Conspiracy Theories for Cynics

[V1nce Fox]

Apologies for my earlier post, not meant to be cryptic, was just in a rush.


What I meant was, start with some things which were considered to be conspiracy theories in the past but turned out to be true. Operation Northwoods, MK Ultra and so on.

From there I like to look for patterns to infer. The one that springs to mind is the "stand down" tactic of knowing something such as a terror attack is imminent and deliberately failing to stop it, thus garnering support for previously unpopular tactics (see also Overton Window). This theory has been applied to 911, Pearl Harbo(u)r and even the sacking of Ostia in the Roman Empire.

Another theory I find fascinating is the discrediting by association or muddying the water approach. An example of this might be helping spread the idea that 5g helps spread the coronavirus. The purpose of this is to attach an outrageous idea to a more probable one, such as 5g allowing authoritarian governmental control and surveillance to be increased.


I find the whole subject of conspiracy theories really interesting, both from a human psychological perspective and also when one turns out to be true (see Jimmy Savile, mutually assured destruction).

[mko9]

When was mutually assured destruction a conspiracy theory? It was never the explicitly stated policy, but I think everyone would have said that was the plan during the Cold War. BTW, the concept of MAD long predates nuclear weapons.

[V1nce Fox]

mko9 said:

When was mutually assured destruction a conspiracy theory? It was never the explicitly stated policy, but I think everyone would have said that was the plan during the Cold War. BTW, the concept of MAD long predates nuclear weapons.

i meant in the context of Savile having dirt on others to protect himself.

[MBBlat]

V1nce Fox said:

From there I like to look for patterns to infer. The one that springs to mind is the "stand down" tactic of knowing something such as a terror attack is imminent and deliberately failing to stop it, thus garnering support for previously unpopular tactics (see also Overton Window). This theory has been applied to 911, Pearl Harbo(u)r and even the sacking of Ostia in the Roman Empire.

Do you have any actual acknowledged examples of the "stand down" tactic actually being used? Hollywood movies excepted.
Pearl Harbour, 911 are more about missing all the connections before the event, which of course seem blindingly obvious after the event.

Look at Pearl Harbour - while its true that American codebreakers had broken the Japanese diplomatic code, that only told them that war was imminent. There was also I believe another intercepted message that forewarned of the attack, but was not regarded as a priority and only reached Washington several hours after the attack. Admiral Kimmel was also worried about sabotage, not an air attack. That's not forgetting that at the time the battleship was seen as the main war winning weapon, the carriers were still regarded as mainly support ships even by the Japanese, so why sacrifice your primary asset.

Of course with 50/50 hindsight we know that the carriers won the war in the Pacific, and that the defences at Pearl ought to have been on alert for an air attack, and all the other little clues were there.
Its also worth bearing in mind that the Japanese attack on the Philippines came a day later than the attack on Pearl and also caught the Americans by surprise.

[mko9]

V1nce Fox said:

mko9 said:

When was mutually assured destruction a conspiracy theory? It was never the explicitly stated policy, but I think everyone would have said that was the plan during the Cold War. BTW, the concept of MAD long predates nuclear weapons.

i meant in the context of Savile having dirt on others to protect himself.

Sorry, I misunderstood.

[Big-Bo-Beep]

V1nce Fox said:

From there I like to look for patterns to infer. The one that springs to mind is the "stand down" tactic of knowing something such as a terror attack is imminent and deliberately failing to stop it, thus garnering support for previously unpopular tactics (see also Overton Window). This theory has been applied to 911, Pearl Harbo(u)r and even the sacking of Ostia in the Roman Empire.

Or a False Flag attack, using an outrage as an excuse for bringing in restrictive laws or banning political opponents
when in truth the outrage was committed by the state e.g. The Reichstag Fire

[Tyre Smoke]

Or for that matter, the Polish invasion of Germany on 1st September 1939.

[Shuvi McTupya]

Wasn't the the US involvement in the Vietnam war also kicked off with a false flag , or an event that never actually happened, so a false, false flag.

Or is that one a myth?

