Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 3]

Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 3]

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Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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ukaskew said:
How are these big concrete blocks held in place?



I walk directly underneath those blocks on a 23m tower crane every day at the moment to get to my office. My non-engineering brain is uncomfortable with the fact that there is nothing beneath them holding them in place.

On the plus side, if they did let go, I wouldn't feel a thing. Has it ever happened?
They are shaped like a capital T so the top is wider than the base, although from most viewing angles that is hard to see as you are looking up at them

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

228 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Funkycoldribena said:
ukaskew said:
How are these big concrete blocks held in place?



I walk directly underneath those blocks on a 23m tower crane every day at the moment to get to my office. My non-engineering brain is uncomfortable with the fact that there is nothing beneath them holding them in place.

On the plus side, if they did let go, I wouldn't feel a thing. Has it ever happened?
Cable ties.
hehe

The universal attachment tool.

tribalsurfer

1,139 posts

119 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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schmunk said:
SpeckledJim said:
Walking to the front of a 747 doing 500mph (so doing 503mph) is the same effort as walking to the front of a stationary 747 (so doing 3mph).
Only when you're on the inside.
So in theory are we saying that if a plane was travelling 1 mile below the speed of sound and I walk up the plane at 3mph I would in theory break the sound barrier ?

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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tribalsurfer said:
schmunk said:
SpeckledJim said:
Walking to the front of a 747 doing 500mph (so doing 503mph) is the same effort as walking to the front of a stationary 747 (so doing 3mph).
Only when you're on the inside.
So in theory are we saying that if a plane was travelling 1 mile below the speed of sound and I walk up the plane at 3mph I would in theory break the sound barrier ?
Only relative to the surface of the earth. But then the earth already spins at a rate much faster than the speed of sound and travels through the universe even faster than that, so its a moot point. You personally are only travelling at 3mph relative to your surroundings.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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tribalsurfer said:
schmunk said:
SpeckledJim said:
Walking to the front of a 747 doing 500mph (so doing 503mph) is the same effort as walking to the front of a stationary 747 (so doing 3mph).
Only when you're on the inside.
So in theory are we saying that if a plane was travelling 1 mile below the speed of sound and I walk up the plane at 3mph I would in theory break the sound barrier ?
Yes.

But it wouldn't be of any consequence to you or anyone else as you're only doing 3mph through the 'stationary' air inside the plane, so you won't tell any difference.

Having a chat inside Concorde at Mach 2 is the same experience as having a chat inside Concorde when it's sitting at the gate, because the air in the plane is 'still' relative to the occupants, in both cases.




a

439 posts

84 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Shakermaker said:
Only relative to the surface of the earth. But then the earth already spins at a rate much faster than the speed of sound and travels through the universe even faster than that, so its a moot point. You personally are only travelling at 3mph relative to your surroundings.
If the aeroplane is doing 99% of light speed, and I run through it at 99% of light speed, and an observer on the ground with very sharp eyes looks through the windows of the plane - will they see me running at 198% of light speed (i.e. they'll see me running before I actually run?)

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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a said:
If the aeroplane is doing 99% of light speed, and I run through it at 99% of light speed, and an observer on the ground with very sharp eyes looks through the windows of the plane - will they see me running at 198% of light speed (i.e. they'll see me running before I actually run?)
I have no idea - you're into the realm of theoretical physics now

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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a said:
Shakermaker said:
Only relative to the surface of the earth. But then the earth already spins at a rate much faster than the speed of sound and travels through the universe even faster than that, so its a moot point. You personally are only travelling at 3mph relative to your surroundings.
If the aeroplane is doing 99% of light speed, and I run through it at 99% of light speed, and an observer on the ground with very sharp eyes looks through the windows of the plane - will they see me running at 198% of light speed (i.e. they'll see me running before I actually run?)
Stick with the speed of sound, otherwise your infinite mass will spoil everyone's day.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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You have two spacecraft traveling one behind the other at a distance of say a mile.

They are both traveling at the speed of light.

