Dodgiest person you ever knew?
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JPJPJP said:
Not sure if it is urban myth or reality, but I remember hearing about a door to door insurance seller who was jailed. He had just pocketed most of the premium money collected and it came to light when a customer needed to claim and was told by the claims line that she had no policy.
The villain’s boss gave evidence. He said it was a particularly sad case because if the guy has booked the business properly, he wouldn’t be in the dock: he would be in Barbados having won the firm’s annual sales person of the year prize!
Was he called Arthur Fowler?The villain’s boss gave evidence. He said it was a particularly sad case because if the guy has booked the business properly, he wouldn’t be in the dock: he would be in Barbados having won the firm’s annual sales person of the year prize!
SCEtoAUX said:
He was probably in prison. They have Parkhurst (or maybe Wormwood Scrubs) on the Isle of Wight, and the only tigers are in Ryde Zoo (probably).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ntVWRhfqo0An ex neighbour in our village ran a well known car franchise with his family in the late 70's to mid 80's.
He was caught setting up fake new car sales and Hire Purchase agreements for non existent customers and admitted pocketing about £180k, but most likely a lot more, which he stashed away somewhere safe. That was a good sum of money in those days.
He was sentenced to 4 years or so in a low security prison and during the latter part of his sentence came home for weekends and spent most of it in the local pub splashing his money, to the disgust of many of the locals.
He transferred all his assets including the house onto his wife's name and declared himself bankrupt when they finally came after him for the money, none of which he repaid.
They are retired, live in Spain, they have an apartment there which they bought 20 years or so ago for £50k and rent out. and probably pay no tax on the income from it.
They live in a 4 bedroom villa with swimming pool, all paid for, have a £35k caravan which they took over with them when they moved there permanently 2 years ago and still own the £300k bungalow with no mortgage which they rent out in my village for £1200 per month, and probably pay no tax on the income from it, and they both receive their full state pension kindly transferred to them each month by the Gvt.
No, crime doesn't pay, definitely not
He was caught setting up fake new car sales and Hire Purchase agreements for non existent customers and admitted pocketing about £180k, but most likely a lot more, which he stashed away somewhere safe. That was a good sum of money in those days.
He was sentenced to 4 years or so in a low security prison and during the latter part of his sentence came home for weekends and spent most of it in the local pub splashing his money, to the disgust of many of the locals.
He transferred all his assets including the house onto his wife's name and declared himself bankrupt when they finally came after him for the money, none of which he repaid.
They are retired, live in Spain, they have an apartment there which they bought 20 years or so ago for £50k and rent out. and probably pay no tax on the income from it.
They live in a 4 bedroom villa with swimming pool, all paid for, have a £35k caravan which they took over with them when they moved there permanently 2 years ago and still own the £300k bungalow with no mortgage which they rent out in my village for £1200 per month, and probably pay no tax on the income from it, and they both receive their full state pension kindly transferred to them each month by the Gvt.
No, crime doesn't pay, definitely not
Monkeylegend said:
They are retired, live in Spain, they have an apartment there which they bought 20 years or so ago for £50k and rent out. and probably pay no tax on the income from it.
They live in a 4 bedroom villa with swimming pool, all paid for, have a £35k caravan which they took over with them when they moved there permanently 2 years ago and still own the £300k bungalow with no mortgage which they rent out in my village for £1200 per month, and probably pay no tax on the income from it, and they both receive their full state pension kindly transferred to them each month by the Gvt.
How is that that you know so much detail about their finances? They live in a 4 bedroom villa with swimming pool, all paid for, have a £35k caravan which they took over with them when they moved there permanently 2 years ago and still own the £300k bungalow with no mortgage which they rent out in my village for £1200 per month, and probably pay no tax on the income from it, and they both receive their full state pension kindly transferred to them each month by the Gvt.
Doofus said:
Monkeylegend said:
They are retired, live in Spain, they have an apartment there which they bought 20 years or so ago for £50k and rent out. and probably pay no tax on the income from it.
