Manchester Airport. How can it be so bad?
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toastyhamster said:
Am not looking forward to flying out of Birmingham on a Saturday morning in August! I've just checked their departures board, they have 20(!!!) flights scheduled to depart at 06:00 tomorrow. How's that work then?
Flights might be the same ones but codeshares? See if any are the same time to the same destination.Also august is a long way away. Current issues will likely be resolved by July.
We’ll possibly have at least 2 new crisis to worry about before that!
Carl_Manchester said:
Malaga departures hand-luggage belt-of-doom is one of the worst designed security hell holes in europe 
Flying with Tui from MAN on Thursday just lol
we are equipping ourselves for the worst.
Might be time to rename the topic 'Manchester Airport. Can it get any worse?'
Master of understatement. Best of luck with that.Flying with Tui from MAN on Thursday just lol
we are equipping ourselves for the worst.
Might be time to rename the topic 'Manchester Airport. Can it get any worse?'
El stovey said:
toastyhamster said:
Am not looking forward to flying out of Birmingham on a Saturday morning in August! I've just checked their departures board, they have 20(!!!) flights scheduled to depart at 06:00 tomorrow. How's that work then?
Flights might be the same ones but codeshares? See if any are the same time to the same destination.Also august is a long way away. Current issues will likely be resolved by July.
We’ll possibly have at least 2 new crisis to worry about before that!
GT03ROB said:
El stovey said:
toastyhamster said:
Am not looking forward to flying out of Birmingham on a Saturday morning in August! I've just checked their departures board, they have 20(!!!) flights scheduled to depart at 06:00 tomorrow. How's that work then?
Flights might be the same ones but codeshares? See if any are the same time to the same destination.Also august is a long way away. Current issues will likely be resolved by July.
We’ll possibly have at least 2 new crisis to worry about before that!
This is down on the 200,000 odd they handled in the before times (274 flights a day, approx).
What I've heard is that movements are still down 20% on pre pandemic levels.
egor110 said:
How come these flight cancellations only seem to be with tui and easyjet ?
Surely ba , jet 2 suffered during covid and had to let staff go same as tui/easyjet ?
Well they are low budget as well as being larger airlines and based in the UK. Surely ba , jet 2 suffered during covid and had to let staff go same as tui/easyjet ?
At a guess they were consolidating flights at the last minute as they don't have a lot of spare capacity. Larger airlines like BA, KLM, Lufthansa, et al. Would have done their consolidation earlier as they keep more spare capacity. So on BA they would have moved you to another flight earlier.
I book months in advance for many of my flights (already have one for Nov) and I find airlines will refularly fiddle with their schedule as one of my flights will almost always change between booking and flying, especially with th shorter legs.
El stovey said:
Also august is a long way away. Current issues will likely be resolved by July.
I think that's optimistic:Border Force need to employ more immigration staff and they need training
The airlines need check in staff, cabin crew and pilots
The airport needs car parking staff, security staff (who takes ages to train), baggage handlers and ground crew
Any one link in the chain broken and you've got queues somewhere, and reduced capacity overall.
That's before we talk about food and beverage suppliers that all need kitchen and front of house staff if our trip through is going to be catered for. I'm flying out 23rd August and I'm expecting some problems then.
captain_cynic said:
egor110 said:
How come these flight cancellations only seem to be with tui and easyjet ?
Surely ba , jet 2 suffered during covid and had to let staff go same as tui/easyjet ?
Well they are low budget as well as being larger airlines and based in the UK. Surely ba , jet 2 suffered during covid and had to let staff go same as tui/easyjet ?
At a guess they were consolidating flights at the last minute as they don't have a lot of spare capacity. Larger airlines like BA, KLM, Lufthansa, et al. Would have done their consolidation earlier as they keep more spare capacity. So on BA they would have moved you to another flight earlier.
I book months in advance for many of my flights (already have one for Nov) and I find airlines will refularly fiddle with their schedule as one of my flights will almost always change between booking and flying, especially with th shorter legs.
JeffreyD said:
Reading all the stories it seems like the entire travel industry is in some form of implosion.
Is it really just down to staffing issues?
I'd guess it's more likely down to making as much money out of passengers as possible issues.Is it really just down to staffing issues?
The industry knows there's a vast post Covid customer base so desperate to get away they'll endure anything to do so, and airports in particular know that people anxiously arriving several hours before their flight and being stuck in huge ques once they're inside will uplift the bottom line on parking and catering revenue. No way are they going to do anything to speed passenger transit through and compromise that at the moment such as paying a decent wage so they can fill all their vacancies or getting on the phone and busing loads of agency workers in - why would they?
The Grubberment doubtless has a hand in this too as they'll know the customary huge delays and frustrations at immigration and regular failure of the e-gates is going to nudge some people toward not bothering traveling abroad quite so often and perhaps spend a bit more of their holiday cash in the UK instead which will give a similar uplift to their tax take from the UK tourist industry.
The entire airport and seaport situation is a massive s
t sandwich at the moment and you just know because demand exceeds a carefully engineered supply shortage the greedy B'stards have made themselves a perfect opportunity to screw you over. Jaguar steve said:
I'd guess it's more likely down to making as much money out of passengers as possible issues.
