Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 3]

Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 3]

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Shakermaker

11,317 posts

101 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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cologne2792 said:
We know that the sounds of Firearms in the movies and television come from a sound studio rather than literal gunpowder.
So I've always wondered; How do they physically create the sound effects that we associate with different types of weapons ? Thinking Clint Eastwood Magnum.44 here ?
By firing the weapons in the sound studio, and creating a whole catalogue of sound effects that you can then import to the soundtrack of your movie/tv show.

There are thousands, if not millions, of such recordings and stock sounds etc.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

254 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Halmyre said:
I always thought they used blanks, and only overdubbed if the gun was close to the victim's body. Even then I assume they'd have samples of various gun shots.

In the latter case, I have read of one director going to the bother of making sure the appropriate sound was used for each weapon, rather than a generic "bang!".
ISTR that Michael Mann's Heat, has what is regarded as the most authentic reproduction of the real sounds of gunfire.

P-Jay

10,579 posts

192 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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SpeckledJim said:
Halmyre said:
I always thought they used blanks, and only overdubbed if the gun was close to the victim's body. Even then I assume they'd have samples of various gun shots.

In the latter case, I have read of one director going to the bother of making sure the appropriate sound was used for each weapon, rather than a generic "bang!".
ISTR that Michael Mann's Heat, has what is regarded as the most authentic reproduction of the real sounds of gunfire.
I was just thinking the same, it's the post bank job shoot out in the streets, I seem to recall rather than use Foley artists or library sounds they set up loads of mics around the area and recorded the rifles / pistols / shotguns firing blanks, the big difference might not be the actual gun shots themselves but the echoes off the buildings that make it sound twice a realistic as almost any other shoot-out scene.

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

101 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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P-Jay said:
SpeckledJim said:
Halmyre said:
I always thought they used blanks, and only overdubbed if the gun was close to the victim's body. Even then I assume they'd have samples of various gun shots.

In the latter case, I have read of one director going to the bother of making sure the appropriate sound was used for each weapon, rather than a generic "bang!".
ISTR that Michael Mann's Heat, has what is regarded as the most authentic reproduction of the real sounds of gunfire.
I was just thinking the same, it's the post bank job shoot out in the streets, I seem to recall rather than use Foley artists or library sounds they set up loads of mics around the area and recorded the rifles / pistols / shotguns firing blanks, the big difference might not be the actual gun shots themselves but the echoes off the buildings that make it sound twice a realistic as almost any other shoot-out scene.
There was a good article last week on, I think BBC News, about how a couple of audio experts are now using the sounds of recordings made of gunshots to determine where a shot came from/who shot first etc etc, all based on echoes and sound signatures that were picked up by cameras and microphones located at various points around an event.

RizzoTheRat

25,193 posts

193 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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An unrealism you get with blanks though is you only get the "Thump" of the gun firing. With live rounds you get the "crack" of the supersonic bullet passing you before the "thump" of it being fired. The combination of the two helps locate the firing point more easily than when blanks are being used. I've not been shot at enough to know if this makes a big difference to the realism of movies though.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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I believe there is a particular 'beyoing' standard ricochet sound that is sometimes spotted by anoraks. A bit like the stock scream that is sometimes spotted.

conkerman

3,301 posts

136 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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The sound used for the pistol in Indiana Jones movies was 30-06 rifle.

Krikkit

26,544 posts

182 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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RizzoTheRat said:
An unrealism you get with blanks though is you only get the "Thump" of the gun firing. With live rounds you get the "crack" of the supersonic bullet passing you before the "thump" of it being fired. The combination of the two helps locate the firing point more easily than when blanks are being used. I've not been shot at enough to know if this makes a big difference to the realism of movies though.
The "Wilhelm Scream", ubiquitous indeed! It's interesting just how much is added over the top of a soundtrack in post processing, in fact nearly all of the sounds which aren't dialogue are dubbed in later.

Shakermaker said:
There was a good article last week on, I think BBC News, about how a couple of audio experts are now using the sounds of recordings made of gunshots to determine where a shot came from/who shot first etc etc, all based on echoes and sound signatures that were picked up by cameras and microphones located at various points around an event.
Interestingly the "Boomerang" system has been out in the military field for quite a few years - it uses multiple microphones to isolate gunshots and provide a vector based on the sounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_(counterme...

