Summer Holidays 2021
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Another Easy Jet flight in April has now been cancelled and they are finishing processing my March flight refund after 28 days.
Though the Easy Jet website is littered with "Take voucher" with some really bad incentive attached, I have clicked the tiny, tiny "Refund Request" again as I'd rather have the money in my account, not theirs and it still looks pretty uncertain for the immediate future.
Though the Easy Jet website is littered with "Take voucher" with some really bad incentive attached, I have clicked the tiny, tiny "Refund Request" again as I'd rather have the money in my account, not theirs and it still looks pretty uncertain for the immediate future.
Deep Thought said:
"The ‘sanitary certificate’ will show whether the citizen has been infected, if he/ she is vaccinated and whether he/ she has had a recent negative test for the virus." - doesnt sound much different to having evidence of being vaccinated and / or having a negative test before you go.
Cant see them getting that formally rolled out across Europe by the summer given, by their own admittance this is to be done “in a way not yet identified”
I think for all the postulation by various countries / individuals / politicians when the fit hits the shan and its either dont let people in at all or wait on a centrally european wide "certificate" of some sort to be widely available, they'll fall back on either vaccine or neg test before travel.
3 months and ready apparently. Cant see them getting that formally rolled out across Europe by the summer given, by their own admittance this is to be done “in a way not yet identified”
I think for all the postulation by various countries / individuals / politicians when the fit hits the shan and its either dont let people in at all or wait on a centrally european wide "certificate" of some sort to be widely available, they'll fall back on either vaccine or neg test before travel.
Edited by Deep Thought on Friday 26th February 15:58
Via Euronews: Vaccine certificates could be available within three months, says EU chief
https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/25/vaccine-certif...
But...Germany etc not convinced yet so nothing written in stone however the EC is moving in this direction with support from countries that want vital tourism reopened.
Coolbananas said:
3 months and ready apparently.
Via Euronews: Vaccine certificates could be available within three months, says EU chief
https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/25/vaccine-certif...
But...Germany etc not convinced yet so nothing written in stone however the EC is moving in this direction with support from countries that want vital tourism reopened.
Three months just for the technical bit - "lots of work" required over and above that.Via Euronews: Vaccine certificates could be available within three months, says EU chief
https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/25/vaccine-certif...
But...Germany etc not convinced yet so nothing written in stone however the EC is moving in this direction with support from countries that want vital tourism reopened.
""The time frame, the three months is regarding the technical development, so we do need at least three months for the technical development of an interoperable system on the European level. There is lots of work to do by the Commission on the European level and lots of work to do technically for the member states on the national level," von der Leyen explained."
Then get everyone who wants one enrolled and issued with a document. Seems very very unlikely that could be implemented any time soon.
I dont particularly mind either way, but i think having a pan european, connected, traceable, trustable system up and running this side of the summer is unrealistic to say the least.
Edited by Deep Thought on Friday 26th February 21:22
Deep Thought said:
I dont particularly mind either way, but i think having a pan european, connected, traceable, trustable system up and running this side of the summer is unrealistic to say the least.
It won’t be a connected, traceable etc. system. Just as the form filling on the return to the UK last summer wasn’t either. But whatever system is introduced will be backed by large fines or jail terms to ensure the public fill in the forms and comply. That’s unless you are in the government or wealthy in which case different rules will apply. Edited by Deep Thought on Friday 26th February 21:22
Phil. said:
Deep Thought said:
I dont particularly mind either way, but i think having a pan european, connected, traceable, trustable system up and running this side of the summer is unrealistic to say the least.
It won’t be a connected, traceable etc. system. Just as the form filling on the return to the UK last summer wasn’t either. But whatever system is introduced will be backed by large fines or jail terms to ensure the public fill in the forms and comply. That’s unless you are in the government or wealthy in which case different rules will apply. Edited by Deep Thought on Friday 26th February 21:22
Assuming Spain actually want holiday makers this summer - and i dont think they can afford not to - then whatever they do has to "work". I cant see any warrantable vaccine certificate being ready and working in that timeframe personally, so that takes us back to either evidence of vaccination and / or a negative test.
As i said, i'm not personally bothered. I dont have any moral / human rights / legal objection to it being a requirement for travel and my wife and i will have had both doses of the vaccine by the end of May anyway, so its not like i'm talking it down because of personal reasons to do so. I'd just be very very surprised if something could be pulled together in that timeframe.
Deep Thought said:
Seems fairly pointless if its effectively going to be self certifying and / or easily faked.
Assuming Spain actually want holiday makers this summer - and i dont think they can afford not to - then whatever they do has to "work". I cant see any warrantable vaccine certificate being ready and working in that timeframe personally, so that takes us back to either evidence of vaccination and / or a negative test.
