Flights still going in lockdown - who and why?
Discussion
red_slr said:
I think I heard today that the recovery could take 3-4 years to reach 2019 levels. (RR outlook?)
I think we will see a c.80% bounce back next year.
BUT, I think that final 20% could be frustrating, like you say so many business people have now moved to online meetings. And I think there will be some who will be put off for a while - mainly older people.
I think the package holiday sector will recover fast. The likes of TUI and Jet2 will probably see things pick back up very quickly. However companies like BA etal might have a tougher time as a % of their customers are business users.
Virgin who are in the middle of business and tourist markets might be ok.
One thing for sure I can see holiday prices going through the roof.
Being a lanky streak of piss I tend to travel in business class when flying long haul. From most of my semi recent trips I’d say business class is a bit of a misnomer and giving the shrinking cabins and pricing systems etc I’d say airlines are already adapting to the demand for business travel vs leisure. Aiming luxury travel at leisure travellers is where the future lies but that’s not news to airlines, covid has just expedited that process massively.I think we will see a c.80% bounce back next year.
BUT, I think that final 20% could be frustrating, like you say so many business people have now moved to online meetings. And I think there will be some who will be put off for a while - mainly older people.
I think the package holiday sector will recover fast. The likes of TUI and Jet2 will probably see things pick back up very quickly. However companies like BA etal might have a tougher time as a % of their customers are business users.
Virgin who are in the middle of business and tourist markets might be ok.
One thing for sure I can see holiday prices going through the roof.
Why would the industry jeopardise its recovery with massive price hikes? Fuel is cheap, skilled labour is relatively plentiful and therefore potentially cheaper than before, every destination will be crying out for customers and competing to attract them. I see prices staying low for a good while yet. The answer is not to deter people from travel but to entice people back onboard. My view is backed by the recent very generous sale prices offered by many airlines. They want your cash and hiking prices is not going to tempt enough.
I do agree with your 80/20 figure though. With the recent casualties and undoubtedly with a few more to come I think supply will align a lot closer to demand than many on here think. I may well be proven wrong though. Either way I can’t wait to get away again.
The influencers going to Dubai.
Have just buggered up freight rates for Britain’s exporters.
Emirates and Etihad are used a lot for cargo
Less flights. Means less capacity means higher rates.
Well done steroid munching protein glugging bleached teeth knobtards
Just what we need in a pandemic
Have just buggered up freight rates for Britain’s exporters.
Emirates and Etihad are used a lot for cargo
Less flights. Means less capacity means higher rates.
Well done steroid munching protein glugging bleached teeth knobtards
Just what we need in a pandemic
dirky dirk said:
The influencers going to Dubai.
Have just buggered up freight rates for Britain’s exporters.
Emirates and Etihad are used a lot for cargo
Less flights. Means less capacity means higher rates.
Well done steroid munching protein glugging bleached teeth knobtards
Just what we need in a pandemic
Reduced travelling due to covid means fewer flights, so what do you mean by this post?Have just buggered up freight rates for Britain’s exporters.
Emirates and Etihad are used a lot for cargo
Less flights. Means less capacity means higher rates.
Well done steroid munching protein glugging bleached teeth knobtards
Just what we need in a pandemic
bennno said:
dirky dirk said:
The influencers going to Dubai.
Have just buggered up freight rates for Britain’s exporters.
Emirates and Etihad are used a lot for cargo
Less flights. Means less capacity means higher rates.
Well done steroid munching protein glugging bleached teeth knobtards
Just what we need in a pandemic
Reduced travelling due to covid means fewer flights, so what do you mean by this post?Have just buggered up freight rates for Britain’s exporters.
Emirates and Etihad are used a lot for cargo
Less flights. Means less capacity means higher rates.
Well done steroid munching protein glugging bleached teeth knobtards
Just what we need in a pandemic
Regular flights to the UAE are gone and the toys your kids play with and the stuff we sell abroad, the cost to import and export has gone up.
