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FreeLitres said:
How are you getting on with these? Is the shiney leather quite stiff?
I have some "Tweed C" boots in the same last and I fancy getting the shoe version.
I haven't worn it yet, weather is not quite suitable at the moment. I'll save it for the winter months. The leather is just slightly stiffer but not uncomfortable. I think I can manage. I have some "Tweed C" boots in the same last and I fancy getting the shoe version.
I've invited to the Cheaney Ambassador evening over at Covent Garden few days ago. Got to meet Mr Church himself and also placing an order for a semi bespoke 1 of 1 Cheaneys.
Just love the fiddle waist
I've yet to spec it up but will do so when I head back to Jermyn St.
It's all in the envelope
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Photos of two pairs of green shoes (not to mention one of g3org3y above) on one page, and not a single comment from Traibi.
I do hope (as annoying as you can sometimes be
) that you have neither been banned from the thread, nor are feeling unwell.
In case anyone missed it...g3org3y
I do hope (as annoying as you can sometimes be
) that you have neither been banned from the thread, nor are feeling unwell.In case anyone missed it...g3org3y
Git!Fas1975 said:
Have been looking for a pair of smart casual shoes for a little while, these were available in the Jones sale and just ordered. Never had Jefferey West's before, but have heard positive things about the brand
Depends on whether they are "real" ones or not. Their range they sell through their own shops, and a few retailers are great shoes. They also do a range, made abroad, designed to retail at about £100 for cheap retail outlets and those are not so great. Can't say what I am looking at from that shot Edited .... just been over and had a look. Cheap retail range not their boutique stuff. Don't believe the "retail" prices on those that's bulls
t. The shoes in those ranges are £100 retailers Edited by craigjm on Saturday 15th July 15:14
craigjm said:
Depends on whether they are "real" ones or not. Their range they sell through their own shops, and a few retailers are great shoes. They also do a range, made abroad, designed to retail at about £100 for cheap retail outlets and those are not so great. Can't say what I am looking at from that shot
Edited .... just been over and had a look. Cheap retail range not their boutique stuff. Don't believe the "retail" prices on those that's bullst. The shoes in those ranges are £100 retailers
That suggests that the difference is not as profound as you make out.Edited .... just been over and had a look. Cheap retail range not their boutique stuff. Don't believe the "retail" prices on those that's bulls
t. The shoes in those ranges are £100 retailers Edited by craigjm on Saturday 15th July 15:14
Fas1975 said:
Will have a look for the "made in...." stamp when they arrive. Thanks for the heads up
It's not about where they are made as the proper range is made in Northampton and in Italy. It's about how they are constructed and the lasts that they use. They don't have a made in stamp. The cheaper range is made in Spain.The cheaper retail ones are not terrible but they are distinctly two different quality levels. Instead of being Goodyear welted or blake stitched they are cemented and are not really JW shoes they just use some of their design cues and are made by a Spanish company and branded under licence
Edited by craigjm on Saturday 15th July 15:43
InductionRoar said:
craigjm said:
Depends on whether they are "real" ones or not. Their range they sell through their own shops, and a few retailers are great shoes. They also do a range, made abroad, designed to retail at about £100 for cheap retail outlets and those are not so great. Can't say what I am looking at from that shot
Edited .... just been over and had a look. Cheap retail range not their boutique stuff. Don't believe the "retail" prices on those that's bullst. The shoes in those ranges are £100 retailers
That suggests that the difference is not as profound as you make out.Edited .... just been over and had a look. Cheap retail range not their boutique stuff. Don't believe the "retail" prices on those that's bulls
t. The shoes in those ranges are £100 retailers Edited by craigjm on Saturday 15th July 15:14
craigjm said:
It's not about where they are made as the proper range is made in Northampton and in Italy. It's about how they are constructed and the lasts that they use. They don't have a made in stamp. The cheaper range is made in Spain.
The cheaper retail ones are not terrible but they are distinctly two different quality levels. Instead of being Goodyear welted or blake stitched they are cemented and are not really JW shoes they just use some of their design cues and are made by a Spanish company and branded under licence
Craig, for my/our own education, can you point out the things I/we should be looking out for?The cheaper retail ones are not terrible but they are distinctly two different quality levels. Instead of being Goodyear welted or blake stitched they are cemented and are not really JW shoes they just use some of their design cues and are made by a Spanish company and branded under licence
Are these the shoes in question?
Reportedly Goodyear welted. They look good to me.
Jones is a decent retailer ime. Was £260, now £179.
Edited by g3org3y on Saturday 15th July 16:01
g3org3y said:
Craig, for my/our own education, can you point out the things I/we should be looking out for?
Are these the shoes in question?
Reportedly Goodyear welted. They look good to me.
Jones is a decent retailer ime. Was £260, now £179.
That's them Are these the shoes in question?
Reportedly Goodyear welted. They look good to me.
Jones is a decent retailer ime. Was £260, now £179.