Edited by Shuvi McTupya on Wednesday 24th June 09:25

[mko9]

The US was already involved in Vietnam, but the Gulf of Tonkin event is what really expanded US efforts. A lot of people point to it as a conspiracy theory/false flag event, but it was really just the fog and friction of war.

[Shuvi McTupya]

mko9 said:

The US was already involved in Vietnam, but the Gulf of Tonkin event is what really expanded US efforts. A lot of people point to it as a conspiracy theory/false flag event, but it was really just the fog and friction of war.

So it isnt true that they invented an attack that never happened?

The way i have seen it reported is there was an attack but they didn't respond and then a few days later they said there was another attack that was actually fictional but they used that as a reason to step things up?

[mko9]

Shuvi McTupya said:

mko9 said:

The US was already involved in Vietnam, but the Gulf of Tonkin event is what really expanded US efforts. A lot of people point to it as a conspiracy theory/false flag event, but it was really just the fog and friction of war.

So it isnt true that they invented an attack that never happened?

The way i have seen it reported is there was an attack but they didn't respond and then a few days later they said there was another attack that was actually fictional but they used that as a reason to step things up?

There was an attack a few days earlier. On the night in question, the USS Maddox, alone in the dark and bad weather, got spooked by RADAR, sonar, and radio intercepts, thought they were under attack again and acted accordingly. They legitimately believed they were under attack at the time, but later investigation and looking at the intel showed they were pretty much shooting at nothing. But by that time the Johnson Administration had already decided to retaliate/escalate.

[Shuvi McTupya]

mko9 said:

There was an attack a few days earlier. On the night in question, the USS Maddox, alone in the dark and bad weather, got spooked by RADAR, sonar, and radio intercepts, thought they were under attack again and acted accordingly. They legitimately believed they were under attack at the time, but later investigation and looking at the intel showed they were pretty much shooting at nothing. But by that time the Johnson Administration had already decided to retaliate/escalate.

Its a shame they dont have some way of stopping a military action once they realised their mistake..

I am not sure i buy that official story!

[Big-Bo-Beep]

The Zimmermann Telegram.

A bit of German skullduggery intercepted by the British, proposing an alliance between Germany and Mexico, with the promise of Mexico
being awarded Texas , Arizona and New Mexico if they declared war on the USA [ thus keeping the US busy and less inclined to get involved in the European theatre ] and Germany was victorious on the western front.

[PPEhero]

Not really a conspiracy theory as such and I know there’s been another thread on it. But .....

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.visordown.com/n...

It costs a lot to run a WSBK team!

Edited by PPEhero on Wednesday 24th June 23:54

[Shuvi McTupya]

PPEhero said:

Not really a conspiracy theory as such and I know there’s been another thread on it. But .....

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.visordown.com/n...

It costs a lot to run a WSBK team!

Edited by PPEhero on Wednesday 24th June 23:54

Some quick maths tell me that each KG of coke he was carrying was given a value of £400,000? Surely that is way off?

[CanAm]

Shuvi McTupya said:

Some quick maths tell me that each KG of coke he was carrying was given a value of £400,000? Surely that is way off?

I read it as £2.5m in total for all the drugs, not just the coke.

[Slyjoe]

Shuvi McTupya said:

PPEhero said:

Not really a conspiracy theory as such and I know there’s been another thread on it. But .....

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.visordown.com/n...

It costs a lot to run a WSBK team!

Edited by PPEhero on Wednesday 24th June 23:54

Some quick maths tell me that each KG of coke he was carrying was given a value of £400,000? Surely that is way off?

Isn't this how Vic Lee racing financed his touring car team?

[Shuvi McTupya]

CanAm said:

I read it as £2.5m in total for all the drugs, not just the coke.

But the other drugs was 'just' £100k of weed. Probably closer to £50k if that in real life.

[DanL]

Shuvi McTupya said:

But the other drugs was 'just' £100k of weed. Probably closer to £50k if that in real life.

Did you miss the 30,000 ecstasy tablets?

[Halmyre]

Looks like Robbie Williams thinks (cough) there's something behind Pizzagate:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/robbie-will...

Thus confirming that he's a fking tt.