When can you start complaining about the youth of today?
Poll: When can you start complaining about the youth of today?
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As soon as you can kid yourself you're not really saying, "kids from council estates and crap backgrounds aren't as nice as the middle class people I grew up with", pretty much.
Some of the things the "back of the classroom" were up to when I was at school in the '90s... one group had an old car (no tax/MOT/whatever) they kept on a bit of private land and used to rag round the local roads at night. I can remember them being white as sheets for days after said car got driven through someone's garden wall and they weren't sure if they'd been seen before pushing it back out on the road and driving off. Big craze when we are about 14 for flick knives and the like - remember a mate of mine coming in with a huge evil looking butterfly knife so Christ knows what the rough lads had.
Most whole-year school trips had a competition of "what's the biggest thing you can nick from the museum shop" among the usual back of the bus subjects. This was far from a rough area and a relatively decent school too, so I wouldn't have been surprised to find some inner city sinkhole being an order of magnitude worse. (Also, who can forget the Jamie Bulger case?)
Some of the things the "back of the classroom" were up to when I was at school in the '90s... one group had an old car (no tax/MOT/whatever) they kept on a bit of private land and used to rag round the local roads at night. I can remember them being white as sheets for days after said car got driven through someone's garden wall and they weren't sure if they'd been seen before pushing it back out on the road and driving off. Big craze when we are about 14 for flick knives and the like - remember a mate of mine coming in with a huge evil looking butterfly knife so Christ knows what the rough lads had.
Most whole-year school trips had a competition of "what's the biggest thing you can nick from the museum shop" among the usual back of the bus subjects. This was far from a rough area and a relatively decent school too, so I wouldn't have been surprised to find some inner city sinkhole being an order of magnitude worse. (Also, who can forget the Jamie Bulger case?)
I started when i was 12/13, high school really hit it home for me. By year 10 i was skipping school because i thought the subject matters had no relavence, teachers were too confined and the majority of my class mates were close minded. Can't get away with saying things like that as a youth though which i think is part of the problem. No doubt i was looked apon as a lost cause who didn't want to learn.
You don't need to be older than someone to think they're wrong do you
You don't need to be older than someone to think they're wrong do you
scottdav said:
I started when i was 12/13, high school really hit it home for me. By year 10 i was skipping school because i thought the subject matters had no relavence, teachers were too confined and the majority of my class mates were close minded. Can't get away with saying things like that as a youth though which i think is part of the problem. No doubt i was looked apon as a lost cause who didn't want to learn.
You don't need to be older than someone to think they're wrong do you
Interesting post.You don't need to be older than someone to think they're wrong do you
And one which leads me to post this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
captainzep said:
scottdav said:
I started when i was 12/13, high school really hit it home for me. By year 10 i was skipping school because i thought the subject matters had no relavence, teachers were too confined and the majority of my class mates were close minded. Can't get away with saying things like that as a youth though which i think is part of the problem. No doubt i was looked apon as a lost cause who didn't want to learn.
You don't need to be older than someone to think they're wrong do you
Interesting post.You don't need to be older than someone to think they're wrong do you
And one which leads me to post this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
captainzep said:
Thanks, that artist is amazing! Most of that's inline with what i was thinking back then (only 21 now but..). I was the only kid in class that had empty books, 3-4 pages of notes i'd hover a pen over so the teacher wouldnt notice, instead listening to what was said and thinking of twists and other things i would learn at home. It felt like freedom of thought was being stamped out and i didn't want mine taken.
Twincam16 said:
Compared with 'grime', the very notion of British rap (where everyone still seems to be on about American themes in an American accent as far as I can see), those baggy jeans and acres of gold bling, and that strange 'speak like a foreigner even though you're as English as an old oak tree' accent that 'da kids' put on, my 'era' might as well be a million years ago, especially when I think back and remember the clothing being adopted without irony by young students falling dramatically out of fashion in the early '90s and being ridiculed on TV comedy shows.
