Summer Holidays 2021

[Deep Thought]

SCEtoAUX said:

This vaccine passport is grotesquely unfair to young people.

They're the ones who have lost their jobs, they're the ones who'll be paying for it for years to come, they're the ones who are almost certainy not going to get ill if they catch COVID, they're the ones who have likely been cooped up in small flats without a garden to enjoy, yet they'll be the last ones to have two vaccines.

So a load of old people will be able to jog off on holiday, but the 20 and 30 somethings who really could use a holiday, and damned well deserve one, will be stuck in the UK.

It's just wrong, but the politicians don't care because these same young people are not their core voters.

It is unfair but it does seem thats what other countries want. Their people want to know that a massive influx of brits isnt going to have a knock on effect on their ability to contain COVID.

I would have thought it will boil down to a full vaccination OR a negative test before travel, particularly once countries realise they arent getting the volume of tourists they need because of this.

[Welshbeef]

SCEtoAUX said:

This vaccine passport is grotesquely unfair to young people.

They're the ones who have lost their jobs, they're the ones who'll be paying for it for years to come, they're the ones who are almost certainy not going to get ill if they catch COVID, they're the ones who have likely been cooped up in small flats without a garden to enjoy, yet they'll be the last ones to have two vaccines.

So a load of old people will be able to jog off on holiday, but the 20 and 30 somethings who really could use a holiday, and damned well deserve one, will be stuck in the UK.

It's just wrong, but the politicians don't care because these same young people are not their core voters.

As you rightly say they are the most reliant on Furlough and have the least to spend so even considering holidays&expense is a little too soon.
2022 might be an option/actually young people don’t normally like to go on hols in School holiday time so nothing wrong with Sept-Nov sun holidays in 2021.

[elise2000]

SCEtoAUX said:

This vaccine passport is grotesquely unfair to young people.

They're the ones who have lost their jobs, they're the ones who'll be paying for it for years to come, they're the ones who are almost certainy not going to get ill if they catch COVID, they're the ones who have likely been cooped up in small flats without a garden to enjoy, yet they'll be the last ones to have two vaccines.

So a load of old people will be able to jog off on holiday, but the 20 and 30 somethings who really could use a holiday, and damned well deserve one, will be stuck in the UK.

It's just wrong, but the politicians don't care because these same young people are not their core voters.

Well said

[Jaguar steve]

elise2000 said:

SCEtoAUX said:

This vaccine passport is grotesquely unfair to young people.

They're the ones who have lost their jobs, they're the ones who'll be paying for it for years to come, they're the ones who are almost certainy not going to get ill if they catch COVID, they're the ones who have likely been cooped up in small flats without a garden to enjoy, yet they'll be the last ones to have two vaccines.

So a load of old people will be able to jog off on holiday, but the 20 and 30 somethings who really could use a holiday, and damned well deserve one, will be stuck in the UK.

It's just wrong, but the politicians don't care because these same young people are not their core voters.

Well said

Older people are being vaccinated and would therefore qualify for a vaccine passport first because they are the most susceptible to serious illness and death from Covid. That's nothing to do with politics and everything to do with science.

It's definitely not because after a lifetime of working and saving and paying tax they can swan off fully vaccinated for a month in the sunshine and laugh their cocks off when they flick through the satellite channels and see the traffic reports and weather forecast back in the UK.

Younger people's turn will come

[Welshbeef]

So given the breaking news that vaccines from 31/3/21 no new bookings and to be delayed by a month.

This is going to have a knock on effect for those not yet jabbed meaning day you were due 1/4/21 then second by the end of 3 months ie 30/6/21 this would now be 31/7/21.

Now anyone in 40’s would have expected first jab during may so second during July meaning hols overseas in Aug was possible.... now clearly it isn’t.

Holiday prices are going to ramp up now in a narrower holiday timeframe.

Plenty of countries require 2 jabs plus the 2-3 weeks after the second to allow firstly air travel and also entry to their country.

[ecsrobin]

Welshbeef said:

So given the breaking news that vaccines from 31/3/21 no new bookings and to be delayed by a month.

This is going to have a knock on effect for those not yet jabbed meaning day you were due 1/4/21 then second by the end of 3 months ie 30/6/21 this would now be 31/7/21.

Now anyone in 40’s would have expected first jab during may so second during July meaning hols overseas in Aug was possible.... now clearly it isn’t.

Holiday prices are going to ramp up now in a narrower holiday timeframe.