I know what your getting at they shouldnt be flying.
But the point is a reduction of flights means an increase in costs
Just man and lhr flights now
Where as before there was bhx and gla
Next etihad could reduce.
dirky dirk said:
The influencers going to Dubai.
Have just buggered up freight rates for Britain’s exporters.
Emirates and Etihad are used a lot for cargo
Less flights. Means less capacity means higher rates.
Well done steroid munching protein glugging bleached teeth knobtards
Just what we need in a pandemic
To be fair they were acting like complete knobheads before they buggered up freight flights Have just buggered up freight rates for Britain’s exporters.
Emirates and Etihad are used a lot for cargo
Less flights. Means less capacity means higher rates.
Well done steroid munching protein glugging bleached teeth knobtards
Just what we need in a pandemic
I work for an airline and landed into Heathrow this morning from Chicago - with cargo. Most of the flights going are cargo. Terminal 2 and Terminal 5 are open at the moment. Haven't been through T2 since lockdown/ essential travel came into play. Duty free shops closed in most airports i've been too (LAX, ORD and LHR) along with some of the boutiques. Cafe Nero was open a few weeks ago.
vaud said:
But it’s logical. Parking charges are not going to be an influencing factor at the moment. Demand is low, supply is high... but those travelling right now probably aren’t choosing to, so price stops being so much of an issue.
For now.
I'm sure airport management will bring the prices down again once things return to normal For now.
J4CKO said:
red_slr said:
Manchester airport publish their stats.
19vs20.
Aircraft movements down 80%.
Passengers carried down 89%.
Freight in tonnes moved down 67%
But, parking charges up 100 Percent.19vs20.
Aircraft movements down 80%.
Passengers carried down 89%.
Freight in tonnes moved down 67%
bristolracer said:
vaud said:
But it’s logical. Parking charges are not going to be an influencing factor at the moment. Demand is low, supply is high... but those travelling right now probably aren’t choosing to, so price stops being so much of an issue.
For now.
I'm sure airport management will bring the prices down again once things return to normal For now.
I'd be quite happy for the place to go bust and close down but it's still a council quango as far as I'm aware that's expanded by 'buying' other airports.
https://www.magairports.com/about-us/overview/
dirky dirk said:
I mean, that becasue of these knobheads
Regular flights to the UAE are gone and the toys your kids play with and the stuff we sell abroad, the cost to import and export has gone up.
I know what your getting at they shouldnt be flying.
But the point is a reduction of flights means an increase in costs
Just man and lhr flights now
Where as before there was bhx and gla
Next etihad could reduce.
Do you understand there are fewer flights due to the world being in the midst of a global pandemic, fewer people are travelling and / or are permitted to travel to stop it spreading? That’s why there are fewer flights.Regular flights to the UAE are gone and the toys your kids play with and the stuff we sell abroad, the cost to import and export has gone up.
I know what your getting at they shouldnt be flying.
But the point is a reduction of flights means an increase in costs
Just man and lhr flights now
Where as before there was bhx and gla
Next etihad could reduce.
I don’t follow your logic that the reduction in flights has anything to do with ‘these knobheads’.
GT03ROB said:
I've done 12 flights since August, including 2 departures from UK under essential travel only restrictions
Planes generally busy / airports generally quiet, but getting busier since August.
Same, live in Scotland so routing is usually EDI to LHR to Madrid to Algeria, and back again. Threading that needle has been quite tricky with an ever shifting background of rules. Planes generally busy / airports generally quiet, but getting busier since August.
Some of the misapprehensions about the travel thing is that people think there is still a s
tload of pax, there isn't; or that you're coming from places that don't have covid rules in place, they all do. I do a test to book the flights, a test to enter Spain and Algeria, I quarantine for 2 weeks, get tested again and am then released into the camp where everyone else has undergone the same process. Idem for coming back; test, flight, quarantine at home.The papers think it's still 'business as normal' the way they go on about it. Sure there are people taking the pish with motivation [definition of 'essential'] but fundamentally there is little to be too concerned about re airpax. [how many lorry drivers...?]
