British Airways Strike at Christmas
Discussion
K50 DEL said:
My routing this time is supposed to be SAA to JoBurg then BA to London and the same going home.
I'm home before the strike starts, but due to fly back right in the middle of it. Apparently it's down to BA to re-route me, so we'll see what they come up with!
SAA still fly 747s on the Luanda-Joburg route, AFAIK their only route with First Class I'm home before the strike starts, but due to fly back right in the middle of it. Apparently it's down to BA to re-route me, so we'll see what they come up with!
Puggit said:
K50 DEL said:
My routing this time is supposed to be SAA to JoBurg then BA to London and the same going home.
I'm home before the strike starts, but due to fly back right in the middle of it. Apparently it's down to BA to re-route me, so we'll see what they come up with!
SAA still fly 747s on the Luanda-Joburg route, AFAIK their only route with First Class I'm home before the strike starts, but due to fly back right in the middle of it. Apparently it's down to BA to re-route me, so we'll see what they come up with!
My flight with TAP last year was a BA re-route (their 777 got crashed into on the apron by a Hanjin Airways plane) that meant a downgrade to business as TAP don't have F on that route
Personally I think Unite might well have just killed BA.
Whilst I feel bad for the (non-striking) employees who will lose their jobs and the shareholders who will lose their shirts in other respects it may be for the best. They can't keep operating the way they have been in the face of competition with drastically lower fixed costs.
So either a Pheonix Company may rise to fill the void or perhaps the many other players will be able to expand - mitigating the job losses to an extent.
The shareholders are going to get a serious kick in the nuts, of course, but Unite don't care about that in the slightest...
Whilst I feel bad for the (non-striking) employees who will lose their jobs and the shareholders who will lose their shirts in other respects it may be for the best. They can't keep operating the way they have been in the face of competition with drastically lower fixed costs.
So either a Pheonix Company may rise to fill the void or perhaps the many other players will be able to expand - mitigating the job losses to an extent.
The shareholders are going to get a serious kick in the nuts, of course, but Unite don't care about that in the slightest...
K50 DEL said:
Puggit said:
K50 DEL said:
My routing this time is supposed to be SAA to JoBurg then BA to London and the same going home.
I'm home before the strike starts, but due to fly back right in the middle of it. Apparently it's down to BA to re-route me, so we'll see what they come up with!
SAA still fly 747s on the Luanda-Joburg route, AFAIK their only route with First Class I'm home before the strike starts, but due to fly back right in the middle of it. Apparently it's down to BA to re-route me, so we'll see what they come up with!
My flight with TAP last year was a BA re-route (their 777 got crashed into on the apron by a Hanjin Airways plane) that meant a downgrade to business as TAP don't have F on that route
Clearly I'm in the wrong bit of IT...
Puggit said:
K50 DEL said:
Puggit said:
K50 DEL said:
My routing this time is supposed to be SAA to JoBurg then BA to London and the same going home.
I'm home before the strike starts, but due to fly back right in the middle of it. Apparently it's down to BA to re-route me, so we'll see what they come up with!
SAA still fly 747s on the Luanda-Joburg route, AFAIK their only route with First Class I'm home before the strike starts, but due to fly back right in the middle of it. Apparently it's down to BA to re-route me, so we'll see what they come up with!
My flight with TAP last year was a BA re-route (their 777 got crashed into on the apron by a Hanjin Airways plane) that meant a downgrade to business as TAP don't have F on that route
Clearly I'm in the wrong bit of IT...
Good contract negotiations initially got me minimum J flights and helping out the guy who controls our travel with his personal IT problems helps get the F ones - he's also a petrol head and car parts are a lot cheaper to buy in the UK and fairly easy to bring into LAD - tit for tat you know!!
Lots of airlines are supposedly scrabbling all over trying to buy up any slots BA won't be using if and when they announce anything concrete.
Whoever runs the routes, and quite a few airlines have mothballed a few aircraft so they *might* be able to manage it, will charge a massive amount for tickets though.
Whoever runs the routes, and quite a few airlines have mothballed a few aircraft so they *might* be able to manage it, will charge a massive amount for tickets though.
sneijder said:
Lots of airlines are supposedly scrabbling all over trying to buy up any slots BA won't be using if and when they announce anything concrete.
Whoever runs the routes, and quite a few airlines have mothballed a few aircraft so they *might* be able to manage it, will charge a massive amount for tickets though.
bmi instantly changed their fares on news of the strike. All tickets on shared BA/bmi routes went up to the most expensive buckets without flexibility.Whoever runs the routes, and quite a few airlines have mothballed a few aircraft so they *might* be able to manage it, will charge a massive amount for tickets though.
