Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 3]

Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 3]

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Nimby

4,621 posts

151 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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SpeckledJim said:
Redmax said:
I get why running up an actual hill is harder than running on the flat, increasing potential energy and all that.

But why on earth is running on an inclined treadmill harder than running on a horizontal treadmill? Surely it's just like running but at an angle? Where's the equivalent of the potential energy you get on a real hill?
As far as your inertial frame is concerned, you are higher at the end than you were at the start.

If you had stood still instead of running, you would have lost potential energy.
I must try raising the back of a cycling machine and coasting downhill without pedalling.

Surely the answer is simply that you have to raise your legs higher every pace when the running surface is inclined upwards.
Running on the spot is harder the higher you raise your knees but that's nothing to do with potential energy.

Edited by Nimby on Monday 15th May 14:20

Halmyre

11,236 posts

140 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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Nimby said:
SpeckledJim said:
Redmax said:
I get why running up an actual hill is harder than running on the flat, increasing potential energy and all that.

But why on earth is running on an inclined treadmill harder than running on a horizontal treadmill? Surely it's just like running but at an angle? Where's the equivalent of the potential energy you get on a real hill?
As far as your inertial frame is concerned, you are higher at the end than you were at the start.

If you had stood still instead of running, you would have lost potential energy.
I must try raising the back of a cycling machine and coasting downhill without pedalling.

Surely the answer is simply that you have to raise your legs higher every pace when the running surface is inclined upwards.
Running on the spot is harder the higher you raise your knees but that's nothing to do with potential energy.

Edited by Nimby on Monday 15th May 14:20
Yes, and it doesn't need too much of an incline to make a difference.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

119 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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Ayahuasca said:
Coriolis effect
50,000 people used to live here.....

p1stonhead

25,602 posts

168 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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xjay1337 said:
Ayahuasca said:
Coriolis effect
50,000 people used to live here.....
bounce so good

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

254 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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Nimby said:
SpeckledJim said:
Redmax said:
I get why running up an actual hill is harder than running on the flat, increasing potential energy and all that.

But why on earth is running on an inclined treadmill harder than running on a horizontal treadmill? Surely it's just like running but at an angle? Where's the equivalent of the potential energy you get on a real hill?
As far as your inertial frame is concerned, you are higher at the end than you were at the start.

If you had stood still instead of running, you would have lost potential energy.
I must try raising the back of a cycling machine and coasting downhill without pedalling.

Surely the answer is simply that you have to raise your legs higher every pace when the running surface is inclined upwards.
Running on the spot is harder the higher you raise your knees but that's nothing to do with potential energy.

Edited by Nimby on Monday 15th May 14:20
In effort terms, walking up an up escalator (so going up doubly quickly) is the same as walking up a down escalator (so staying still).

Walking to the front of a 747 doing 500mph (so doing 503mph) is the same effort as walking to the front of a stationary 747 (so doing 3mph). And the same as walking to the rear (so doing 497 mph or -3mph.)

It's all relative to your inertial frame. Moving upwards in a stationary frame is the same as staying still in a descending frame.

Speed 3

4,612 posts

120 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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Amazon and the courier guys are making a big play of delivery by drone being the future but how on earth can they keep it secure even if they can get over the airspace/urban issues ? All it takes is someone to make off with said drone and package once landed. Surely it'll cost them a fortune in thieving ?

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

254 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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Speed 3 said:
Amazon and the courier guys are making a big play of delivery by drone being the future but how on earth can they keep it secure even if they can get over the airspace/urban issues ? All it takes is someone to make off with said drone and package once landed. Surely it'll cost them a fortune in thieving ?
I don't think it's a real scheme. I think it's a genius bit of PR.

The key message that Amazon is really innovative and quick has been transmitted (essentially for free) and whether it's true or not is for the birds.

It's great work, but not by the aeronautics department.


Shakermaker

11,317 posts

101 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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SpeckledJim said:
Speed 3 said:
Amazon and the courier guys are making a big play of delivery by drone being the future but how on earth can they keep it secure even if they can get over the airspace/urban issues ? All it takes is someone to make off with said drone and package once landed. Surely it'll cost them a fortune in thieving ?
I don't think it's a real scheme. I think it's a genius bit of PR.