I quite enjoy it, no queues, no baggage carousel hoggers, lots of time to catch up on some reading...and essentially how lucky I am not to be stuck in a 5th floor flat with two screaming kids. No complaints from me.
Flights for 36hrs out of EDI -
bennno said:
dirky dirk said:
I mean, that becasue of these knobheads
Regular flights to the UAE are gone and the toys your kids play with and the stuff we sell abroad, the cost to import and export has gone up.
I know what your getting at they shouldnt be flying.
But the point is a reduction of flights means an increase in costs
Just man and lhr flights now
Where as before there was bhx and gla
Next etihad could reduce.
Do you understand there are fewer flights due to the world being in the midst of a global pandemic, fewer people are travelling and / or are permitted to travel to stop it spreading? That’s why there are fewer flights.Regular flights to the UAE are gone and the toys your kids play with and the stuff we sell abroad, the cost to import and export has gone up.
I know what your getting at they shouldnt be flying.
But the point is a reduction of flights means an increase in costs
Just man and lhr flights now
Where as before there was bhx and gla
Next etihad could reduce.
I don’t follow your logic that the reduction in flights has anything to do with ‘these knobheads’.
I’m aware of the pandemic, my son lost his job, my daughter is furloughed, My wife is furloughed (duty free)
Instead of just merrily enjoying a low key holiday bit of dinner in the hotel with senior management and be sensible.
Are positively promoting the fact it’s open
Because of that and the increased people they attract there has meant that flights have been pulled.
Not only was dxb a busy cargo destination
( I have fourteen separate freight forwarders that I deal with just in dxb alone ).
Never mind the other airport.
And then take into account AUH as well
And also the fact that they are major hubs.
It means that man-dxb was three a day and man-auh was two a day and, the fact that Oman air aren’t coming back.
We’ve lost three flights a day there straight away
Then throw in brexit and the fact the eu don’t recognise our cargo security regime, all these things make airfreighting the country’s exports abit sticky
What was 0.40 a kilo is over over 2.00 now.
Every flight that’s pulled drives the costs up for our exporters and importers.
dirky dirk said:
bennno said:
dirky dirk said:
I mean, that becasue of these knobheads
Regular flights to the UAE are gone and the toys your kids play with and the stuff we sell abroad, the cost to import and export has gone up.
I know what your getting at they shouldnt be flying.
But the point is a reduction of flights means an increase in costs
Just man and lhr flights now
Where as before there was bhx and gla
Next etihad could reduce.
Do you understand there are fewer flights due to the world being in the midst of a global pandemic, fewer people are travelling and / or are permitted to travel to stop it spreading? That’s why there are fewer flights.Regular flights to the UAE are gone and the toys your kids play with and the stuff we sell abroad, the cost to import and export has gone up.
I know what your getting at they shouldnt be flying.
But the point is a reduction of flights means an increase in costs
Just man and lhr flights now
Where as before there was bhx and gla
Next etihad could reduce.
I don’t follow your logic that the reduction in flights has anything to do with ‘these knobheads’.
I’m aware of the pandemic, my son lost his job, my daughter is furloughed, My wife is furloughed (duty free)
Instead of just merrily enjoying a low key holiday bit of dinner in the hotel with senior management and be sensible.
Are positively promoting the fact it’s open
Because of that and the increased people they attract there has meant that flights have been pulled.
Not only was dxb a busy cargo destination
( I have fourteen separate freight forwarders that I deal with just in dxb alone ).
Never mind the other airport.
And then take into account AUH as well
And also the fact that they are major hubs.
It means that man-dxb was three a day and man-auh was two a day and, the fact that Oman air aren’t coming back.