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

101 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Krikkit said:
Shakermaker said:
There was a good article last week on, I think BBC News, about how a couple of audio experts are now using the sounds of recordings made of gunshots to determine where a shot came from/who shot first etc etc, all based on echoes and sound signatures that were picked up by cameras and microphones located at various points around an event.
Interestingly the "Boomerang" system has been out in the military field for quite a few years - it uses multiple microphones to isolate gunshots and provide a vector based on the sounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_(counterme...
Yes, and this was a variation on that very system, I think because it was using the microphones in a passive manner, they were already in place incidentally in CCTV systems of people's phone calls/videos or even an Alexa/Google Home type system

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

244 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Why do people in pictures of Victorian times always look miserable?

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Evoluzione said:
Why do people in pictures of Victorian times always look miserable?
itchy woollen undergarments

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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RATATTAK said:
Ayahuasca said:
I have! I have!


Why do some colours 'go' together, say in clothes, and others 'clash'?
I don't know but I bet Fibonacci comes into it
Does anyone know, or is it to remain a mystery?

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

101 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Ayahuasca said:
RATATTAK said:
Ayahuasca said:
I have! I have!


Why do some colours 'go' together, say in clothes, and others 'clash'?
I don't know but I bet Fibonacci comes into it
Does anyone know, or is it to remain a mystery?
It is all handily covered in part by Goethe's "Theory of Colours" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Colours[/u...


The Don of Croy

6,002 posts

160 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Is there any vision-based advantage to having a smaller bridge of your nose?

Would, say, Thandie Newton have an advantage over Gerard Depardieu in that there is less obstruction in the middle?

Strange thing to wonder about, I know. Not Thandie, but noses.

ReaperCushions

6,039 posts

185 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Evoluzione said:
Why do people in pictures of Victorian times always look miserable?
Camera technology (or lack of).

Cameras back then had manual shutters (Literally someone removing a lens cap), then it took sometimes minutes to expose properly on the photo paper.

This meant staying still for minutes at a time and it was (is) hard to hold a smile for that long. So, they just didn't smile and let their faces relax.

a

439 posts

85 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Evoluzione said:
Why do people in pictures of Victorian times always look miserable?
Camera film was very insensitive to light back then - so you needed a lot of light and a long exposure time. Not a problem for landscape photos, but quite difficult for live subjects. Any motion at all would result in blur.

I can't remember exactly - but I believe a typical exposure would last over a minute in the 1800s. That's why many of the subjects are sitting or at least standing in a sturdy/upright position to minimise movement. And it's hard to hold a perfect smile for that long - so a blank stare was required.

gazzarose

1,162 posts

134 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Krikkit said:
RizzoTheRat said:
An unrealism you get with blanks though is you only get the "Thump" of the gun firing. With live rounds you get the "crack" of the supersonic bullet passing you before the "thump" of it being fired. The combination of the two helps locate the firing point more easily than when blanks are being used. I've not been shot at enough to know if this makes a big difference to the realism of movies though.
The "Wilhelm Scream", ubiquitous indeed! It's interesting just how much is added over the top of a soundtrack in post processing, in fact nearly all of the sounds which aren't dialogue are dubbed in later.

Shakermaker said:
There was a good article last week on, I think BBC News, about how a couple of audio experts are now using the sounds of recordings made of gunshots to determine where a shot came from/who shot first etc etc, all based on echoes and sound signatures that were picked up by cameras and microphones located at various points around an event.
Interestingly the "Boomerang" system has been out in the military field for quite a few years - it uses multiple microphones to isolate gunshots and provide a vector based on the sounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_(counterme...
Isn't there something about only 1 species of frog makes the 'reddit' sound, and coincidentally it lives in the hills around Hollywood. It's been used as a stock frog sound in films since the 30s or something.

glazbagun

14,282 posts

198 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Funkycoldribena said:
What era did people start picking up their dog poo?
Were Victorian seafronts minefields?
Might be my upbringing, but pretty sure that only started happening around the Blair era.

talksthetorque

10,815 posts

136 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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The Don of Croy said:
Is there any vision-based advantage to having a smaller bridge of your nose?

Would, say, Thandie Newton have an advantage over Gerard Depardieu in that there is less obstruction in the middle?

Strange thing to wonder about, I know. Not Thandie, but noses.
You need one eye to identify objects but two to more accurately judge their distance. Even with a bulbous conk, the distance from your face where you can see an object past your nose with both eyes is probably less than your minimum focal length.

227bhp

10,203 posts

129 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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Funkycoldribena said:
What era did people start picking up their dog poo?
Were Victorian seafronts minefields?
I'm guessing you're about 12?
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