Travellers.......
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They are getting a bit savvy round here
Saw a tree surgeon 4x4 and chipper in my road. Later chap walk up wth glossy leaflets, offering to do work etc etc
Pointed out that we had recently had them done...bloody obvious as well... when he looked at the top and then proclaimed i have fungus at the bottom. Discussion then followed when i repeated they were recently done and if there were any problems i would have been told ( in fact the guy that does it is one of Mrs foxs ex pupils..so he gets the work full stop)
After a lot of thick muttering, rather similar to the way they talk in that large island between the UK mainland and the US..he buggered off
Saw a tree surgeon 4x4 and chipper in my road. Later chap walk up wth glossy leaflets, offering to do work etc etc
Pointed out that we had recently had them done...bloody obvious as well... when he looked at the top and then proclaimed i have fungus at the bottom. Discussion then followed when i repeated they were recently done and if there were any problems i would have been told ( in fact the guy that does it is one of Mrs foxs ex pupils..so he gets the work full stop)
After a lot of thick muttering, rather similar to the way they talk in that large island between the UK mainland and the US..he buggered off
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news...
Traffic round here is always a total nightmare but the police just seem to have rolled over on this one.
Traffic round here is always a total nightmare but the police just seem to have rolled over on this one.
An interesting case with a twist here:
https://newarkadvertiser.co.uk/news/2018/02/18/tra...
The cheeky scamps have already begun construction of hardstandings, etc.....
Until they disturb the crash site then it is squatting - and a problem for the locals and the council as per usual.
Once they disturb the ground it's potentially an unlicensed excavation of the crash site and war grave. This case will test the mettle of the council, the locals and quite possibly the MoD/government if things progress any further
https://newarkadvertiser.co.uk/news/2018/02/18/tra...
The cheeky scamps have already begun construction of hardstandings, etc.....
Until they disturb the crash site then it is squatting - and a problem for the locals and the council as per usual.
Once they disturb the ground it's potentially an unlicensed excavation of the crash site and war grave. This case will test the mettle of the council, the locals and quite possibly the MoD/government if things progress any further
Silverage said:
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news...
Traffic round here is always a total nightmare but the police just seem to have rolled over on this one.
What are the Police supposed to here, ban the funeral, stop mourners from attending? We're all heading down that road someday, I just hope as many turn up to my funeral.Traffic round here is always a total nightmare but the police just seem to have rolled over on this one.
Ructions said:
Silverage said:
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news...
Traffic round here is always a total nightmare but the police just seem to have rolled over on this one.
What are the Police supposed to here, ban the funeral, stop mourners from attending? We're all heading down that road someday, I just hope as many turn up to my funeral.Traffic round here is always a total nightmare but the police just seem to have rolled over on this one.
ChemicalChaos said:
An interesting case with a twist here:
https://newarkadvertiser.co.uk/news/2018/02/18/tra...
The cheeky scamps have already begun construction of hardstandings, etc.....
Until they disturb the crash site then it is squatting - and a problem for the locals and the council as per usual.
Once they disturb the ground it's potentially an unlicensed excavation of the crash site and war grave. This case will test the mettle of the council, the locals and quite possibly the MoD/government if things progress any further
be interesting to see what the MoD do in this casehttps://newarkadvertiser.co.uk/news/2018/02/18/tra...
The cheeky scamps have already begun construction of hardstandings, etc.....
Until they disturb the crash site then it is squatting - and a problem for the locals and the council as per usual.
Once they disturb the ground it's potentially an unlicensed excavation of the crash site and war grave. This case will test the mettle of the council, the locals and quite possibly the MoD/government if things progress any further
irocfan said:
Ructions said:
Silverage said:
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news...
Traffic round here is always a total nightmare but the police just seem to have rolled over on this one.
What are the Police supposed to here, ban the funeral, stop mourners from attending? We're all heading down that road someday, I just hope as many turn up to my funeral.Traffic round here is always a total nightmare but the police just seem to have rolled over on this one.