Thing is people forget quickly.....
After problems with BA in the late 90s etc I vowed never to use them again and I never have. So I am not affected by this action.
I would love to support my national flag carrier but the risk of disruption and inept service (which is always bubbling under the surface) means I always use a rival.
I hope the union leaders mums are proud of them!
S
After problems with BA in the late 90s etc I vowed never to use them again and I never have. So I am not affected by this action.
I would love to support my national flag carrier but the risk of disruption and inept service (which is always bubbling under the surface) means I always use a rival.
I hope the union leaders mums are proud of them!
S
Don said:
Personally I think Unite might well have just killed BA.
Whilst I feel bad for the (non-striking) employees who will lose their jobs and the shareholders who will lose their shirts in other respects it may be for the best. They can't keep operating the way they have been in the face of competition with drastically lower fixed costs.
So either a Pheonix Company may rise to fill the void or perhaps the many other players will be able to expand - mitigating the job losses to an extent.
The shareholders are going to get a serious kick in the nuts, of course, but Unite don't care about that in the slightest...
Whilst I feel bad for the (non-striking) employees who will lose their jobs and the shareholders who will lose their shirts in other respects it may be for the best. They can't keep operating the way they have been in the face of competition with drastically lower fixed costs.
So either a Pheonix Company may rise to fill the void or perhaps the many other players will be able to expand - mitigating the job losses to an extent.
The shareholders are going to get a serious kick in the nuts, of course, but Unite don't care about that in the slightest...
Most accurate post on the thread.
When cabin crew are earning WELL in excess of the industry average due to legacy contracts and an (overly) strong union, what do they expect in the current climate?!? They're being selfish twunts who should quite frankly be grateful they've still got a job (brother has worked <4 months of this year, father-in-law on 50% hours, etc.).
They should pot the lot of them tomorrow and go down the Emirates route, Recruit globally and stick them all in free cheap accommodation near Heathrow and pay them peanuts by current standards but a decent wage in their home countries to where they get free travel 2-3 times a year.
I don't think having non British crew makes a difference, from what I've seen British folk vote with their feet and wallet snapping up the cheapest tickets. Foreign sorts still see 'British' and associate it with quality. I say 'still', but that probably expired 3 days ago.
I don't think having non British crew makes a difference, from what I've seen British folk vote with their feet and wallet snapping up the cheapest tickets. Foreign sorts still see 'British' and associate it with quality. I say 'still', but that probably expired 3 days ago.
sneijder said:
They should pot the lot of them tomorrow and go down the Emirates route, Recruit globally and stick them all in free cheap accommodation near Heathrow and pay them peanuts by current standards but a decent wage in their home countries to where they get free travel 2-3 times a year.
I don't think having non British crew makes a difference, from what I've seen British folk vote with their feet and wallet snapping up the cheapest tickets. Foreign sorts still see 'British' and associate it with quality. I say 'still', but that probably expired 3 days ago.
Haven't Qantas done this too?I don't think having non British crew makes a difference, from what I've seen British folk vote with their feet and wallet snapping up the cheapest tickets. Foreign sorts still see 'British' and associate it with quality. I say 'still', but that probably expired 3 days ago.
I seem to recall being told this was the reason for the high Asian staff count. It seems to workk well for others.
I've had to book a rather expensive (flexible/refundable) one way lufthansa J (thats business in non geek speak) fare from JFK-LHR via FRA for the end of dec as my BA JFK-LCY is likely to be canned if there is a strike, and if im not back when i need to be im very significantly out of pocket and basically out of work for the forseeable future.
No pressure then!
Sack the sodding lot of them....I hope WW doesnt budge one inch.
Ive been loyal to BA for years and still continued to be even after being f
ked about in the gate gormless fiasco and the almost-strike last time... enough is enough now I fear
No pressure then!
Sack the sodding lot of them....I hope WW doesnt budge one inch.
Ive been loyal to BA for years and still continued to be even after being f
ked about in the gate gormless fiasco and the almost-strike last time... enough is enough now I fearEdited by GCH on Wednesday 16th December 18:26
GCH said:
I've had to book a rather expensive (flexible/refundable) one way lufthansa J (thats business in non geek speak) fare from JFK-LHR via FRA for the end of dec as my BA JFK-LCY is likely to be canned if there is a strike, and if im not back when i need to be im very significantly out of pocket and basically out of work for the forseeable future.
No pressure then!
Sack the sodding lot of them....I hope WW doesnt budge one inch.