As i said, i'm not personally bothered. I don't have any moral / human rights / legal objection to it being a requirement for travel and my wife and i will have had both doses of the vaccine by the end of May anyway, so its not like i'm talking it down because of personal reasons to do so. I'd just be very very surprised if something could be pulled together in that timeframe.
Before France shut up shop, you had to self-declare that you hadn't recently had symptoms etc. (Italy also I believe). Its a half-way house until the full system can be rolled out, but as I think we all agree here, that's not a quick process and likely to happen any time soon. Assuming Spain actually want holiday makers this summer - and i dont think they can afford not to - then whatever they do has to "work". I cant see any warrantable vaccine certificate being ready and working in that timeframe personally, so that takes us back to either evidence of vaccination and / or a negative test.
As i said, i'm not personally bothered. I don't have any moral / human rights / legal objection to it being a requirement for travel and my wife and i will have had both doses of the vaccine by the end of May anyway, so its not like i'm talking it down because of personal reasons to do so. I'd just be very very surprised if something could be pulled together in that timeframe.
Deep Thought said:
Seems fairly pointless if its effectively going to be self certifying and / or easily faked.
Assuming Spain actually want holiday makers this summer - and i dont think they can afford not to - then whatever they do has to "work". I cant see any warrantable vaccine certificate being ready and working in that timeframe personally, so that takes us back to either evidence of vaccination and / or a negative test.
As i said, i'm not personally bothered. I dont have any moral / human rights / legal objection to it being a requirement for travel and my wife and i will have had both doses of the vaccine by the end of May anyway, so its not like i'm talking it down because of personal reasons to do so. I'd just be very very surprised if something could be pulled together in that timeframe.
I suspect most countries, given the UK vaccination levels will accept that on the balance of probabilities the person has been vaccinated, especially by late summer and so presents less risk to the locals than a local?Assuming Spain actually want holiday makers this summer - and i dont think they can afford not to - then whatever they do has to "work". I cant see any warrantable vaccine certificate being ready and working in that timeframe personally, so that takes us back to either evidence of vaccination and / or a negative test.
As i said, i'm not personally bothered. I dont have any moral / human rights / legal objection to it being a requirement for travel and my wife and i will have had both doses of the vaccine by the end of May anyway, so its not like i'm talking it down because of personal reasons to do so. I'd just be very very surprised if something could be pulled together in that timeframe.
Scenic Cruise around the UK from Southampton anyone? Starting July / August.
Latest P&O Iona ship, balcony room, all inclusive. Might be an alternative to a staycation / risk of foreign travel.
https://www.iglucruise.com/iona/7th-august-2021_c2...
Latest P&O Iona ship, balcony room, all inclusive. Might be an alternative to a staycation / risk of foreign travel.
https://www.iglucruise.com/iona/7th-august-2021_c2...
Might have been answered earlier, but like many I have a BA voucher due to cancelled flights.
It appears that BA will be insisting on proof of vaccination before travel, which begs the (partly) hypothetical question whether someone who does not wish to be vaccinated (and there are many very good reasons for this) should be offered a refund because BA won't let them fly.
It appears that BA will be insisting on proof of vaccination before travel, which begs the (partly) hypothetical question whether someone who does not wish to be vaccinated (and there are many very good reasons for this) should be offered a refund because BA won't let them fly.
SCEtoAUX said:
Might have been answered earlier, but like many I have a BA voucher due to cancelled flights.
It appears that BA will be insisting on proof of vaccination before travel, which begs the (partly) hypothetical question whether someone who does not wish to be vaccinated (and there are many very good reasons for this) should be offered a refund because BA won't let them fly.
Sounds like a change of contract post agreement to me - ergo full refund should be offered if they're declining service siting new termsIt appears that BA will be insisting on proof of vaccination before travel, which begs the (partly) hypothetical question whether someone who does not wish to be vaccinated (and there are many very good reasons for this) should be offered a refund because BA won't let them fly.
SCEtoAUX said:
Might have been answered earlier, but like many I have a BA voucher due to cancelled flights.
It appears that BA will be insisting on proof of vaccination before travel, which begs the (partly) hypothetical question whether someone who does not wish to be vaccinated (and there are many very good reasons for this) should be offered a refund because BA won't let them fly.
I would assume yes. It will be so few people that it probably won't be an issue for BA as uptake is so high.It appears that BA will be insisting on proof of vaccination before travel, which begs the (partly) hypothetical question whether someone who does not wish to be vaccinated (and there are many very good reasons for this) should be offered a refund because BA won't let them fly.
SCEtoAUX said:
Might have been answered earlier, but like many I have a BA voucher due to cancelled flights.
It appears that BA will be insisting on proof of vaccination before travel, which begs the (partly) hypothetical question whether someone who does not wish to be vaccinated (and there are many very good reasons for this) should be offered a refund because BA won't let them fly.
