Odd things your neighbours do?

Odd things your neighbours do?

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Red9zero

6,873 posts

58 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Flumpo said:
Psycho Warren said:
Red9zero said:
Oh my aching sides laugh Our estate has covenants about signwritten vans, caravans and motorhomes. Good luck getting anything done about it !
Some places they enforce them a bit more. Round my way there are a few new builds like that. So much so that the street I am on now has regularly 2-3 LWB vans dumped evenings and weekends as they can't park where they live. Fine if they were parked sensibly but often they park part blocking drives or blocking the pavement, or just blocking drives full stop, or parking opposite driveways so the car on the drive can't get off without doing a 6 million point turn (i have that often hence why i noticed!).

Covenants like that just move the problems into another street.
Who enforces them and what are the consequences?
From what I gathered, it is originally the developers, who in our case, handed it over to the parish council. Our local PC is absolutely useless and can't even run the local community centre.

Flumpo

3,759 posts

74 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Red9zero said:
Flumpo said:
Psycho Warren said:
Red9zero said:
Oh my aching sides laugh Our estate has covenants about signwritten vans, caravans and motorhomes. Good luck getting anything done about it !
Some places they enforce them a bit more. Round my way there are a few new builds like that. So much so that the street I am on now has regularly 2-3 LWB vans dumped evenings and weekends as they can't park where they live. Fine if they were parked sensibly but often they park part blocking drives or blocking the pavement, or just blocking drives full stop, or parking opposite driveways so the car on the drive can't get off without doing a 6 million point turn (i have that often hence why i noticed!).

Covenants like that just move the problems into another street.
Who enforces them and what are the consequences?
From what I gathered, it is originally the developers, who in our case, handed it over to the parish council. Our local PC is absolutely useless and can't even run the local community centre.
I think in this case the parish or even his local council couldn’t enforce this as it’s private property. I bit like you a may have one saying you can’t build over a drain. But only the water company could complain in reality, your neighbour wouldn’t get far instructing a solicitor to remove your shed. If it was an adopted road the council could maybe get involved as you say. The whole no vans, satellite dishes and so on are only really enforced if the developer is selling the houses. It might be worth a try for Hackney, but I dont it will get anywhere. I can’t say I’ve ever known of an example where it’s been enforced after the builders have left the site and never by anyone other than the site manager/email from admin.

I sympathise he doesn’t want to look at this van, but I really think he’s being unreasonable. He actually seems like a fairly level headed guy as he’s not threatened anyone on here, hasn’t stormed off in a huff or quoted any legal guff off google. It’s probably a very good example of how these neighbour disputes escalate from very minor misunderstandings or misconceptions to something nasty. Hopefully he puts a hedge up.


bimsb6

8,043 posts

222 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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How u doing said:
bimsb6 said:
No , both garages belong to that property .the one on the left can’t be driven into due to the hedging on the left and to get into the right one you need to slalom your way past the conifer , before he died he asked me if i would cut it down for him , except the lazy bd wouldn’t have helped and i would have had to lug it all up the garden which is approx 50m away . fk that .

Edited by bimsb6 on Thursday 24th June 21:10
Did he tell you he wasn't well?
He wasn’t ill at the time , dead now .

lonny

412 posts

244 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Red9zero said:
Flumpo said:
Psycho Warren said:
Red9zero said:
Oh my aching sides laugh Our estate has covenants about signwritten vans, caravans and motorhomes. Good luck getting anything done about it !
Some places they enforce them a bit more. Round my way there are a few new builds like that. So much so that the street I am on now has regularly 2-3 LWB vans dumped evenings and weekends as they can't park where they live. Fine if they were parked sensibly but often they park part blocking drives or blocking the pavement, or just blocking drives full stop, or parking opposite driveways so the car on the drive can't get off without doing a 6 million point turn (i have that often hence why i noticed!).

Covenants like that just move the problems into another street.
Who enforces them and what are the consequences?
From what I gathered, it is originally the developers, who in our case, handed it over to the parish council. Our local PC is absolutely useless and can't even run the local community centre.
I bought a new build about 30 years ago and my solicitor at the time said the builder will enforce the covenant right up until they sell the last plot on the development. After that it is up to you to enforce it and no one ever does.

How u doing

27,041 posts

184 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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bimsb6 said:
How u doing said:
bimsb6 said:
No , both garages belong to that property .the one on the left can’t be driven into due to the hedging on the left and to get into the right one you need to slalom your way past the conifer , before he died he asked me if i would cut it down for him , except the lazy bd wouldn’t have helped and i would have had to lug it all up the garden which is approx 50m away . fk that .