Edited by g3org3y on Saturday 15th July 16:01
And agreed, would appreciate knowing what to look for if it's not as straightforward as a "made in" stamp. i know going back through G3org3y's post's he had some shoes with a made in india stamp, I guess that was obvious. Any hints to these being sub-par would be appreciated.
Fas1975 said:
That's them
And agreed, would appreciate knowing what to look for if it's not as straightforward as a "made in" stamp. i know going back through G3org3y's post's he had some shoes with a made in india stamp, I guess that was obvious. Any hints to these being sub-par would be appreciated.
Those were some Barker shoes linked from TK Maxx. IIRC the debate was whether the Barkers (+ other brands) on TK Maxx were the real deal shoes or a cheaper sub-brand. I think we concluded both occurred. The Cheaneys I bought last year were the real deal, as were the most recent Barker loafers I bought (proper box, shoe bags etc). However I also bought the two tone Barker brogues that didn't have a 'proper' sole, not proper box and deemed them part of the cheaper sub-brand so to speak. I note that entire Barker range on TK Maxx have now been labelled George Webb by Barker (that's not to say they aren't decent enough shoes, esp if GW, but they aren't £300 shoes if that makes sense).And agreed, would appreciate knowing what to look for if it's not as straightforward as a "made in" stamp. i know going back through G3org3y's post's he had some shoes with a made in india stamp, I guess that was obvious. Any hints to these being sub-par would be appreciated.
With regards to the JWs:
Here is another 'Bay' style (diff colour) from the official JW website. RRP £275 The sole is a different design as those on Jones but, again labelled as GW. Same structure though with the (imo) 'proper' heel.
ASOS also sell JWs, but I'm pretty certain they are the cheaper ones. I think you can tell this looking at the sole (one piece across rubber heel, no nailed on bit and no reports of goodyear welting).
To my uneducated eye, I think the 'Bay' ones in the sale at Jones are the real deal. Though just as likely, Craig may of course rip my reply apart and we'll all learn something
Edited by g3org3y on Saturday 15th July 16:26
The Spanish under licence range have been taking more and more of the style cues over the years. It used to be easy because the budget range didn't have the clef heel but some of them, as in this example now do and some are now coming Goodyear welted too.
If you put a pair side by side the difference in the quality of the leather and construction of the sole and heel and obvious but failing that currently you can tell the difference in the two ranges by....
Price.... the top level shoes will rarely be found for less than £200 even in a sale
The sole.... on the cheaper range they always have that "patch" of colour (usually black) at the front that you can see in the pic you posted
The image inside... can't find any examples on google images but the cheaper range will have an image of a lady devil or a kind of crest with some wording whereas the more expensive range has various designs of insects, Churchill etc.
Name.... the cheaper range used to be known as Muse but sometimes they drop that name and if it's just called something like Bay it will be the muse range. The more expensive range use the name of the lasts such Moon, Dexter, Brilleaux etc before the name of the style
You can't get away from placing them side by side though. It's like comparing a Toyota Prius to a Lexus LS. They can share the same parent company and some styling details but side by side you can see the difference in quality.
There are now quite a few Jeffery West boutique shops around the country now outside of London such as Manchester and Leeds. Go take a look and get hands on with the product.
If you are not sure check out the main JW website and anything that is not listed under the Goodyear Welted and Blake stitched range will be the Spanish under licence stuff.
If you put a pair side by side the difference in the quality of the leather and construction of the sole and heel and obvious but failing that currently you can tell the difference in the two ranges by....
Price.... the top level shoes will rarely be found for less than £200 even in a sale
The sole.... on the cheaper range they always have that "patch" of colour (usually black) at the front that you can see in the pic you posted
The image inside... can't find any examples on google images but the cheaper range will have an image of a lady devil or a kind of crest with some wording whereas the more expensive range has various designs of insects, Churchill etc.
Name.... the cheaper range used to be known as Muse but sometimes they drop that name and if it's just called something like Bay it will be the muse range. The more expensive range use the name of the lasts such Moon, Dexter, Brilleaux etc before the name of the style
You can't get away from placing them side by side though. It's like comparing a Toyota Prius to a Lexus LS. They can share the same parent company and some styling details but side by side you can see the difference in quality.
There are now quite a few Jeffery West boutique shops around the country now outside of London such as Manchester and Leeds. Go take a look and get hands on with the product.
If you are not sure check out the main JW website and anything that is not listed under the Goodyear Welted and Blake stitched range will be the Spanish under licence stuff.
Edited by craigjm on Saturday 15th July 16:55
craigjm said:
InductionRoar said:
craigjm said:
Can you tell the difference between Goodyear welted and cemented shoes from such a distant shot?
Yes. I find the welt stitching useful in that regard.I did, however, take the effort to look on the Jeffery West website before posting. None of their cemented construction shoes have any fake stitching so I would have thought they would be very easy to tell apart.
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