They live in a 4 bedroom villa with swimming pool, all paid for, have a £35k caravan which they took over with them when they moved there permanently 2 years ago and still own the £300k bungalow with no mortgage which they rent out in my village for £1200 per month, and probably pay no tax on the income from it, and they both receive their full state pension kindly transferred to them each month by the Gvt.
How is that that you know so much detail about their finances? They live in a 4 bedroom villa with swimming pool, all paid for, have a £35k caravan which they took over with them when they moved there permanently 2 years ago and still own the £300k bungalow with no mortgage which they rent out in my village for £1200 per month, and probably pay no tax on the income from it, and they both receive their full state pension kindly transferred to them each month by the Gvt.
The local newspapers also reported his crimes at the time he was jailed.
He is still in regular contact with another two neighbours so they report in on a regular basis about his exploits in Spain.
Just to add I am not nosy and never asked him anything about his finances etc, he loved to brag.
Monkeylegend said:
Doofus said:
Monkeylegend said:
They are retired, live in Spain, they have an apartment there which they bought 20 years or so ago for £50k and rent out. and probably pay no tax on the income from it.
They live in a 4 bedroom villa with swimming pool, all paid for, have a £35k caravan which they took over with them when they moved there permanently 2 years ago and still own the £300k bungalow with no mortgage which they rent out in my village for £1200 per month, and probably pay no tax on the income from it, and they both receive their full state pension kindly transferred to them each month by the Gvt.
How is that that you know so much detail about their finances? They live in a 4 bedroom villa with swimming pool, all paid for, have a £35k caravan which they took over with them when they moved there permanently 2 years ago and still own the £300k bungalow with no mortgage which they rent out in my village for £1200 per month, and probably pay no tax on the income from it, and they both receive their full state pension kindly transferred to them each month by the Gvt.
The local newspapers also reported his crimes at the time he was jailed.
He is still in regular contact with another two neighbours so they report in on a regular basis about his exploits in Spain.
Just to add I am not nosy and never asked him anything about his finances etc, he loved to brag.
I thought you were going to tell us the mileage on his cars next. Doofus said:
Monkeylegend said:
Doofus said:
Monkeylegend said:
They are retired, live in Spain, they have an apartment there which they bought 20 years or so ago for £50k and rent out. and probably pay no tax on the income from it.
They live in a 4 bedroom villa with swimming pool, all paid for, have a £35k caravan which they took over with them when they moved there permanently 2 years ago and still own the £300k bungalow with no mortgage which they rent out in my village for £1200 per month, and probably pay no tax on the income from it, and they both receive their full state pension kindly transferred to them each month by the Gvt.
How is that that you know so much detail about their finances? They live in a 4 bedroom villa with swimming pool, all paid for, have a £35k caravan which they took over with them when they moved there permanently 2 years ago and still own the £300k bungalow with no mortgage which they rent out in my village for £1200 per month, and probably pay no tax on the income from it, and they both receive their full state pension kindly transferred to them each month by the Gvt.
The local newspapers also reported his crimes at the time he was jailed.
He is still in regular contact with another two neighbours so they report in on a regular basis about his exploits in Spain.
Just to add I am not nosy and never asked him anything about his finances etc, he loved to brag.
I thought you were going to tell us the mileage on his cars next. But I never bothered
Funnily enough, despite his past he was a harmless lovable rouge who I got on well with both him and his wife. He was the sort who didn't worry about anything and just cruised through life without a care in the world. I kind of envied his attitude in a way.
He tried to write a couple of books and asked me to proof read them for him, one was actually published
Friend of mine is now a personal trainer, does boxercise. He is a big man, years ago he used to collect debts , not exactly legitimate debts.
He used to get into debtors houses in the middle of the night and stand at the foot of their bed. When they work up he would tell them that the debt was to be paid next day. They always paid up.
He used to get into debtors houses in the middle of the night and stand at the foot of their bed. When they work up he would tell them that the debt was to be paid next day. They always paid up.
An acquaintance did some travelling with Gerald Bull. Some considered Bull a bit dodgy. Mossad did for example. So they assassinated him.
