Misfits, Dad's Army Types et al...

[yellowjack]

Dont like rolls said:

Crossflow Kid said:

Why wouldn’t it? Cars float away in floods all the time.

Extra Weight

Extra weight, yes. Along with extra buoyancy. Cars filled from the top with water (a la Top Gear silliness) will of course sink immediately when introduced to a body of water. But a car that has all it's doors shut may well not have enough weight to overcome it's own buoyancy, at least at first. Sure, once water breaches the seals and fills the cabin, then any car is going to sink, but that can take time, meaning it sinks in even deeper water.

Transit-type vans are pretty heavy, right? But this one...

...drove (or attempted to at least) across a ford in the New Forest local to me, and simply floated off down stream. So no matter how high your snorkel, or how much hi-vis you wear, or how many lame reflective stickers and amber beacons you fit to your OLLI/YOLO 'lifestyle' 4x4, you can't defy the laws of Physics. Where buoyancy exceeds mass, even temporarily, any object will float. Even a massive reinforced concrete object...

[Bill]

Which is the advantage of the typical OLLI landrover...

[yellowjack]

Mort7 said:

Sorry, but vehicles of that size have buoyancy until they fill with water. Add that to a strong cross flow of water, when crossing a ford for example (like the DPD driver), and the vehicle will be swept away. The biggest danger in a 4x4 is an untrained driver who is unaware of the risks, and doesn't understand the true capabilities and limitations of their vehicle

This! So many times the (proper) Emergency Services are criticised when they roll up to an incident and don't immediately start throwing all available assets into a rescue attempt. Some members of the public like to call it "Elf'n'Safety gorn maaaaad, Guv'nor". But for all rescue equipment, there are stated capabilities, usually worked out by the manufacturer or user in exhaustive tests, that set safe operating limits for any piece of equipment. Exceeding those limits won't necessarily result in immediate catastrophe, and crews will often push beyond the stated capability of their kit when life is in peril. But they will know what the stated limits for their kit/vehicles are, and there will be an element of experience to guide them in how close to the limit they can go. Whereas some Tom, Dick, or 'Arry what rocked up to a Wessex 4x4 Response meeting with a Discovery and did a couple of hours of winch training one Sunday morning might well not have the experience to know when he's beaten, and end up in need of rescue himself.

As my mate Mitch will attest to, an FV432 APC will happily traverse a slope that gets steeper and steeper, right up to, and slightly beyond the slope angle stated in the handbook. But there comes a point where it simply rolls over, when gravity takes over. He has the acid burns from a battery spillage to prove it. And he (and the vehicle commander) are lucky they were closed down when it happened or it might have looked like a scene from Carry On Don't Lose Your Head. Same if you exceed the safe limits of anything really. Lift too heavy a load in a crane, or swing it out too far, and the crane topples. The safe lifting limit is obviously comfortably below that point, but cranes still topple. Human nature means that some people will always want to push their own limits or that of their equipment, whether that be a Sir Ranulph Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes type leaving his fingers and toes on Everest, or Derek Nasal-Whining of Thunderbirds Are Go! asking too much of his Land Rover during Storm Ethel...

[Dont like rolls]

Ahhh...\I did not think of the level of floatation, I assumed the thing would at least fill the flat bed area with water.

[Mort7]

john2443 said:

Mort7 said:

Add that to a strong cross flow of water, when crossing a ford for example will be swept away.

I read years ago a rally report where a Mini was crossing a ford and the crew realised they were starting to float...so quickly opened the doors, it sank and they drove out!

Obviously Minis were so leaky it would have sunk anyway eventually but might have been washed away before it was full enough, but at least the holes would let the water out again!

That is impressively quick thinking!

[DanielSan]

Thesprucegoose said:

The fake copper has pissed the police off and will get the book thrown at it. Because he is a previous felon his sentence can be doubled, so 5 years becomes 10..

He really is going down big, and it seems a nasty piece of work who bullys helpless people.

Given the Americsn police habit of 'accidentally' shooting the odd felon I'm amazed that didn't happen to him

[Don1]

DanielSan said:

Given the Americsn police habit of 'accidentally' shooting the odd felon I'm amazed that didn't happen to him

Wrong colour.