Edited by bimsb6 on Thursday 24th June 21:10
Did he tell you he wasn't well?
He wasn’t ill at the time , dead now .
Ouch.

bimsb6

8,043 posts

222 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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How u doing said:
bimsb6 said:
How u doing said:
bimsb6 said:
No , both garages belong to that property .the one on the left can’t be driven into due to the hedging on the left and to get into the right one you need to slalom your way past the conifer , before he died he asked me if i would cut it down for him , except the lazy bd wouldn’t have helped and i would have had to lug it all up the garden which is approx 50m away . fk that .

Edited by bimsb6 on Thursday 24th June 21:10
Did he tell you he wasn't well?
He wasn’t ill at the time , dead now .
Ouch.
Would have been weirder if he had asked me after he died !

Hackney

6,850 posts

209 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Flumpo said:
bungz said:
Is that road not even your road then?

Id have a nosebleed if I came home to a new build estate, the layouts/plots boggle m mind.
It’s not a road at all, it’s the neighbours drive.
I don’t think it’s the neighbour’s drive in that anyone has access to it. On foot or in a car.

Hackney

6,850 posts

209 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Zippee said:
Paddymcc said:
Hackney said:
I’m off, because I’d rather look at (what will be) a small grassy area with a few trees instead of the side of a van?
Yes you seem to think you have some perceived right to a view from your window at your neighbours expense.
Sorry mate, I'm with all the others. It may be a turning space but the only house that can really use it is your neighbours. They have every right to park there, as mentioned grow some laurel or similar and it'll soon be hidden.
You - and others seem to have missed the point.
It’s not that my view is of a van, it’s that the van blocks the view. Tall plants would also block the view.

I have asked someone with two parking spaces if they wouldn’t mind parking their car in their parking space. That’s all.
Yes, it would benefit me, but it’s hardly a hardship to park your car in your own parking space, is it?

McGee_22

6,721 posts

180 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Hackney said:
Zippee said:
Paddymcc said:
Hackney said:
I’m off, because I’d rather look at (what will be) a small grassy area with a few trees instead of the side of a van?
Yes you seem to think you have some perceived right to a view from your window at your neighbours expense.
Sorry mate, I'm with all the others. It may be a turning space but the only house that can really use it is your neighbours. They have every right to park there, as mentioned grow some laurel or similar and it'll soon be hidden.
You - and others seem to have missed the point.
It’s not that my view is of a van, it’s that the van blocks the view. Tall plants would also block the view.

I have asked someone with two parking spaces if they wouldn’t mind parking their car in their parking space. That’s all.
Yes, it would benefit me, but it’s hardly a hardship to park your car in your own parking space, is it?
You're talking as if you are entitled to the view.

You do realise you are not entitled to the view don't you?

The view is what it is- it will always be that way until such time as someone buys that litlte patch of green and builds a house where the green is. After that, a small van will be remembered as a minor issue instead of a house, with a high fence, some screaming kids and a pile of crap that the homeowner throws over the top of his new fence, away from his house and away from his view so that he doesn't have to see it.

Directly opposite us is an ugly little bungalow with an unkempt garden, poorly looked after hedges and shrubs and a crumbling uncared for dwarf wall. The owner mumbles and grumbles amidst his dementia and mourning of his late wife and has a pair of daughters that visit every other day to try and soothe his paranoia, his worries and his dreadful loneliness.

My wife remarked on it one day and I told her to enjoy it for what it is, as in a few more years when the 91 year old who lives there turns up his toes we will have 6 months of a flattened bungalow followed by 18 months of cheap fence or railings barely containing a boisterous, noisy, filthy building site and then a two and half storey 6 bedroomed wimpey lookalike behind foreboding and unneccessary electric gates with a never ending succession of delivery vans, alarm and heating engineers, gardeners and whatever other staff the new owners deem necessary.

We agreed that grumpy old man in his small, quiet, peaceful corner bungalow with occasional family popping in to try and assuage his fears and calm his grief was a fine alternative to the almost inevitable over-redevelopment and all it will entail.

TLDR; be grateful of the small van, it could be a campervan and in few years will probably be another house the size of yours.

Flumpo

3,759 posts

74 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Got a right odd ball neighbour at the minute. I bought my house and as I really like interior design, I purposely bought my house because of the view.

From the end of my drive the view is into the neighbours snug. I wanted to be able to sit in my van and look into the snug and admire the decor, or that’s what I thought. But get this, the c*^t has only gone and turned it into an OFFICE!