I don't think I know any hardened crims, but I've met a few people who certainly looked a bit dodgy. There was a friendly but very drunk bloke propped up on a bar stool in a Slovakian dump. Dodgy ribbed jumper, quite a few missing teeth. He seemed keen to chat but we didn't have a language in common and I doubt he was coherent in any anyway. So he grinned, winked, tapped the side of his nose a lot, then would peer around to check no one else was watching, wink a bit more, then heave up his jumper to reveal a CS grenade tucked into the front of his trousers. To be honest, the first time he did this seeing the grenade was a bit of a relief because I thought he was going to show us his cock. The evening went downhill after that and we ended up running away from a pizza restaurant because some Madame was offended that we weren't interested in hiring her obviously underage prostitutes. Think the town was Zilina. Probably a lovely place now, but when I visited it it would have had a special feature in the Quite f
king Rough Guide to Eastern Europe.
I don't think I know any hardened crims, but I've met a few people who certainly looked a bit dodgy. There was a friendly but very drunk bloke propped up on a bar stool in a Slovakian dump. Dodgy ribbed jumper, quite a few missing teeth. He seemed keen to chat but we didn't have a language in common and I doubt he was coherent in any anyway. So he grinned, winked, tapped the side of his nose a lot, then would peer around to check no one else was watching, wink a bit more, then heave up his jumper to reveal a CS grenade tucked into the front of his trousers. To be honest, the first time he did this seeing the grenade was a bit of a relief because I thought he was going to show us his cock. The evening went downhill after that and we ended up running away from a pizza restaurant because some Madame was offended that we weren't interested in hiring her obviously underage prostitutes. Think the town was Zilina. Probably a lovely place now, but when I visited it it would have had a special feature in the Quite f
king Rough Guide to Eastern Europe.A few of my old school associates went off the rails and have spent their adult lives in and out of jail for stupid stuff. Petty theft and drug offences mostly. Hardly dodgy though, just people who have got stuck in downward spiral that the more fortunate or determined among us manage to pull out of, or avoid altogether.
The only person I know who is a bit more serious is a partner of a friend of mine. A full patch Hells Angel who spends his days driving lorries, and his evenings and weekends doing stuff for his local charter. He's apparently a very good debt collector, which I don't doubt. Sometimes you meet someone and despite them being polite and respectful, you just know they aren't someone you'd want to fall out with. The daft part is, if you think of a stereotypical Hells Angel (big, bearded man-mountain), you'd be miles off. He's about 5ft 10, lean and fit, and clean shaven. But there's something about the guy that told me he wasn't someone to fall out with, even before I found out what he was about.
The only person I know who is a bit more serious is a partner of a friend of mine. A full patch Hells Angel who spends his days driving lorries, and his evenings and weekends doing stuff for his local charter. He's apparently a very good debt collector, which I don't doubt. Sometimes you meet someone and despite them being polite and respectful, you just know they aren't someone you'd want to fall out with. The daft part is, if you think of a stereotypical Hells Angel (big, bearded man-mountain), you'd be miles off. He's about 5ft 10, lean and fit, and clean shaven. But there's something about the guy that told me he wasn't someone to fall out with, even before I found out what he was about.
BT Summers said:
Friend of mine is now a personal trainer, does boxercise. He is a big man, years ago he used to collect debts , not exactly legitimate debts.
He used to get into debtors houses in the middle of the night and stand at the foot of their bed. When they work up he would tell them that the debt was to be paid next day. They always paid up.
That old chestnut. Loads of 'debt collectors' tell that story.He used to get into debtors houses in the middle of the night and stand at the foot of their bed. When they work up he would tell them that the debt was to be paid next day. They always paid up.
This was my lettings agent for a home I used to rent:
https://www.northsomersettimes.co.uk/news/court/cl...
Very nice to me, but the landlord came over once when bringing over some paperwork and said 'never get on the wrong side of Kevin', rather out of the blue during a conversation!
https://www.northsomersettimes.co.uk/news/court/cl...
Very nice to me, but the landlord came over once when bringing over some paperwork and said 'never get on the wrong side of Kevin', rather out of the blue during a conversation!
Gameface said:
That old chestnut. Loads of 'debt collectors' tell that story.