ChemicalChaos said:
An interesting case with a twist here:
https://newarkadvertiser.co.uk/news/2018/02/18/tra...
The cheeky scamps have already begun construction of hardstandings, etc.....
Until they disturb the crash site then it is squatting - and a problem for the locals and the council as per usual.
Once they disturb the ground it's potentially an unlicensed excavation of the crash site and war grave. This case will test the mettle of the council, the locals and quite possibly the MoD/government if things progress any further
The RAF should use the caravans for target practice.https://newarkadvertiser.co.uk/news/2018/02/18/tra...
The cheeky scamps have already begun construction of hardstandings, etc.....
Until they disturb the crash site then it is squatting - and a problem for the locals and the council as per usual.
Once they disturb the ground it's potentially an unlicensed excavation of the crash site and war grave. This case will test the mettle of the council, the locals and quite possibly the MoD/government if things progress any further
kuro said:
I thought these t
ts were supposed to bugger off back to Rathkeale during the winter?
That was always the case but this is the first year that I've been aware of their activity going on all year round. My take on it, quite honestly, is that more and more people are realising that if they claim "traveller" racial status, they immediately and effectively, to the vast majority of intents, place themselves outside the law and remove themselves from adherence to any suggestion of normal social mores. You can easily see why more and more people would be inclined to take this path. It leads to an easy life of crime and civil disobedience with zero consequences.ts were supposed to bugger off back to Rathkeale during the winter?What I continue to utterly fail to comprehend is (a) how they managed to pull the wool over whoever's eyes to gain this status, and why they are allowed to do whatever they want regardless of any statute with, almost invariably, no recriminations whatsoever.
Incidentally, a field near me has for some years now been occupied by a small group of horses, of the type which are often seen pulling small carts along main roads whilst the traffic is held up by transit pickups. A local person, probably not realising who the owners were, had the temerity to ask on social media, during the recent bad weather, whether these animals needed any intervention on welfare grounds. The immediate response from one of the owners was to drop the R bomb. Per my comments above, that is their immediate get out of jail card and they use it all day every day with impunity.
Puggit said:
Not sure how much assistance Thames Valley Police will get for this one. Especially as the kids from that site are well known for stoning and egging cars driving past. And yes it's right next to the Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE).
Interesting, I help organise off roading events from time to time and we hold an event on the edge of AWE at a venue called harbour hillPeople pay around £25 quid per motor, all well organised, good clean fun
All cars are scrutinised for safety, every one plays by the rules
THEN THE LOCAL NOMANDS JUST TURN UP!!
Drive straight in, start off reading, without paying of course
Start doing mad stuff, which of course grinds the event to a halt as people fear for their safety / don't want to have a crash with em
Scummers
CAPP0 said:
kuro said:
I thought these tts were supposed to bugger off back to Rathkeale during the winter?
That was always the case but this is the first year that I've been aware of their activity going on all year round. My take on it, quite honestly, is that more and more people are realising that if they claim "traveller" racial status, they immediately and effectively, to the vast majority of intents, place themselves outside the law and remove themselves from adherence to any suggestion of normal social mores. You can easily see why more and more people would be inclined to take this path. It leads to an easy life of crime and civil disobedience with zero consequences.ts were supposed to bugger off back to Rathkeale during the winter?What I continue to utterly fail to comprehend is (a) how they managed to pull the wool over whoever's eyes to gain this status, and why they are allowed to do whatever they want regardless of any statute with, almost invariably, no recriminations whatsoever.
Incidentally, a field near me has for some years now been occupied by a small group of horses, of the type which are often seen pulling small carts along main roads whilst the traffic is held up by transit pickups. A local person, probably not realising who the owners were, had the temerity to ask on social media, during the recent bad weather, whether these animals needed any intervention on welfare grounds. The immediate response from one of the owners was to drop the R bomb. Per my comments above, that is their immediate get out of jail card and they use it all day every day with impunity.
irocfan said:
Ructions said:
Silverage said:
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news...