Might also mean if said individuals cannot or choose not to have the vaccine flying may no longer be a viable travel. Instead drive to Europe or ferry’s It appears that BA will be insisting on proof of vaccination before travel, which begs the (partly) hypothetical question whether someone who does not wish to be vaccinated (and there are many very good reasons for this) should be offered a refund because BA won't let them fly.
SCEtoAUX said:
Might have been answered earlier, but like many I have a BA voucher due to cancelled flights.
It appears that BA will be insisting on proof of vaccination before travel, which begs the (partly) hypothetical question whether someone who does not wish to be vaccinated (and there are many very good reasons for this) should be offered a refund because BA won't let them fly.
You would be entitled to a full refund anyway. You are not required to accept a voucher.It appears that BA will be insisting on proof of vaccination before travel, which begs the (partly) hypothetical question whether someone who does not wish to be vaccinated (and there are many very good reasons for this) should be offered a refund because BA won't let them fly.
Deep Thought said:
Scenic Cruise around the UK from Southampton anyone? Starting July / August.
Latest P&O Iona ship, balcony room, all inclusive. Might be an alternative to a staycation / risk of foreign travel.
https://www.iglucruise.com/iona/7th-august-2021_c2...
P&O boss on TV earlier confirming that proof of 2 jabs will be required on boarding their cruises (presumably includes those remaining in UK). Confirmed that children and those unwilling to have vaccine will not be accepted.Latest P&O Iona ship, balcony room, all inclusive. Might be an alternative to a staycation / risk of foreign travel.
https://www.iglucruise.com/iona/7th-august-2021_c2...
Vasco said:
Deep Thought said:
Scenic Cruise around the UK from Southampton anyone? Starting July / August.
Latest P&O Iona ship, balcony room, all inclusive. Might be an alternative to a staycation / risk of foreign travel.
https://www.iglucruise.com/iona/7th-august-2021_c2...
P&O boss on TV earlier confirming that proof of 2 jabs will be required on boarding their cruises (presumably includes those remaining in UK). Confirmed that children and those unwilling to have vaccine will not be accepted.Latest P&O Iona ship, balcony room, all inclusive. Might be an alternative to a staycation / risk of foreign travel.
https://www.iglucruise.com/iona/7th-august-2021_c2...
I wonder how many people they’ll get wanting to go on a cruise and have had both vaccinations?
This vaccine passport is grotesquely unfair to young people.
They're the ones who have lost their jobs, they're the ones who'll be paying for it for years to come, they're the ones who are almost certainy not going to get ill if they catch COVID, they're the ones who have likely been cooped up in small flats without a garden to enjoy, yet they'll be the last ones to have two vaccines.
So a load of old people will be able to jog off on holiday, but the 20 and 30 somethings who really could use a holiday, and damned well deserve one, will be stuck in the UK.
It's just wrong, but the politicians don't care because these same young people are not their core voters.
They're the ones who have lost their jobs, they're the ones who'll be paying for it for years to come, they're the ones who are almost certainy not going to get ill if they catch COVID, they're the ones who have likely been cooped up in small flats without a garden to enjoy, yet they'll be the last ones to have two vaccines.
So a load of old people will be able to jog off on holiday, but the 20 and 30 somethings who really could use a holiday, and damned well deserve one, will be stuck in the UK.
It's just wrong, but the politicians don't care because these same young people are not their core voters.
El stovey said:
Vasco said:
Deep Thought said:
Scenic Cruise around the UK from Southampton anyone? Starting July / August.
Latest P&O Iona ship, balcony room, all inclusive. Might be an alternative to a staycation / risk of foreign travel.
https://www.iglucruise.com/iona/7th-august-2021_c2...
P&O boss on TV earlier confirming that proof of 2 jabs will be required on boarding their cruises (presumably includes those remaining in UK). Confirmed that children and those unwilling to have vaccine will not be accepted.Latest P&O Iona ship, balcony room, all inclusive. Might be an alternative to a staycation / risk of foreign travel.
https://www.iglucruise.com/iona/7th-august-2021_c2...
I wonder how many people they’ll get wanting to go on a cruise and have had both vaccinations?
The bulk of cruisers will be likely 50+ anyway so will almost certainly be vaccinated.
I dont think they are proposing running with full ships or anywhere near it, so probably only need a couple of thousand people.
abzmike said:
Might be interesting for cruise sceptics to go on a 2 night cruise to nowhere to see what it's like.
Apart from that don't see the appeal over going to a nice hotel for the weekend, but with a load more agro.
It has its merits - all inclusive, full entertainment package day and night, 12-15 restaurants, various bars, etc - and i guess there will be enough people who would normally cruise that this would suit to make it worthwhile.Apart from that don't see the appeal over going to a nice hotel for the weekend, but with a load more agro.
I would say partly a PR exercise to restore confidence.
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