We’ve lost three flights a day there straight away
Then throw in brexit and the fact the eu don’t recognise our cargo security regime, all these things make airfreighting the country’s exports abit sticky
What was 0.40 a kilo is over over 2.00 now.
Every flight that’s pulled drives the costs up for our exporters and importers.
andy_s said:
GT03ROB said:
I've done 12 flights since August, including 2 departures from UK under essential travel only restrictions
Planes generally busy / airports generally quiet, but getting busier since August.
Same, live in Scotland so routing is usually EDI to LHR to Madrid to Algeria, and back again. Threading that needle has been quite tricky with an ever shifting background of rules. Planes generally busy / airports generally quiet, but getting busier since August.
Some of the misapprehensions about the travel thing is that people think there is still a s
tload of pax, there isn't; or that you're coming from places that don't have covid rules in place, they all do. I do a test to book the flights, a test to enter Spain and Algeria, I quarantine for 2 weeks, get tested again and am then released into the camp where everyone else has undergone the same process. Idem for coming back; test, flight, quarantine at home.The papers think it's still 'business as normal' the way they go on about it. Sure there are people taking the pish with motivation [definition of 'essential'] but fundamentally there is little to be too concerned about re airpax. [how many lorry drivers...?]
I quite enjoy it, no queues, no baggage carousel hoggers, lots of time to catch up on some reading...and essentially how lucky I am not to be stuck in a 5th floor flat with two screaming kids. No complaints from me.
Flights for 36hrs out of EDI -
It's a similar routine here for going to the facilities, fortunately, I don't go there. It's quite fun when we get off at Atyrau... I wish colleagues a happy quarantine, as I go back to normal. With all the people that we have had traveling over the last year & extensive testing done on those that do come in, testing on day 2 & day 10, it's surprising that we have had virtually zero cases (in fact I can't think of one) from people flying in.
To be frank I feel sorry for people back in the UK, we have a semblance of normality here. Things are still open,
vaud said:
From what was quite a busy regional airport (Leeds/Bradford), this is their total schedule for the next 2 days. Yikes.
Had some dodgy landings on rtn to Leeds/Bradford if the wind was blowing.
2 months in I forgot my passport (ID) but was let through as the guy on check-in recognised me
MiniMan64 said:
dirky dirk said:
The influencers going to Dubai.
Have just buggered up freight rates for Britain’s exporters.
Emirates and Etihad are used a lot for cargo
Less flights. Means less capacity means higher rates.
Well done steroid munching protein glugging bleached teeth knobtards
Just what we need in a pandemic
To be fair they were acting like complete knobheads before they buggered up freight flights Have just buggered up freight rates for Britain’s exporters.
Emirates and Etihad are used a lot for cargo
Less flights. Means less capacity means higher rates.
Well done steroid munching protein glugging bleached teeth knobtards
Just what we need in a pandemic
Nobody would care if the execs of Instagram needed to travel somewhere to work but somehow it's not ok for their content producers?
I don't even have instagram but I recognise that this is their business and is as legitimate as any other if you ask me.
Anyway, back on topic. I'm glad Emirates are flying one way to Dubai now as I was looking at an extra leg to get to Bangkok next week.
I am there taking a massive gamble buying a distressed business and am not looking to quarantining for 2 weeks in a hotel.
I expect, like last time I flew Lon-Dxb a month or so ago, that it will be packed at the front and quiet at the back (377).
Saweep said:
The outrage at these people just seems to smack of sour grapes.
Nobody would care if the execs of Instagram needed to travel somewhere to work but somehow it's not ok for their content producers?
I don't even have instagram but I recognise that this is their business and is as legitimate as any other if you ask me.
I wouldn't so much say sour grapes, more these "influencers" are misreading a situation & seem to be taking the piss. Nobody would care if the execs of Instagram needed to travel somewhere to work but somehow it's not ok for their content producers?
I don't even have instagram but I recognise that this is their business and is as legitimate as any other if you ask me.
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