Traffic round here is always a total nightmare but the police just seem to have rolled over on this one.
What are the Police supposed to here, ban the funeral, stop mourners from attending? We're all heading down that road someday, I just hope as many turn up to my funeral.Traffic round here is always a total nightmare but the police just seem to have rolled over on this one.
ChemicalChaos said:
An interesting case with a twist here:
https://newarkadvertiser.co.uk/news/2018/02/18/tra...
The cheeky scamps have already begun construction of hardstandings, etc.....
Until they disturb the crash site then it is squatting - and a problem for the locals and the council as per usual.
Once they disturb the ground it's potentially an unlicensed excavation of the crash site and war grave. This case will test the mettle of the council, the locals and quite possibly the MoD/government if things progress any further
be interesting to see what the MoD do in this casehttps://newarkadvertiser.co.uk/news/2018/02/18/tra...
The cheeky scamps have already begun construction of hardstandings, etc.....
Until they disturb the crash site then it is squatting - and a problem for the locals and the council as per usual.
Once they disturb the ground it's potentially an unlicensed excavation of the crash site and war grave. This case will test the mettle of the council, the locals and quite possibly the MoD/government if things progress any further
There will never be enough sites as they breed too fast. As soon as they are 16 get a caravan towed around by a lad with no licence, but who cares, certainly not the police.
There is an official site at Cardiff by the steel works, it is a tip, the roads around there are scattered with horses tied up and the piece of ground next to them is now a rubbish tip growing bigger each time I go past. The council will come and clear it up again, as they always do as they are above the law.
There are some clever travellers who know the law, throw in racist accusations to anyone who says anything about them and use everything against normal people who have to conform to the law and societies rules.
There is an official site at Cardiff by the steel works, it is a tip, the roads around there are scattered with horses tied up and the piece of ground next to them is now a rubbish tip growing bigger each time I go past. The council will come and clear it up again, as they always do as they are above the law.
There are some clever travellers who know the law, throw in racist accusations to anyone who says anything about them and use everything against normal people who have to conform to the law and societies rules.
CAPP0 said:
That was always the case but this is the first year that I've been aware of their activity going on all year round. My take on it, quite honestly, is that more and more people are realising that if they claim "traveller" racial status, they immediately and effectively, to the vast majority of intents, place themselves outside the law and remove themselves from adherence to any suggestion of normal social mores. You can easily see why more and more people would be inclined to take this path. It leads to an easy life of crime and civil disobedience with zero consequences.
[b]
What I continue to utterly fail to comprehend is (a) how they managed to pull the wool over whoever's eyes to gain this status, [/b]and why they are allowed to do whatever they want regardless of any statute with, almost invariably, no recriminations whatsoever.
Incidentally, a field near me has for some years now been occupied by a small group of horses, of the type which are often seen pulling small carts along main roads whilst the traffic is held up by transit pickups. A local person, probably not realising who the owners were, had the temerity to ask on social media, during the recent bad weather, whether these animals needed any intervention on welfare grounds. The immediate response from one of the owners was to drop the R bomb. Per my comments above, that is their immediate get out of jail card and they use it all day every day with impunity.
As I understood it, the Roma have a pretty legitimate claim to being a genuine 'race' deserving of recognition and protection. However, the Roma, largely being neither home-owners nor criminals, don't have much money.[b]
What I continue to utterly fail to comprehend is (a) how they managed to pull the wool over whoever's eyes to gain this status, [/b]and why they are allowed to do whatever they want regardless of any statute with, almost invariably, no recriminations whatsoever.
Incidentally, a field near me has for some years now been occupied by a small group of horses, of the type which are often seen pulling small carts along main roads whilst the traffic is held up by transit pickups. A local person, probably not realising who the owners were, had the temerity to ask on social media, during the recent bad weather, whether these animals needed any intervention on welfare grounds. The immediate response from one of the owners was to drop the R bomb. Per my comments above, that is their immediate get out of jail card and they use it all day every day with impunity.