Plenty of countries require 2 jabs plus the 2-3 weeks after the second to allow firstly air travel and also entry to their country.

Although the EU passport whilst still vague as it’s in its infancy is suggesting a negative test or vaccinated so may still enable people to get away. It’s a very fluid situation, this week they’ve been doubling the amount of injections they’ve been doing. That could happen in 2 months time and suddenly everyone’s date is forward a month.

[Welshbeef]

ecsrobin said:

Although the EU passport whilst still vague as it’s in its infancy is suggesting a negative test or vaccinated so may still enable people to get away. It’s a very fluid situation, this week they’ve been doubling the amount of injections they’ve been doing. That could happen in 2 months time and suddenly everyone’s date is forward a month.

Ah you’ve not read the breaking news OUR supply has been delayed by a month. There will not be additional supply in a months time meaning you can catch up it is what it is.

[stevemcs]

I've still not looked at holidays abroad, i still don't see them happening. If the EU wants two vaccinations then that's them screwed given they are so far behind, with them being on the verge of a third wave i'd rather travel to the EU is banned/restricted until they are sorted out. Yes it may affect there tourism but quite clearly the EU want to play dirty by suggesting they would block exports of the vaccine. I would rather spend another year stuck in the UK if it means come June all restrictions are lifted rather than continue as we are for the next 5 years.

[PF62]

Deep Thought said:

abzmike said:

Might be interesting for cruise sceptics to go on a 2 night cruise to nowhere to see what it's like.
Apart from that don't see the appeal over going to a nice hotel for the weekend, but with a load more agro.

It has its merits - all inclusive, full entertainment package day and night, 12-15 restaurants, various bars, etc - and i guess there will be enough people who would normally cruise that this would suit to make it worthwhile.

I would say partly a PR exercise to restore confidence.

It isn’t all inclusive and is a cruise to nowhere, and is a cruise to nowhere where the weather isn’t likely to be great either.

Can’t see many takers.

[GT03ROB]

SCEtoAUX said:

This vaccine passport is grotesquely unfair to young people.

They're the ones who have lost their jobs, they're the ones who'll be paying for it for years to come, they're the ones who are almost certainy not going to get ill if they catch COVID, they're the ones who have likely been cooped up in small flats without a garden to enjoy, yet they'll be the last ones to have two vaccines.

So a load of old people will be able to jog off on holiday, but the 20 and 30 somethings who really could use a holiday, and damned well deserve one, will be stuck in the UK.

It's just wrong, but the politicians don't care because these same young people are not their core voters.

If they’ve lost their jobs they shouldn’t need a holiday nor be able to afford one.
If they didn’t spend large sums on holidays they may not be cooped up in small flats with no gardens.
People don’t need foreign holidays, a break yes.

It’s all very much a 1st world problem.

Incidentally I flew out of Heathrow this morning & nobody is checking how legitimate your reasons are for travelling......if anybody wants to fly out somwhere

[Welshbeef]

GT03ROB said:

If they’ve lost their jobs they shouldn’t need a holiday nor be able to afford one.
If they didn’t spend large sums on holidays they may not be cooped up in small flats with no gardens.
People don’t need foreign holidays, a break yes.

It’s all very much a 1st world problem.

Incidentally I flew out of Heathrow this morning & nobody is checking how legitimate your reasons are for travelling......if anybody wants to fly out somwhere

Can you report that to the police as we cannot have woeful adherence to the law/rules.

[Deep Thought]

PF62 said:

Deep Thought said:

abzmike said:

Might be interesting for cruise sceptics to go on a 2 night cruise to nowhere to see what it's like.
Apart from that don't see the appeal over going to a nice hotel for the weekend, but with a load more agro.

It has its merits - all inclusive, full entertainment package day and night, 12-15 restaurants, various bars, etc - and i guess there will be enough people who would normally cruise that this would suit to make it worthwhile.

I would say partly a PR exercise to restore confidence.

It isn’t all inclusive and is a cruise to nowhere, and is a cruise to nowhere where the weather isn’t likely to be great either.

Can’t see many takers.

Ah, you're right - full board with orange, tea, coffee avail at certain times.

Drinks packages available.

They dont need a big amount of takers though in the grand scheme of things.

We'd do it if it was from Belfast or Dublin (or you could embark there), but flights (and likely accommodation) to Southampton would make it fairly cost prohibitive.

But, for someone living in the South of England, it might well work for them.

