaccination only reduces the chances of catching Covid (it seems) - it won't get you back. Currently each individual will require negative PCR test - which are currently £120 or so a pop.
3. IF you do test positive - you're not getting on a flight home - so prepare for an extended stay at your expense.
4. Most foreign holidays are at least a week. Time from identifying a new variant somewhere and the UK government adding that destination to the Red List could be as little as 3 days. So you may well end up facing 10 days in a Gatwick Travellodge.

Not exactly the ingredients for a relaxing break .....I'm heading to the Lakes. My BA vouchers will wait..

[Welshbeef]

I read in the news that the Kent Variant has a longer incubation period so the hotel stay might have to INCREASE

[Deep Thought]

Wiltshire Lad said:

Biggest problems with flying anywhere this summer are as I see it:

1. Currently there are NO travel corridors so even coming back from non red list countries you will be expected to self isolate at home for min 5 days.
2.Proposed vaccination passport may well get you into other countries - but since vaccination only reduces the chances of catching Covid (it seems) - it won't get you back. Currently each individual will require negative PCR test - which are currently £120 or so a pop.
3. IF you do test positive - you're not getting on a flight home - so prepare for an extended stay at your expense.
4. Most foreign holidays are at least a week. Time from identifying a new variant somewhere and the UK government adding that destination to the Red List could be as little as 3 days. So you may well end up facing 10 days in a Gatwick Travellodge.

Not exactly the ingredients for a relaxing break .....I'm heading to the Lakes. My BA vouchers will wait..

1. Not insurmountable, particular with the likes of Spain so reliant on tourism. I think come mid May onwards they will be very keen to facilitate that.
2. See above.
3. Travel insurance covers this. Most policies now have a Covid update in them and facilitate hospital stays, extended stays because of Covid.
4. Not insurmountable either. If infection rates are tracking downwards which they are and will be, it wouldnt be difficult to offer an assurance that status wont change. Holiday companies are offering the option to change dates anyway, but yes, you would have to factor in the small risk of requiring quarantine upon return. It would have to take a massive and quick status change to move to Red, which i think would be unlikely and controlled.

Many hundreds of thousands of people had very successful foreign holidays last summer and that was before we had the vaccine rollout.

If you want to assume the worst possible scenarios then booking a foreign holiday is not for you though and have a (for most people) very expensive staycation instead.

Edited by Deep Thought on Thursday 25th February 11:57

[anonymous-user]

Deep Thought said:

Wiltshire Lad said:

Biggest problems with flying anywhere this summer are as I see it:

1. Currently there are NO travel corridors so even coming back from non red list countries you will be expected to self isolate at home for min 5 days.
2.Proposed vaccination passport may well get you into other countries - but since vaccination only reduces the chances of catching Covid (it seems) - it won't get you back. Currently each individual will require negative PCR test - which are currently £120 or so a pop.
3. IF you do test positive - you're not getting on a flight home - so prepare for an extended stay at your expense.
4. Most foreign holidays are at least a week. Time from identifying a new variant somewhere and the UK government adding that destination to the Red List could be as little as 3 days. So you may well end up facing 10 days in a Gatwick Travellodge.

Not exactly the ingredients for a relaxing break .....I'm heading to the Lakes. My BA vouchers will wait..

1. Not insurmountable, particular with the likes of Spain so reliant on tourism. I think come mid May onwards they will be very keen to facilitate that.
2. See above.
3. Travel insurance covers this. Most policies now have a Covid update in them and facilitate hospital stays, extended stays because of Covid.
4. Not insurmountable either. If infection rates are tracking downwards which they are and will be, it wouldnt be difficult to offer an assurance that status wont change. Holiday companies are offering the option to change dates anyway, but yes, you would have to factor in the small risk of requiring quarantine upon return. It would have to take a massive and quick status change to move to Red, which i think would be unlikely and controlled.

Indeed, people are all looking at the summer based on what the situation is now. It’s going to be very different even by may let alone July and august.

[anonymous-user]

Deep Thought said:

Many hundreds of thousands of people had very successful foreign holidays last summer and that was before we had the vaccine rollout.

If you want to assume the worst then booking a foreign holiday is not for you though.

This again.

These travel threads were the same last year in March and loads of people got away to Europe with no quarantines in summer.

Everyone views the risk or what’s worth it differently.

People in February predicting something’s not going to be possible in summer are unlikely to enjoy going away for a long time anyway.

[Deep Thought]

El stovey said:

Indeed, people are all looking at the summer based on what the situation is now. It’s going to be very different even by may let alone July and august.

Exactly.

There were hundreds of thousands of people who had very enjoyable, successful summer holidays last year and that was before the vaccine programme.

Last year neither my wife nor i had the option of a vaccine, my wife is CEV and i have an underlying health condition so we declined the opportunity of a foreign holiday. This year both of us will be vaccinated by the summer.

Definitely not having another year of no holidays / expensive staycations if we can at all avoid it.

[Deep Thought]

El stovey said:

Deep Thought said:

Many hundreds of thousands of people had very successful foreign holidays last summer and that was before we had the vaccine rollout.

If you want to assume the worst then booking a foreign holiday is not for you though.

This again.

These travel threads were the same last year in March and loads of people got away to Europe with no quarantines in summer.

Everyone views the risk or what’s worth it differently.

People in February predicting something’s not going to be possible in summer are unlikely to enjoy going away for a long time anyway.

[Pete102]

Welshbeef said:

I read in the news that the Kent Variant has a longer incubation period so the hotel stay might have to INCREASE

Source please.

This public health director seems to think otherwise: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/sh...

This study indicates that the Kent variant is broadly similar to all other variants albeit, with increased transmissibility: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/no-evidence-change-symp...

Finally, this study does not appear to draw a significant distinction between serial interval periods for variants under investigation: https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210106/Researc...

Edited by Pete102 on Thursday 25th February 12:39