[Lazermilk]

Mort7 said:

Sorry, but vehicles of that size have buoyancy until they fill with water. Add that to a strong cross flow of water, when crossing a ford for example (like the DPD driver), and the vehicle will be swept away. The biggest danger in a 4x4 is an untrained driver who is unaware of the risks, and doesn't understand the true capabilities and limitations of their vehicle

So that's about 99% of the people who drive them covered

[Paul Dishman]

Paul Dishman said:

Krupp88 said:

Paul Dishman said:

Crossflow Kid said:

999 Minion bloke said:

”Contacts with important people”

“Sarge! Sarge! That irritating nutter with the bashed up Dacia and grubby hi viz is on the phone again. Says there’s a traffic cone fallen over in the roadworks near the Rose & Crown. Wants to know if he can stand it up again”

This is his "Support Vehicle"

https://twitter.com/MrMinion999/status/12205105495...

It gets worse, MrMinion999 is also a keen airsofter who also uses Twitter to ask his local police armed response team if they would like to play paintball...... unsurprisingly they failed to respond to this offer.

Support vehicle, airsoft and a "big emergency services supporter" - the holy trinity of waltism.

He's got a Motability car, but hasn't passed his driving test.

He's always trying to ingratiate himself with the local armed response team; one of their sergeants (the social media champion) is retiring on Mr Minion's birthday. Mr M suggested they go out for a pint, no reply yet from the Sgt.

For such a keen Tweeter, Mr Minion seems remarkably reticent when asked about his activities or about his "team"

[Mort7]

Lazermilk said:

Mort7 said:

Sorry, but vehicles of that size have buoyancy until they fill with water. Add that to a strong cross flow of water, when crossing a ford for example (like the DPD driver), and the vehicle will be swept away. The biggest danger in a 4x4 is an untrained driver who is unaware of the risks, and doesn't understand the true capabilities and limitations of their vehicle

So that's about 99% of the people who drive them covered

I think you're being generous........

[GOATever]

Dont like rolls said:

Ahhh...\I did not think of the level of floatation, I assumed the thing would at least fill the flat bed area with water.

Archimedes worked it out in about 200 B.C.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes%27_prin...

[Dont like rolls]

GOATever said:

Archimedes worked it out in about 200 B.C.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes%27_prin...

No st Shirlock

[p4cks]

Don1 said:

DanielSan said:

Given the Americsn police habit of 'accidentally' shooting the odd felon I'm amazed that didn't happen to him

Wrong colour.

Does not compute. The Police in the USA shot a higher % of white men than they did black men in 2019

[Dont like rolls]

p4cks said:

Don1 said:

DanielSan said:

Given the Americsn police habit of 'accidentally' shooting the odd felon I'm amazed that didn't happen to him

Wrong colour.

Does not compute. The Police in the USA shot a higher % of white men than they did black men in 2019

Facts, they really are fking awkward things.

[anonymous-user]

p4cks said:

Does not compute. The Police in the USA shot a higher % of white men than they did black men in 2019

White people make up 73% of the US population.

Black people 13%

Any “analysis” that is based on nothing more than absolute numbers and does not take demographics into account is inaccurate and misleading.

''1,388 people were killed by police in 2015, 318 (23%) of them black, and 560 (40%) of them white.''

Is that a valid reflection of the population?

[p4cks]

Thesprucegoose said:

p4cks said:

Does not compute. The Police in the USA shot a higher % of white men than they did black men in 2019

White people make up 73% of the US population.

Black people 13%

Any “analysis” that is based on nothing more than absolute numbers and does not take demographics into account is inaccurate and misleading.

''1,388 people were killed by police in 2015, 318 (23%) of them black, and 560 (40%) of them white.''

Is that a valid reflection of the population?

But a black cop is more likely to shoot a black suspect than a white cop is likely to shoot a black suspect. Again, the rhetoric does not compute.

Anyway, this is way off topic so we'll agree to disagree and leave it there.

[anonymous-user]

p4cks said:

But a black cop is more likely to shoot a black suspect than a white cop is likely to shoot a black suspect. Again, the rhetoric does not compute.

I don't know on that, there is no argument it is taking figures out of context, as I said it does not take demographics into account is inaccurate and misleading

[Zoobeef]

If you look at %ages of population involved in crime then it shifts the balance.

[anonymous-user]

Thesprucegoose said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BdtSrKSpk8

the walt posted earlier as an escort driver is in court, you just know he wants to correct the terms used, bubbling over.

Arrested video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r1czLNKjpU

Edited by Thesprucegoose on Monday 17th February 12:25

Finally got the chance to watch all the Dewitt vids in full.
He’s really not well in the head is he?

[Red Devil]

Definitely has a screw loose. He should change his name to Dewalt. A proper tool.
It's great entertainment for a rainy day though.