Misfits, Dad's Army Types et al...
Discussion
Bright Halo said:
I honestly believe there is something very special about the British. We raise massive amounts of cash for charities think sport aid and comic relief, I think far more than other nations and during a crisis we are at our best.
The bit about being at our best in a crisis - you did see the news coverage of the panic buying, didn't you?
98elise said:
mikal83 said:
450,000 volunteers in 1/2 day. And some arsholes on here are still slanging them off.
No that's ordinary people stepping up in a time of need. Walt's are abnormal people living a fantasy world.One group hopes bad things don't happen, the other one hopes they do.
Driving recovered Covid19 patients home, or delivering food to those isolating themselves, doesn't require 4-wheel drive or flashing amber beacons, so they might not want to come out to play anyway...
yellowjack said:
This, in one sentence, encapsulates the whole thread really. Plenty of people, when a crisis develops, will volunteer their time, effort, and cash to help out. But a sad minority are in a constant state of crossing their fingers and praying that they will be "mobilised" to drive through three feet of flood water or have to tow cars out of a field when the village fête gets hit by an unexpected thunderstorm. And for the most part, they seem to want to run the show themselves, all dressed in hi-vis and waving walkie talkies around , rather than being briefed and deployed by some actual form of authority.
Driving recovered Covid19 patients home, or delivering food to those isolating themselves, doesn't require 4-wheel drive or flashing amber beacons, so they might not want to come out to play anyway...
If you are the one stuck in the field at the village fete any help, from whatever source, would be welcome. If it's a 'walt' type personage, then good on him.Driving recovered Covid19 patients home, or delivering food to those isolating themselves, doesn't require 4-wheel drive or flashing amber beacons, so they might not want to come out to play anyway...
How to spot a Walt in a crowd of volunteers?
Ask people to raise their hand if they brought their own hi-viz...
Or
You won't need to. They'll come up to you before a briefing to give you a verbal CV and request a special job
Or
You won't need to. They'll try and stand up next to you and chip in on your briefing.
How to spot a volunteer? They'll say they can help and await instructions, then do the task assigned.
Ask people to raise their hand if they brought their own hi-viz...
Or
You won't need to. They'll come up to you before a briefing to give you a verbal CV and request a special job
Or
You won't need to. They'll try and stand up next to you and chip in on your briefing.
How to spot a volunteer? They'll say they can help and await instructions, then do the task assigned.
nonsequitur said:
If you are the one stuck in the field at the village fete any help, from whatever source, would be welcome. If it's a 'walt' type personage, then good on him.
Again, you miss the point. lots of people help others when the need arises. But the "Walty" bit is where they claim to be insured, trained, and "properly equipped" to help, and even begin to insist that other either don't help, or help only under conditions imposed by said "Walts".I'm not being funny, but if they are claiming to be properly equipped and trained, etc, do they have the load testing certificates for their winches, strops, and ropes? Or was it some bloke with his waistband tucked under his tits who stroked his beard, supped on some warm, weak lemon squash, and pronounced that everything was "fit for purpose"? You are, as far as I can see, either a properly trained, funded, and equipped professional who either works for, or volunteers with an organisation or charity, or you are just an enthusiastic amateur. If you are the latter, perhaps stop dressing up like a Belisha beacon and appointing yourself to be in charge, and look to the professionals to organise and lead. I'm sure St John's Ambulance, the RNLI, and Mountain Rescue groups all started off small time, but are now nationally recognised organisations whose work is genuinely appreciated by the public and the salaried emergency services. Whereas some of these 4x4Response outfits seem to be little more than an excuse to go green laning and getting muddy of a weekend. Then, somehow they are qualified to man road closures, direct traffic, and perform daring rescues of Mrs Miggins and her beloved Jack Russels from flooded bungalows, having had no actual training worthy of the name.
I get it. We need to appreciate volunteers. We need to encourage it. Especially now. but there are those who will quietly step up and learn new basic skills in order to help where their help is most needed, and then there will be those who will need an excuse to drive around theatrically using their flashing amber beacons and their emergency network of radios that will miraculously keep working when 999's radio networks have broken down. It's not the volunteering that is being mocked, but the self important attitude of a minority of those involved in such groups.
yellowjack said:
This, in one sentence, encapsulates the whole thread really. Plenty of people, when a crisis develops, will volunteer their time, effort, and cash to help out. But a sad minority are in a constant state of crossing their fingers and praying that they will be "mobilised" to drive through three feet of flood water or have to tow cars out of a field when the village fête gets hit by an unexpected thunderstorm. And for the most part, they seem to want to run the show themselves, all dressed in hi-vis and waving walkie talkies around , rather than being briefed and deployed by some actual form of authority.
Driving recovered Covid19 patients home, or delivering food to those isolating themselves, doesn't require 4-wheel drive or flashing amber beacons, so they might not want to come out to play anyway...
4x4 Response - GO TEAM! Driving recovered Covid19 patients home, or delivering food to those isolating themselves, doesn't require 4-wheel drive or flashing amber beacons, so they might not want to come out to play anyway...
Hang on, where to I put the Baofeng?
yellowjack
you said
Again, you miss the point. lots of people help others when the need arises. But the "Walty" bit is where they claim to be insured, trained, and "properly equipped" to help, and even begin to insist that other either don't help, or help only under conditions imposed by said "Walts".
You missed out the all important 'time served' but they never say where do they?
you said
Again, you miss the point. lots of people help others when the need arises. But the "Walty" bit is where they claim to be insured, trained, and "properly equipped" to help, and even begin to insist that other either don't help, or help only under conditions imposed by said "Walts".
You missed out the all important 'time served' but they never say where do they?
yellowjack said:
nonsequitur said:
If you are the one stuck in the field at the village fete any help, from whatever source, would be welcome. If it's a 'walt' type personage, then good on him.
Again, you miss the point. lots of people help others when the need arises. But the "Walty" bit is where they claim to be insured, trained, and "properly equipped" to help, and even begin to insist that other either don't help, or help only under conditions imposed by said "Walts".I'm not being funny, but if they are claiming to be properly equipped and trained, etc, do they have the load testing certificates for their winches, strops, and ropes? Or was it some bloke with his waistband tucked under his tits who stroked his beard, supped on some warm, weak lemon squash, and pronounced that everything was "fit for purpose"? You are, as far as I can see, either a properly trained, funded, and equipped professional who either works for, or volunteers with an organisation or charity, or you are just an enthusiastic amateur. If you are the latter, perhaps stop dressing up like a Belisha beacon and appointing yourself to be in charge, and look to the professionals to organise and lead. I'm sure St John's Ambulance, the RNLI, and Mountain Rescue groups all started off small time, but are now nationally recognised organisations whose work is genuinely appreciated by the public and the salaried emergency services. Whereas some of these 4x4Response outfits seem to be little more than an excuse to go green laning and getting muddy of a weekend. Then, somehow they are qualified to man road closures, direct traffic, and perform daring rescues of Mrs Miggins and her beloved Jack Russels from flooded bungalows, having had no actual training worthy of the name.
I get it. We need to appreciate volunteers. We need to encourage it. Especially now. but there are those who will quietly step up and learn new basic skills in order to help where their help is most needed, and then there will be those who will need an excuse to drive around theatrically using their flashing amber beacons and their emergency network of radios that will miraculously keep working when 999's radio networks have broken down. It's not the volunteering that is being mocked, but the self important attitude of a minority of those involved in such groups.
Again. If you are 'stuck', does it matter who helps you, or their motives, or the thinking behind it?
Shakermaker said:
shtu said:
I had no idea there were that many knackered Shoguns in the UK.
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