Paranormal experiences
Discussion
boobles said:
So now someone on this thread is suggesting taking drugs rather than try dealing with what you think you saw/heard?
I suggest you go pop another pill & start chasing your imaginary friend (the dragon) DH
The suggestion of taking drugs was to show people how our senses can be compromised. When somebody sees a ghost, how can they be sure it was real and not just their senses playing up?I suggest you go pop another pill & start chasing your imaginary friend (the dragon) DH
Somebody who's never taken psychoactive drugs might assume that their senses are always infallible. Whenever their senses have failed before, they've assumed it was a ghost blowing on their arm or something.
LocoCoco said:
The suggestion of taking drugs was to show people how our senses can be compromised. When somebody sees a ghost, how can they be sure it was real and not just their senses playing up?
Somebody who's never taken psychoactive drugs might assume that their senses are always infallible. Whenever their senses have failed before, they've assumed it was a ghost blowing on their arm or something.
So how does explain for the people who are in a normal state & still claim to have witnessed something?Somebody who's never taken psychoactive drugs might assume that their senses are always infallible. Whenever their senses have failed before, they've assumed it was a ghost blowing on their arm or something.
Drugs absolutely make you hallucinate but I think that is an entirely different subject.
boobles said:
So how does explain for the people who are in a normal state & still claim to have witnessed something?
Drugs absolutely make you hallucinate but I think that is an entirely different subject.
Define normal? The brain doesn't really have a normal but it does have an amazing ability to hunt for and recall information to try and match a pattern, to try and make sense of a situation. A great example of this is the drowning man who sees his life flashing before his eyes; what's actually happening is desperation, as your brain goes into overdrive, recalling every moment in memory to try and find something to help the situation. Drugs absolutely make you hallucinate but I think that is an entirely different subject.
If the brain misinterprets a signal from some of the hundred-billion neurons dotted throughout the body, it'll do pattern matching to try and find the best fit for the information: "Oh, what's that piece of information? Felt like someone blowing on my arm. That'll do. Case closed, Perry Mason.". With that in mind, think of how much information we take in through seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and feeling things. All that external information bombarding your brain, whilst at the same time it tries to tie it all together. It's incredible when you really think about it but yeah, mistakes are often made.
boobles said:
LocoCoco said:
The suggestion of taking drugs was to show people how our senses can be compromised. When somebody sees a ghost, how can they be sure it was real and not just their senses playing up?
Somebody who's never taken psychoactive drugs might assume that their senses are always infallible. Whenever their senses have failed before, they've assumed it was a ghost blowing on their arm or something.
So how does explain for the people who are in a normal state & still claim to have witnessed something?Somebody who's never taken psychoactive drugs might assume that their senses are always infallible. Whenever their senses have failed before, they've assumed it was a ghost blowing on their arm or something.
Drugs absolutely make you hallucinate but I think that is an entirely different subject.
I think the point is that it's impossible to tell if your brain is in a "normal state" as you put it. How can you prove that your brain hasn't malfunctioned?
LocoCoco said:
The brain is capable of hallucinating without drugs.
I think the point is that it's impossible to tell if your brain is in a "normal state" as you put it. How can you prove that your brain hasn't malfunctioned?
In some instances I agree but when something physically happens like me minding my own business in a strangers house (working) no one else at home & all of a sudden all 4 gas rings are lit on the cooker, I didn't imagine that. I also never said it was paranormal but the owner of the house (when he returned) told me that he thought there house was haunted.I think the point is that it's impossible to tell if your brain is in a "normal state" as you put it. How can you prove that your brain hasn't malfunctioned?
boobles said:
LocoCoco said:
The brain is capable of hallucinating without drugs.
I think the point is that it's impossible to tell if your brain is in a "normal state" as you put it. How can you prove that your brain hasn't malfunctioned?
In some instances I agree but when something physically happens like me minding my own business in a strangers house (working) no one else at home & all of a sudden all 4 gas rings are lit on the cooker, I didn't imagine that. I also never said it was paranormal but the owner of the house (when he returned) told me that he thought there house was haunted.I think the point is that it's impossible to tell if your brain is in a "normal state" as you put it. How can you prove that your brain hasn't malfunctioned?