Enter the travellers. They don't have much of a claim to racial protection, but as property-owners and criminals, they DO have plenty of money.
So a deal was done. The travellers sponsored the legal campaign to have the Roma protected, and in return, rode the coat-tails of the Roma's claim and got the legislation to include them too.
SpeckledJim said:
As I understood it, the Roma have a pretty legitimate claim to being a genuine 'race' deserving of recognition and protection. However, the Roma, largely being neither home-owners nor criminals, don't have much money.
Enter the travellers. They don't have much of a claim to racial protection, but as property-owners and criminals, they DO have plenty of money.
So a deal was done. The travellers sponsored the legal campaign to have the Roma protected, and in return, rode the coat-tails of the Roma's claim and got the legislation to include them too.
Pretty much exactly that. Enter the travellers. They don't have much of a claim to racial protection, but as property-owners and criminals, they DO have plenty of money.
So a deal was done. The travellers sponsored the legal campaign to have the Roma protected, and in return, rode the coat-tails of the Roma's claim and got the legislation to include them too.
Some exceptional lawyers and barristers on retainer to the caravan utilising nomadic travellers from Ireland.
Whilst they fight each other tooth and nail, they stick together like glue when it comes to relations with the wider world.
One potential of brexit is that the Supreme Court could clarify the protected group, and kill the entirely justifiable fears of racism claims on our authorities. I would imagine under that scenario, things would change rather quickly...
Sway said:
SpeckledJim said:
As I understood it, the Roma have a pretty legitimate claim to being a genuine 'race' deserving of recognition and protection. However, the Roma, largely being neither home-owners nor criminals, don't have much money.
Enter the travellers. They don't have much of a claim to racial protection, but as property-owners and criminals, they DO have plenty of money.
So a deal was done. The travellers sponsored the legal campaign to have the Roma protected, and in return, rode the coat-tails of the Roma's claim and got the legislation to include them too.
Pretty much exactly that. Enter the travellers. They don't have much of a claim to racial protection, but as property-owners and criminals, they DO have plenty of money.
So a deal was done. The travellers sponsored the legal campaign to have the Roma protected, and in return, rode the coat-tails of the Roma's claim and got the legislation to include them too.
Some exceptional lawyers and barristers on retainer to the caravan utilising nomadic travellers from Ireland.
Whilst they fight each other tooth and nail, they stick together like glue when it comes to relations with the wider world.
One potential of brexit is that the Supreme Court could clarify the protected group, and kill the entirely justifiable fears of racism claims on our authorities. I would imagine under that scenario, things would change rather quickly...
SpeckledJim said:
Sway said:
SpeckledJim said:
As I understood it, the Roma have a pretty legitimate claim to being a genuine 'race' deserving of recognition and protection. However, the Roma, largely being neither home-owners nor criminals, don't have much money.
Enter the travellers. They don't have much of a claim to racial protection, but as property-owners and criminals, they DO have plenty of money.
So a deal was done. The travellers sponsored the legal campaign to have the Roma protected, and in return, rode the coat-tails of the Roma's claim and got the legislation to include them too.
Pretty much exactly that. Enter the travellers. They don't have much of a claim to racial protection, but as property-owners and criminals, they DO have plenty of money.
So a deal was done. The travellers sponsored the legal campaign to have the Roma protected, and in return, rode the coat-tails of the Roma's claim and got the legislation to include them too.
Some exceptional lawyers and barristers on retainer to the caravan utilising nomadic travellers from Ireland.
Whilst they fight each other tooth and nail, they stick together like glue when it comes to relations with the wider world.
One potential of brexit is that the Supreme Court could clarify the protected group, and kill the entirely justifiable fears of racism claims on our authorities. I would imagine under that scenario, things would change rather quickly...
Labour manifesto says said:
We will end racism and discrimination against Gypsy, Roma and Traveller communities, and protect the right to lead a nomadic way of life.
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 8th March 13:30
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