[Taita]

Welshbeef said:

GT03ROB said:

If they’ve lost their jobs they shouldn’t need a holiday nor be able to afford one.
If they didn’t spend large sums on holidays they may not be cooped up in small flats with no gardens.
People don’t need foreign holidays, a break yes.

It’s all very much a 1st world problem.

Incidentally I flew out of Heathrow this morning & nobody is checking how legitimate your reasons are for travelling......if anybody wants to fly out somwhere

Can you report that to the police as we cannot have woeful adherence to the law/rules.

I'm sure he'll get right onto that.

[Deep Thought]

SCEtoAUX said:

This vaccine passport is grotesquely unfair to young people.

They're the ones who have lost their jobs, they're the ones who'll be paying for it for years to come, they're the ones who are almost certainy not going to get ill if they catch COVID, they're the ones who have likely been cooped up in small flats without a garden to enjoy, yet they'll be the last ones to have two vaccines.

So a load of old people will be able to jog off on holiday, but the 20 and 30 somethings who really could use a holiday, and damned well deserve one, will be stuck in the UK.

It's just wrong, but the politicians don't care because these same young people are not their core voters.

Life is grostequely unfair.

But conversely, there are some 30 million people in the priority groups who will likely be fully vaccinated by then, many of whom - in fact the majority of whom - are still working.

And lets not forget - young people were able to go on holidays last year when many of those in the priority groups couldnt.

[Welshbeef]

Deep Thought said:

Life is grostequely unfair.

But conversely, there are some 30 million people in the priority groups who will likely be fully vaccinated by then, many of whom - in fact the majority of whom - are still working.

And lets not forget - young people were able to go on holidays last year when many of those in the priority groups couldnt.

Second point is very pertinent.

[Taita]

Deep Thought said:

SCEtoAUX said:

This vaccine passport is grotesquely unfair to young people.

They're the ones who have lost their jobs, they're the ones who'll be paying for it for years to come, they're the ones who are almost certainy not going to get ill if they catch COVID, they're the ones who have likely been cooped up in small flats without a garden to enjoy, yet they'll be the last ones to have two vaccines.

So a load of old people will be able to jog off on holiday, but the 20 and 30 somethings who really could use a holiday, and damned well deserve one, will be stuck in the UK.

It's just wrong, but the politicians don't care because these same young people are not their core voters.

Life is grostequely unfair.

But conversely, there are some 30 million people in the priority groups who will likely be fully vaccinated by then, many of whom - in fact the majority of whom - are still working.

And lets not forget - young people were able to go on holidays last year when many of those in the priority groups couldnt.

Were there age restrictions on outbound flights? Or do you mean the elderly were at more risk and chose to not take holidays?

Not having a pop, just not sure if I missed something.

[GT03ROB]

Welshbeef said:

GT03ROB said:

If they’ve lost their jobs they shouldn’t need a holiday nor be able to afford one.
If they didn’t spend large sums on holidays they may not be cooped up in small flats with no gardens.
People don’t need foreign holidays, a break yes.

It’s all very much a 1st world problem.

Incidentally I flew out of Heathrow this morning & nobody is checking how legitimate your reasons are for travelling......if anybody wants to fly out somwhere

Can you report that to the police as we cannot have woeful adherence to the law/rules.

What report the police to the police for not enforcing the rules?

If it’s any consolation the Germans weren’t enforcing their rules either. Just my local bunch of ‘stan border police being over zealous as a problem, though a quick call to their boss sorted that!

[a311]

A lot of southern European countries economies are heavily reliant on tourism. Places like Spain, I'd heard had 65M less tourists last year. If they don't get to trade this year they'll either have to go to the wall or be bailed out. I'd expect come the summer vaccinations rates and so on will be largely irrelevant as the virus dies down due to seasonality.

I'm nit hugely arsed about going abroad this year, I think it will be too much hassle. I'd want some assurance that the ruh wouldn't be pulled from under people's feet with travel windows being shut etc

[Road2Ruin]

There will be so many countries that don't care about the vacines and welcome tourists regardless that going somewhere won't be a problem. The biggest hurdle will be the UK government and quarantine when you come back.

[stevemcs]

Road2Ruin said:

There will be so many countries that don't care about the vacines and welcome tourists regardless that going somewhere won't be a problem. The biggest hurdle will be the UK government and quarantine when you come back.

I don't see that as a hurdle, just being sensible.