It’s a new build, so I’ve been and complained to the builders still on site. They agree on the floor plans it’s labelled a ‘snug’ and not an office and he’s wrong. But there isn’t anything they can do apparently. They will tell you anything you want to hear before you buy though!

Anyway, I politely asked if he could return it to a snug because I bought the house for a view of a snug. I was really looking forward to some nice scatter cushions, maybe some of those black and white New York pictures and probably a Buddha head. That Didn’t go down well as he’s clearly a complete tt.

Not impressed, I now have to stare at this office, he’s even put up a motivational poster of a cat dressed in a tie and a small whiteboard. Totally fed up of how inconsiderate people are.

If he puts a parrot in there I’m calling the council.

sevensfun

730 posts

37 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Flumpo said:
Got a right odd ball neighbour at the minute. I bought my house and as I really like interior design, I purposely bought my house because of the view.

From the end of my drive the view is into the neighbours snug. I wanted to be able to sit in my van and look into the snug and admire the decor, or that’s what I thought. But get this, the c*^t has only gone and turned it into an OFFICE!

It’s a new build, so I’ve been and complained to the builders still on site. They agree on the floor plans it’s labelled a ‘snug’ and not an office and he’s wrong. But there isn’t anything they can do apparently. They will tell you anything you want to hear before you buy though!

Anyway, I politely asked if he could return it to a snug because I bought the house for a view of a snug. I was really looking forward to some nice scatter cushions, maybe some of those black and white New York pictures and probably a Buddha head. That Didn’t go down well as he’s clearly a complete tt.

Not impressed, I now have to stare at this office, he’s even put up a motivational poster of a cat dressed in a tie and a small whiteboard. Totally fed up of how inconsiderate people are.

If he puts a parrot in there I’m calling the council.
Csb

SunsetZed

2,256 posts

171 months

Saturday 26th June 2021
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Flumpo said:
Red9zero said:
Flumpo said:
Psycho Warren said:
Red9zero said:
Oh my aching sides laugh Our estate has covenants about signwritten vans, caravans and motorhomes. Good luck getting anything done about it !
Some places they enforce them a bit more. Round my way there are a few new builds like that. So much so that the street I am on now has regularly 2-3 LWB vans dumped evenings and weekends as they can't park where they live. Fine if they were parked sensibly but often they park part blocking drives or blocking the pavement, or just blocking drives full stop, or parking opposite driveways so the car on the drive can't get off without doing a 6 million point turn (i have that often hence why i noticed!).

Covenants like that just move the problems into another street.
Who enforces them and what are the consequences?
From what I gathered, it is originally the developers, who in our case, handed it over to the parish council. Our local PC is absolutely useless and can't even run the local community centre.
I think in this case the parish or even his local council couldn’t enforce this as it’s private property. I bit like you a may have one saying you can’t build over a drain. But only the water company could complain in reality, your neighbour wouldn’t get far instructing a solicitor to remove your shed. If it was an adopted road the council could maybe get involved as you say. The whole no vans, satellite dishes and so on are only really enforced if the developer is selling the houses. It might be worth a try for Hackney, but I dont it will get anywhere. I can’t say I’ve ever known of an example where it’s been enforced after the builders have left the site and never by anyone other than the site manager/email from admin.

I sympathise he doesn’t want to look at this van, but I really think he’s being unreasonable. He actually seems like a fairly level headed guy as he’s not threatened anyone on here, hasn’t stormed off in a huff or quoted any legal guff off google. It’s probably a very good example of how these neighbour disputes escalate from very minor misunderstandings or misconceptions to something nasty. Hopefully he puts a hedge up.
I agree with this, possibly also planting a tree to encourage the pigeons to sit in and poo from to discourage anyone from parking there too may work based on recent posts on this thread...

Blib

44,169 posts

198 months

Saturday 26th June 2021
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Hackney said:
I don't want to belittle your feelings, as it is obvious from your post that you are finding it difficult to live with this situation at present.

However, it's not much of a "view" to get annoyed about. Without the van in the way you're left with about fifty feet of grass and then the side of another house.

It's not exactly the Matterhorn, or the Amazon delta.

I suggest that you invest in one of these. It will promote neighbourly harmony and save you from a lot of grief and heartache, in the long run.


PT1984

2,288 posts

184 months

Saturday 26th June 2021
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Hackney said:
When I said “exclusive access” I meant, no other houses would have cause to use that turning point.