Listen to Lowkey and Akala and your opinion will vastly change. One line is 'forget the word rapper, we're just modern day poets'. I really have no idea why they arent regulars on the radio when they can promote Lady Gaga so heavily.The American equivalent is Lupe Fiasco who won nearly every award he could for his 3rd album but it was never promoted. I tried getting his latest at every place that sells cd's near me and they had nothing in. Check his 'Dumb it down'
There's a massive underground scene that never talks about guns, girls, car and money. I just wonder why it has to be underground..
Sorry for going offtopic but i got that urge
. The youth needs positive influences and i don't fell they/ we get it.scottdav said:
Listen to Lowkey and Akala ..
... nice. Seems Akala's quite an intelligent guy too.Going on from something someone else said earlier, its quite interesting to wonder what todays classic artists were thought of during their time. I'm pretty sure lots of them were looked at as delinquents and bad influences by the mass society of their day.
No doubt they were begrudgingly referred to as "the youth of today" by grumpy sods of their time too.
scottdav said:
captainzep said:
Thanks, that artist is amazing! Most of that's inline with what i was thinking back then (only 21 now but..). I was the only kid in class that had empty books, 3-4 pages of notes i'd hover a pen over so the teacher wouldnt notice, instead listening to what was said and thinking of twists and other things i would learn at home. It felt like freedom of thought was being stamped out and i didn't want mine taken.
Twincam16 said:
Compared with 'grime', the very notion of British rap (where everyone still seems to be on about American themes in an American accent as far as I can see), those baggy jeans and acres of gold bling, and that strange 'speak like a foreigner even though you're as English as an old oak tree' accent that 'da kids' put on, my 'era' might as well be a million years ago, especially when I think back and remember the clothing being adopted without irony by young students falling dramatically out of fashion in the early '90s and being ridiculed on TV comedy shows.
Listen to Lowkey and Akala and your opinion will vastly change. One line is 'forget the word rapper, we're just modern day poets'. I really have no idea why they arent regulars on the radio when they can promote Lady Gaga so heavily.The American equivalent is Lupe Fiasco who won nearly every award he could for his 3rd album but it was never promoted. I tried getting his latest at every place that sells cd's near me and they had nothing in. Check his 'Dumb it down'
There's a massive underground scene that never talks about guns, girls, car and money. I just wonder why it has to be underground..
Sorry for going offtopic but i got that urge
. The youth needs positive influences and i don't fell they/ we get it.I might sound like you're typical middle-class suburban white boy here, but I do find something very disturbing about British kids showing their appreciation for something by pretending to fire off guns and going 'brap brap brap'. It's something I associate with either LA drugs gangs or angry Islamic militants.
Cock Womble 7 said:
As soon as you find yourself thinking "Blimey, doesn't that copper look young?"
Me and the other half were walking down the street a few weeks ago, in a fairly well lubricated state after a family celebration.A pair of coppers were walking the other way, and I'll admit one looked VERY young.
TOH piped up with "Does your mum know you're out this late?"
He didn't really know what to say, but his partner thought the comment hugely amusing.
I think we're old....
cwis said:
Me and the other half were walking down the street a few weeks ago, in a fairly well lubricated state after a family celebration.
A pair of coppers were walking the other way, and I'll admit one looked VERY young.
TOH piped up with "Does your mum know you're out this late?"
He didn't really know what to say, but his partner thought the comment hugely amusing.
I think we're old....
A pair of coppers were walking the other way, and I'll admit one looked VERY young.
TOH piped up with "Does your mum know you're out this late?"
He didn't really know what to say, but his partner thought the comment hugely amusing.
I think we're old....
I'm sure if you'd have said it there would've been a different reaction. (assuming your oh is a wimin)
Cock Womble 7 said:
As soon as you find yourself thinking "Blimey, doesn't that copper look young?"
What if they are young, though?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560168/Pol...
Willy Nilly said:
Most young people (teens) I meet are decent enough. Barmaid in the pub I was in today was really pleasant and did her job well. We get a number of teenagers in our running club and they are all good sorts.
There are quite a lot of old (70 +) people that are really rude.
I had some old biddy barge in front of me at the checkout in M&S earlier. I was not in the mood, so I went to another checkout where I got served quicker than she did anyway. I just couldn't argue with someone who had a face like a raisin.There are quite a lot of old (70 +) people that are really rude.