Jim did it to avoid violence and therefore no police involvement. I think it was common but effective.His life went off the rails when he arrived home from school and found his next door neighbour inside Jim's kitchen, he hit the neighbour with a bottle. Jim went to a YOI where he learned to box and look after himself.
Old school friend from my teens that I had lost contact with over the years came to work for the same employer as me, but in a different department. Seemed a bit odd and didn't really get on with anyone at work socially.
One day I received a call from a colleague while away on business to ask whether I had heard the latest? Police had arrived at reception with a warrant to seize any computer equipment that the ex-friend had access and to search his desk. He had been arrested for multiple counts of child pornography, including distribution. The bust of a US key member of his group had caused a ripple out in his direction and ended up quite rightly receiving a 5 years sentence. Probably out now and laying low somewhere?
One day I received a call from a colleague while away on business to ask whether I had heard the latest? Police had arrived at reception with a warrant to seize any computer equipment that the ex-friend had access and to search his desk. He had been arrested for multiple counts of child pornography, including distribution. The bust of a US key member of his group had caused a ripple out in his direction and ended up quite rightly receiving a 5 years sentence. Probably out now and laying low somewhere?
BT Summers said:
Gameface said:
That old chestnut. Loads of 'debt collectors' tell that story.
Jim did it to avoid violence and therefore no police involvement. I think it was common but effective.His life went off the rails when he arrived home from school and found his next door neighbour inside Jim's kitchen, he hit the neighbour with a bottle. Jim went to a YOI where he learned to box and look after himself.
No police involvement? He's supposedly regularly breaking into people's houses and demanding money with menaces.
You think these blokes just stand at the foot of people's beds for hours on end until daylight like some sort of Terminator?
It's b
ks mate. It doesn't work that way.
Gameface said:
I know this business. It's an urban legend.
No police involvement? He's supposedly regularly breaking into people's houses and demanding money with menaces.
You think these blokes just stand at the foot of people's beds for hours on end until daylight like some sort of Terminator?
It's bks mate.
It doesn't work that way.
What way does it work 50?No police involvement? He's supposedly regularly breaking into people's houses and demanding money with menaces.
You think these blokes just stand at the foot of people's beds for hours on end until daylight like some sort of Terminator?
It's b
ks mate. It doesn't work that way.
Gameface said:
BT Summers said:
Gameface said:
That old chestnut. Loads of 'debt collectors' tell that story.
Jim did it to avoid violence and therefore no police involvement. I think it was common but effective.His life went off the rails when he arrived home from school and found his next door neighbour inside Jim's kitchen, he hit the neighbour with a bottle. Jim went to a YOI where he learned to box and look after himself.
No police involvement? He's supposedly regularly breaking into people's houses and demanding money with menaces.
You think these blokes just stand at the foot of people's beds for hours on end until daylight like some sort of Terminator?
It's b
ks mate. It doesn't work that way.
Robbo 27 said:
Known a few.
An enforcer, one of the nicest men I ever knew. He was an ex boxer, that was how I knew him, his job was to collect debts from people who were rich but didnt want to pay up. His technique was to get into their houses, even at 2 AM standing at the foor of the debtors bed and suggest that the money was paid later that day. They always paid. He had a very nasty double edged metal stick, he said he had never had to use it, the threat was enough.
Quite a few of these bedside terminators about An enforcer, one of the nicest men I ever knew. He was an ex boxer, that was how I knew him, his job was to collect debts from people who were rich but didnt want to pay up. His technique was to get into their houses, even at 2 AM standing at the foor of the debtors bed and suggest that the money was paid later that day. They always paid. He had a very nasty double edged metal stick, he said he had never had to use it, the threat was enough.
doesthiswork said:
Not dodgy but scummy - a bloke I was at school with stole a car, crashed the car and legged it, leaving the passenger seriously injured in the car. The passenger was his brother.
Now you mention it, something similar happened when I was younger too.I didn't actually know the lad that ran off, but I knew the older brothers of the lad who was left caught in the car.
He's a charming chap.
https://www.barryanddistrictnews.co.uk/news/143321...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4595710/J...
His elder brothers were tearaways when they were younger, but they're decent people now, and the youngest of the four, was a Pop Star once upon a time.
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