If the second spacecraft flicks on a headlight pointed at the first spacecraft, does the light reach the first spacecraft?




schmunk

4,399 posts

125 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Ayahuasca said:
You have two spacecraft traveling one behind the other at a distance of say a mile.

They are both traveling at the speed of light.

If the second spacecraft flicks on a headlight pointed at the first spacecraft, does the light reach the first spacecraft?
Are they on a treadmill?

a

439 posts

84 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Ayahuasca said:
You have two spacecraft traveling one behind the other at a distance of say a mile.

They are both traveling at the speed of light.

If the second spacecraft flicks on a headlight pointed at the first spacecraft, does the light reach the first spacecraft?
My understanding is that they can't travel at the speed of light, but 99.99999% is theoretically possible.
And yes, if you're in the rear spacecraft, you will see the headlights lighting up the rear of the front spacecraft. The light from the headlights will travel at the speed of light relative to the headlight unit.

What I don't understand is what happens if there's a signpost at the side of the "road" - will the headlights light up the signpost? From the signpost's perspective the light is travelling at nearly double the speed of light... which isn't possible?

Speed 3

4,573 posts

119 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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a said:
What I don't understand is what happens if there's a signpost at the side of the "road" - will the headlights light up the signpost? From the signpost's perspective the light is travelling at nearly double the speed of light... which isn't possible?
Why double when the light is coming from a single spaceship travelling at near light speed ?

FredClogs

14,041 posts

161 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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For those struggling with relativity and simultaneity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wteiuxyqtoM

ambuletz

10,744 posts

181 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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glazbagun said:
Looking for answers in/at the bottom of a bottle?
thanks.

ambuletz

10,744 posts

181 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Is there some law that means all car seat belt buttons have to be red? I noticed this when looking at the £549k porsche on another thread. the part that the buckle goes in would be exactly the same as something seen on a £6k dacia and I'm sure a even cheaper tata nano.

GroundEffect

13,836 posts

156 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Ayahuasca said:
You have two spacecraft traveling one behind the other at a distance of say a mile.

They are both traveling at the speed of light.

If the second spacecraft flicks on a headlight pointed at the first spacecraft, does the light reach the first spacecraft?
A problematic hypothetical because nothing with mass can travel at light speed!

Remember you have length contraction so your "mile" wont be a mile at all, it will be something Im not smart enough to calculate.

Oh and time dilation which means at light speed, time stops. So the idea of anything temporal happening doesnt make sense either.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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GroundEffect said:
A problematic hypothetical because nothing with mass can travel at light speed!
Only if you believe Einstein.

And pretty sure I heard the other day that they had discovered a particle that seems to travel faster than light.



GroundEffect

13,836 posts

156 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Ayahuasca said:
GroundEffect said:
A problematic hypothetical because nothing with mass can travel at light speed!
Only if you believe Einstein.

And pretty sure I heard the other day that they had discovered a particle that seems to travel faster than light.
Well isn't your whole question based on his relativity...?

Special relativity has been shown to be correct thousands, if not millions of times!

I like the second point of your post - just casually throwing out statements for our current model of the universe being wrong smile

I'd like a link if you have one - guessing it is Neutrino related?

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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GroundEffect said:
Well isn't your whole question based on his relativity...?

Special relativity has been shown to be correct thousands, if not millions of times!

I like the second point of your post - just casually throwing out statements for our current model of the universe being wrong smile

I'd like a link if you have one - guessing it is Neutrino related?
I think I heard it on Radio 4 when I was half asleep... so it could have said anything really wink


Anyway, please can we assume for the purposes of my question that a) the speed of light is constant and b) the spacecraft both travel at the speed of light.




GroundEffect

13,836 posts

156 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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1) At speed of light time does not pass, therefore you cannot communicate with another ship as there's no time for the light to travel between the two ships

2) IF however both were at 0.99999c they would communicate between each other with no issue as the relative speeds are zero

2 is true because of relativity - just like a laser between earth and the moon is measured purely in the relative distance and speed, not any absolute speed compared to some fixed point in space or in the galaxy


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