I’m not that angry, yet. At the moment it’s a slight frustration over someone else’s laziness and human nature in general.
I have two spaces, I use them, even though I could park in that same space and be closer to my front door than my own spaces.

I bought the house overlooking a turning point and a nice grassy (maybe with trees too). It’s on the plans. I’ve got a view of a van.
My wife hates my outlook on this, but on our road it is those who drive commercial vehicles who are the most inconsiderate. Parking them on the blind corner. On pavements. Outside other people houses.

This is probably more relevant to a previous post which discusses vans parking on his road that have been displaced by covenants on neighbouring roads.

Here there seems to be a fad for twin cab Navara and Ranger type trucks with flat beds. Even though the owners work in offices. I can’t see them getting any tax benefit for them being commercial vehicles as they are likely privately owned. I don’t get it. It seems they didn’t get prior to purchase that the things won’t fit on their drives. So it’s default to pavement parking. Yet it’s me who’s made to feel like a prick for moaning.


Edited by PT1984 on Saturday 26th June 10:06


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Edited by PT1984 on Saturday 26th June 10:25

Tankrizzo

7,275 posts

194 months

Saturday 26th June 2021
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lord trumpton said:
Why not stir up a bit of st and contact the company he works for?

Explain the situation - they might just have a word with him
Don't do this. It's a tttish move.

elanfan

5,520 posts

228 months

Saturday 26th June 2021
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OP - offer to buy the space off him. Extend your fence out, job done.

Paddymcc

943 posts

192 months

Saturday 26th June 2021
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PT1984 said:
I can’t see them getting any tax benefit for them being commercial vehicles as they are likely privately owned. I don’t get it. It seems they didn’t get prior to purchase that the things won’t fit on their drives. So it’s default to pavement parking. Yet it’s me who’s made to feel like a prick for moaning.
Yes there is a tax benefit in respect to BIK payments to driving a commercial vehicle such as a Navara over a normal car.

It doesn't matter if you work in an office or fill the rear of it with rubble from some building site you work on.

mfmman

2,396 posts

184 months

Saturday 26th June 2021
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Tankrizzo said:
lord trumpton said:
Why not stir up a bit of st and contact the company he works for?

Explain the situation - they might just have a word with him
Don't do this. It's a tttish move.
As someone who used to work for a company that had liveried vans that occasionally had 'complaints' reported by either people with nothing better to do or a tenuous grasp on the Highway Code, you may well find you are ignored anyway.

deckster

9,630 posts

256 months

Saturday 26th June 2021
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mfmman said:
Tankrizzo said:
lord trumpton said:
Why not stir up a bit of st and contact the company he works for?

Explain the situation - they might just have a word with him
Don't do this. It's a tttish move.
As someone who used to work for a company that had liveried vans that occasionally had 'complaints' reported by either people with nothing better to do or a tenuous grasp on the Highway Code, you may well find you are ignored anyway.
Can you imagine?!

"Yes, hello"?
"I'd like to complain about one of your vans"
"Ok, go ahead"
"Well, it's parked where I can see it"
"Um, OK. Is it blocking anybody in?"
"No."
"So is it in anybody's way?"
"No."
"Is it on somebody else's land?"
"No."
"So what exactly is the problem?"
"Errr...well, I can see it. From my window."
<brrrrrrrr>

silverfoxcc

7,690 posts

146 months

Sunday 27th June 2021
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sevensfun said:
Flumpo said:
Got a right odd ball neighbour at the minute. I bought my house and as I really like interior design, I purposely bought my house because of the view.

From the end of my drive the view is into the neighbours snug. I wanted to be able to sit in my van and look into the snug and admire the decor, or that’s what I thought. But get this, the c*^t has only gone and turned it into an OFFICE!

It’s a new build, so I’ve been and complained to the builders still on site. They agree on the floor plans it’s labelled a ‘snug’ and not an office and he’s wrong. But there isn’t anything they can do apparently. They will tell you anything you want to hear before you buy though!

Anyway, I politely asked if he could return it to a snug because I bought the house for a view of a snug. I was really looking forward to some nice scatter cushions, maybe some of those black and white New York pictures and probably a Buddha head. That Didn’t go down well as he’s clearly a complete tt.

Not impressed, I now have to stare at this office, he’s even put up a motivational poster of a cat dressed in a tie and a small whiteboard. Totally fed up of how inconsiderate people are.



I konw it is Sunday, but what is a snug in a house?..unless it is a Pub north of Watford??

If he puts a parrot in there I’m calling the council.
Csb