I've only recently turned 21 and I find myself doing it all the time. Just the other day I was on the bus (have come to see family in Leicester but left the car in Aberdeen, no other way of getting around down here) and some 16-17 year old oik (for want of a better word, thanks Boris!) decided that out of all the empty seats on the bus, he'd come and sit right in front of me. He then was on the telephone to his mum saying he was going down the job centre to "bang them out" because he couldn't get a job, and was then off to the council to "bang them out harder" because they were asking for rent which he didn't have. Kinda reminded me of this little sketch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr0F_xfcDzU
Just thought, maybe if he stopped speaking like a rapper, had a shower and wore something other than a stained white tracksuit with holes in it maybe he'd get a job and be able to pay his rent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr0F_xfcDzU
Just thought, maybe if he stopped speaking like a rapper, had a shower and wore something other than a stained white tracksuit with holes in it maybe he'd get a job and be able to pay his rent.
There are two types of people in my opinion- annoying and pointless 
s; and the rest of society. I tend to apply the first description mostly to those in their teens. However, I meet people of all ages that fit this description.
Just today as I got back into my car outside a shop, parallel parked on a one way street, there was a group that were behind me in the shop. They were walking along the road towards where I was just pulling out, most of them moved aside to let me through. Now, I was being patient and reasonable, yet there was one (probably 16) who just stared straight at me and made a point of moving very slowly towards the pavement. That was until I couldn't be bothered with this 'annoying and pointless' anymore so rather than wait I accelerated as I would normally. He soon jumped out of the way.
Before anyone comments, the most I would have hit him with was my wing mirror, had he not moved. If I had hit him, well, who cares.
s; and the rest of society. I tend to apply the first description mostly to those in their teens. However, I meet people of all ages that fit this description.Just today as I got back into my car outside a shop, parallel parked on a one way street, there was a group that were behind me in the shop. They were walking along the road towards where I was just pulling out, most of them moved aside to let me through. Now, I was being patient and reasonable, yet there was one (probably 16) who just stared straight at me and made a point of moving very slowly towards the pavement. That was until I couldn't be bothered with this 'annoying and pointless
' anymore so rather than wait I accelerated as I would normally. He soon jumped out of the way.Before anyone comments, the most I would have hit him with was my wing mirror, had he not moved. If I had hit him, well, who cares.
Twincam16 said:
Oh I agree, but like you say, it's 'underground'. In terms of the prevailing youth culture of the moment, it's heavily American-influenced.
I might sound like you're typical middle-class suburban white boy here, but I do find something very disturbing about British kids showing their appreciation for something by pretending to fire off guns and going 'brap brap brap'. It's something I associate with either LA drugs gangs or angry Islamic militants.
It's what they're influenced to do though. If all the major tv/radio stations, papers, magazines, youtube channels ect. promoted Akala as a lyrical genius and the platform for artists to aspire to then clever WOULD become cool. Instead all that goes to Lady G, i genuinely cringe when they say how amazing her lyrics are.I might sound like you're typical middle-class suburban white boy here, but I do find something very disturbing about British kids showing their appreciation for something by pretending to fire off guns and going 'brap brap brap'. It's something I associate with either LA drugs gangs or angry Islamic militants.
And that's just talking about music. As you can guess i don't blame the children for their attitudes.
Zwoelf said:
Cock Womble 7 said:
As soon as you find yourself thinking "Blimey, doesn't that copper look young?"
As soon as coppers and schoolteachers are younger than you.
Zwoelf said:
Cock Womble 7 said:
As soon as you find yourself thinking "Blimey, doesn't that copper look young?"
As soon as coppers and schoolteachers are younger than you.
I would suggest the use of the dating rule of half your age plus seven; it is okay to start complaining about people younger than that age.
Anyone who is lower than that age tends to be difficult to relate to. Knock seven years off your age and double it and it provides a reasonable rule of thumb for the age at which can consider people "past it".
So if you are 30 you can consider 22 year olds and under to be a foreign species, ergo it is ok to hate students at this age. If you are 40 you can consider 27 year old and under to be selfish wasters who have no idea what it's like to raise kids or have real responsibility. If you are 20 you consider 17 year olds and younger to be little kids entirely different from "real grown ups" like yourself.
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