The key message that Amazon is really innovative and quick has been transmitted (essentially for free) and whether it's true or not is for the birds.

It's great work, but not by the aeronautics department.
I completely agree.

Everyone is talking about it, and all Amazon had to do was a press release and a small video and its then all over the news rather than in traditional advert breaks!

schmunk

4,399 posts

126 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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SpeckledJim said:
Walking to the front of a 747 doing 500mph (so doing 503mph) is the same effort as walking to the front of a stationary 747 (so doing 3mph).
Only when you're on the inside.

Europa1

10,923 posts

189 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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SpeckledJim said:
I don't think it's a real scheme. I think it's a genius bit of PR.

The key message that Amazon is really innovative and quick has been transmitted (essentially for free) and whether it's true or not is for the birds.

It's great work, but not by the aeronautics department.
If it's PR, it's a very detailed campaign - they're chucking a fair bit of money at it in Cambridge: 2 sites plus personnel.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

254 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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schmunk said:
SpeckledJim said:
Walking to the front of a 747 doing 500mph (so doing 503mph) is the same effort as walking to the front of a stationary 747 (so doing 3mph).
Only when you're on the inside.
True.

If you were somehow on the outside of the plane, then walking to the front of the 500mph 747 (so 503mph) would be the same effort as walking down a stationary corridor into a 500mph headwind (so doing just 3mph).


Truckosaurus

11,362 posts

285 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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Speed 3 said:
Amazon ...delivery by drone .... Surely it'll cost them a fortune in thieving ?
I suspect that the solution will involve the customer having a suitable 'landing pad' that secures the package once released from the drone.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

168 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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when did headphones become a fashion accessory?

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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Truckosaurus said:
Speed 3 said:
Amazon ...delivery by drone .... Surely it'll cost them a fortune in thieving ?
I suspect that the solution will involve the customer having a suitable 'landing pad' that secures the package once released from the drone.
It is the drone that will be filched. Not the £9.95 book.

ambuletz

10,769 posts

182 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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I'm trying to think of a phrase/wording of something but I can't think of the exact thing. the phrase people say when they find emptiness/nothingness at the bottom of a bottle/drink (alcohol). I want to make a play on words involving that but say it with (a bottle of) chilli sauce.

grumbledoak

31,557 posts

234 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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ambuletz said:
I'm trying to think of a phrase/wording of something but I can't think of the exact thing. the phrase people say when they find emptiness/nothingness at the bottom of a bottle/drink (alcohol). I want to make a play on words involving that but say it with (a bottle of) chilli sauce.
I think what they and you are seeking is "oblivion", though "obliterated" is often what they get.

glazbagun

14,285 posts

198 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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ambuletz said:
I'm trying to think of a phrase/wording of something but I can't think of the exact thing. the phrase people say when they find emptiness/nothingness at the bottom of a bottle/drink (alcohol). I want to make a play on words involving that but say it with (a bottle of) chilli sauce.
Looking for answers in/at the bottom of a bottle?

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

254 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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ambuletz said:
I'm trying to think of a phrase/wording of something but I can't think of the exact thing. the phrase people say when they find emptiness/nothingness at the bottom of a bottle/drink (alcohol). I want to make a play on words involving that but say it with (a bottle of) chilli sauce.
Are you writing a Best Man speech? Don't force it.

ukaskew

10,642 posts

222 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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How are these big concrete blocks held in place?



I walk directly underneath those blocks on a 23m tower crane every day at the moment to get to my office. My non-engineering brain is uncomfortable with the fact that there is nothing beneath them holding them in place.

On the plus side, if they did let go, I wouldn't feel a thing. Has it ever happened?

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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They have a steel reinforcement cage cast in to the blocks, with holes from front to back so they can be pinned to the hangar on the back of the crane. Or they are cast in a T shape, so that the crossbar of the T sits above two beams. Google "Crane Counterweight Kentledge" and you'll get some ideas smile

ETA and they'll never fall - the crane would collapse first.

Edited by OpulentBob on Tuesday 16th May 13:34

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