The industry knows there's a vast post Covid customer base so desperate to get away they'll endure anything to do so, and airports in particular know that people anxiously arriving several hours before their flight and being stuck in huge ques once they're inside will uplift the bottom line on parking and catering revenue. No way are they going to do anything to speed passenger transit through and compromise that at the moment such as paying a decent wage so they can fill all their vacancies or getting on the phone and busing loads of agency workers in - why would they?
The Grubberment doubtless has a hand in this too as they'll know the customary huge delays and frustrations at immigration and regular failure of the e-gates is going to nudge some people toward not bothering traveling abroad quite so often and perhaps spend a bit more of their holiday cash in the UK instead which will give a similar uplift to their tax take from the UK tourist industry.
The entire airport and seaport situation is a massive st sandwich at the moment and you just know because demand exceeds a carefully engineered supply shortage the greedy B'stards have made themselves a perfect opportunity to screw you over.
How on earth does having somebody stand in a queue for several hours waiting to get airside help an airport boost its revenue, when revenue comes from airside sales?? Its a mess without a doubt, but have a think about where airports generate revenue from. Airports want passengers airside ASAP so they wait for 3hrs for their flight spending money in the duty free, pret-a-mange & weatherspoons.The industry knows there's a vast post Covid customer base so desperate to get away they'll endure anything to do so, and airports in particular know that people anxiously arriving several hours before their flight and being stuck in huge ques once they're inside will uplift the bottom line on parking and catering revenue. No way are they going to do anything to speed passenger transit through and compromise that at the moment such as paying a decent wage so they can fill all their vacancies or getting on the phone and busing loads of agency workers in - why would they?
The Grubberment doubtless has a hand in this too as they'll know the customary huge delays and frustrations at immigration and regular failure of the e-gates is going to nudge some people toward not bothering traveling abroad quite so often and perhaps spend a bit more of their holiday cash in the UK instead which will give a similar uplift to their tax take from the UK tourist industry.
The entire airport and seaport situation is a massive s
t sandwich at the moment and you just know because demand exceeds a carefully engineered supply shortage the greedy B'stards have made themselves a perfect opportunity to screw you over. GT03ROB said:
How on earth does having somebody stand in a queue for several hours waiting to get airside help an airport boost its revenue, when revenue comes from airside sales?? Its a mess without a doubt, but have a think about where airports generate revenue from. Airports want passengers airside ASAP so they wait for 3hrs for their flight spending money in the duty free, pret-a-mange & weatherspoons.
Quite. There’s so much misinformation on here, I’m giving up bothering to correct it tbh.
GT03ROB said:
How on earth does having somebody stand in a queue for several hours waiting to get airside help an airport boost its revenue, when revenue comes from airside sales?? Its a mess without a doubt, but have a think about where airports generate revenue from. Airports want passengers airside ASAP so they wait for 3hrs for their flight spending money in the duty free, pret-a-mange & weatherspoons.
In essence that's exactly what I said, no?
Create anxiety, watch the car parks fill up and pack as many people in and keep them in for as long as you can and listen to the cash till ring of success, and of course if there's hundreds stuck in a 3 hour immigration queue then there's always a handy vending machine nearby.
Jaguar steve said:
In essence that's exactly what I said, no?
Create anxiety, watch the car parks fill up and pack as many people in and keep them in for as long as you can and listen to the cash till ring of success, and of course if there's hundreds stuck in a 3 hour immigration queue then there's always a handy vending machine nearby.
Immigration is when you return to the U.K. the queues are for departure.
The delays are pre security where there’s nothing much to buy.
All the money is made airside where now people are rushed through as the flights are departing.
So no, It’s not carefully engineered to make money at all, airlines are cancelling flights and it’s costing the airports and airlines millions in refunds delay compensation and lost revenue.
rambo19 said:
egor110 said:
But jet 2 are the same but seem to be coping.
My best mate is a captain for Jet2, they looked after their staff throughout covid, and my mate really rates them.Jaguar steve said:
GT03ROB said:
How on earth does having somebody stand in a queue for several hours waiting to get airside help an airport boost its revenue, when revenue comes from airside sales?? Its a mess without a doubt, but have a think about where airports generate revenue from. Airports want passengers airside ASAP so they wait for 3hrs for their flight spending money in the duty free, pret-a-mange & weatherspoons.
In essence that's exactly what I said, no?
Create anxiety, watch the car parks fill up and pack as many people in and keep them in for as long as you can and listen to the cash till ring of success, and of course if there's hundreds stuck in a 3 hour immigration queue then there's always a handy vending machine nearby.
El stovey said:
Jaguar steve said:
In essence that's exactly what I said, no?
Create anxiety, watch the car parks fill up and pack as many people in and keep them in for as long as you can and listen to the cash till ring of success, and of course if there's hundreds stuck in a 3 hour immigration queue then there's always a handy vending machine nearby.
Immigration is when you return to the U.K. the queues are for departure.
The delays are pre security where there’s nothing much to buy.
All the money is made airside where now people are rushed through as the flights are departing.
So no, It’s not carefully engineered to make money at all, airlines are cancelling flights and it’s costing the airports and airlines millions in refunds delay compensation and lost revenue.
Tui I think is desperately trying to get back under control. Last weekend they put people in hotels in the UK, before giving up and canceling their flights. That has got to really add insult to injury.
Hopefully there cancellations will do that.
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