Ive been loyal to BA for years and still continued to be even after being fked about in the gate gormless fiasco and the almost-strike last time... enough is enough now I fear
I'll eat my hat if they cancel any of the JFK-LCY routes, I'm surprised you would think that too. Did BA not say anything when you cancelled ? Could you not get AA JFK-LHR ? I'm surprised as you must have a fair few miles with One World to sway it.No pressure then!
Sack the sodding lot of them....I hope WW doesnt budge one inch.
Ive been loyal to BA for years and still continued to be even after being f
ked about in the gate gormless fiasco and the almost-strike last time... enough is enough now I fearEdited by GCH on Wednesday 16th December 18:26
Most folk book the JFK-LCY purely for the time saving, do you use it for the quality of cabin ? Just seems a bit odd that you'd then want to go via Germany in a nice seat rather than slum it and fly direct.
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I'll eat my hat if they cancel any of the JFK-LCY routes, I'm surprised you would think that too. Did BA not say anything when you cancelled ? Could you not get AA JFK-LHR ? I'm surprised as you must have a fair few miles with One World to sway it.
Most folk book the JFK-LCY purely for the time saving, do you use it for the quality of cabin ? Just seems a bit odd that you'd then want to go via Germany in a nice seat rather than slum it and fly direct.
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I haven't cancelled it yet.... im using it for my outbound this weekend (pre strike).
I would still prefer to use the LCY flight back rather than luftwaffe, so that has been booked purely as backup *if* the strike means the inbound LCY gets cancelled- but of course no-one knows that yet.
I was told that as the LCY-JFK only has 3 cabin crew and as it is a very high yeild route then it *may* be ok but I am taking no chances at all.
The newer AA business seat is truly awful - dont fancy that unless no other alternative- if it does get cancelled thats more than likely what they will offer me, but i'd rather refuse, ask them to cancel&refund the inbound and get some compensation miles (100k last strike for a J ticket!)
Lufthansa has better service than AA, and a connection at a LH hub is no hassle at all.
After the gate gourment disaster dropped me in the s**t big time a few yrs back im taking no chances by relying on them to rebook me.
Still no further info- and this close to the strike dates its truly awful that a lot of people will simply have no alternative and won't be able to travel due to lack of capacity on other carriers.
Way to screw up a load of xmas'
-selfish gits
I'll eat my hat if they cancel any of the JFK-LCY routes, I'm surprised you would think that too. Did BA not say anything when you cancelled ? Could you not get AA JFK-LHR ? I'm surprised as you must have a fair few miles with One World to sway it.
Most folk book the JFK-LCY purely for the time saving, do you use it for the quality of cabin ? Just seems a bit odd that you'd then want to go via Germany in a nice seat rather than slum it and fly direct.
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I haven't cancelled it yet.... im using it for my outbound this weekend (pre strike).
I would still prefer to use the LCY flight back rather than luftwaffe, so that has been booked purely as backup *if* the strike means the inbound LCY gets cancelled- but of course no-one knows that yet.
I was told that as the LCY-JFK only has 3 cabin crew and as it is a very high yeild route then it *may* be ok but I am taking no chances at all.
The newer AA business seat is truly awful - dont fancy that unless no other alternative- if it does get cancelled thats more than likely what they will offer me, but i'd rather refuse, ask them to cancel&refund the inbound and get some compensation miles (100k last strike for a J ticket!)
Lufthansa has better service than AA, and a connection at a LH hub is no hassle at all.
After the gate gourment disaster dropped me in the s**t big time a few yrs back im taking no chances by relying on them to rebook me.
Still no further info- and this close to the strike dates its truly awful that a lot of people will simply have no alternative and won't be able to travel due to lack of capacity on other carriers.
Way to screw up a load of xmas'
-selfish gitsEdited by GCH on Wednesday 16th December 20:42
Edited by GCH on Wednesday 16th December 20:43
What was the Gate Gourmet disaster ? They have a near monopoly at my airport (although BA reverse cater what little food they offer on Euro routes now).
I've had a look at a lot of LCY flights, and I've never seen less than 20 out of 32 seats booked. I think you'll be fine, if it came to cancelling one of those flights WW would be reaching for a flight attendants uniform himself.
I would have assumed the bearded one or o'leary would have made a cheeky advert by now !
I've had a look at a lot of LCY flights, and I've never seen less than 20 out of 32 seats booked. I think you'll be fine, if it came to cancelling one of those flights WW would be reaching for a flight attendants uniform himself.
I would have assumed the bearded one or o'leary would have made a cheeky advert by now !
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