The first is an unexplained 'thing' - in this case a cooker being lit. There are a hundred and one rational and likely reasons why this happened.
The second is a completely irrelevant piece of information that adds nothing to the story unless you are inclined to believe in ghosts.
If this event had happened to me here's how it would have gone down:
"When I was younger & worked as a window fitter, I was left alone in this house (people that owned it were in the Army) & I remember going down stairs & feeling a lot of heat coming from the kitchen. I noticed all the gas rings were on so assuming the owner had simply left them on, I switched them off and literally never thought about it again."
The ghost part is such an irrelevant red herring to make a completely banal story sound a bit "ohhhhh, exciting!"
boobles said:
So how does explain for the people who are in a normal state & still claim to have witnessed something?
Drugs absolutely make you hallucinate but I think that is an entirely different subject.
Low light levels can cause hallucinations, staring at you face in mirror can do the same, even repeating a word can cause changes in your mental state.Drugs absolutely make you hallucinate but I think that is an entirely different subject.
Edited by 4x4Tyke on Thursday 13th July 11:38
boobles said:
LocoCoco said:
The brain is capable of hallucinating without drugs.
I think the point is that it's impossible to tell if your brain is in a "normal state" as you put it. How can you prove that your brain hasn't malfunctioned?
In some instances I agree but when something physically happens like me minding my own business in a strangers house (working) no one else at home & all of a sudden all 4 gas rings are lit on the cooker, I didn't imagine that. I also never said it was paranormal but the owner of the house (when he returned) told me that he thought there house was haunted.I think the point is that it's impossible to tell if your brain is in a "normal state" as you put it. How can you prove that your brain hasn't malfunctioned?
I'm not saying that you did imagine it, I think you did see what you saw and that there's an explanation as to why the gas rings came on that day.
However, there is a better chance that you were daydreaming or your brain misinterpreted what you saw than the chance that it was a ghost/poltergeist switching on those gas rings. The first scenario has been proven to happen, the second hasn't.
Disastrous said:
Yes but there's two parts to that.
The first is an unexplained 'thing' - in this case a cooker being lit. There are a hundred and one rational and likely reasons why this happened.
The second is a completely irrelevant piece of information that adds nothing to the story unless you are inclined to believe in ghosts.
If this event had happened to me here's how it would have gone down:
"When I was younger & worked as a window fitter, I was left alone in this house (people that owned it were in the Army) & I remember going down stairs & feeling a lot of heat coming from the kitchen. I noticed all the gas rings were on so assuming the owner had simply left them on, I switched them off and literally never thought about it again."
The ghost part is such an irrelevant red herring to make a completely banal story sound a bit "ohhhhh, exciting!"
I should have been more specific I think. The cooker was not on as I was in there briefly in the morning alone. The owner had already gone to work & within 15 mins of me being down there, they were switched on. Could it have been a fault with the cooker, absolutely but the owner seemed pretty confident that this was not a fault as other things happen through out the house. I didn't ask him as I was there to do a job & leave.The first is an unexplained 'thing' - in this case a cooker being lit. There are a hundred and one rational and likely reasons why this happened.
The second is a completely irrelevant piece of information that adds nothing to the story unless you are inclined to believe in ghosts.
If this event had happened to me here's how it would have gone down:
"When I was younger & worked as a window fitter, I was left alone in this house (people that owned it were in the Army) & I remember going down stairs & feeling a lot of heat coming from the kitchen. I noticed all the gas rings were on so assuming the owner had simply left them on, I switched them off and literally never thought about it again."
The ghost part is such an irrelevant red herring to make a completely banal story sound a bit "ohhhhh, exciting!"
boobles said:
Disastrous said:
Yes but there's two parts to that.
The first is an unexplained 'thing' - in this case a cooker being lit. There are a hundred and one rational and likely reasons why this happened.
The second is a completely irrelevant piece of information that adds nothing to the story unless you are inclined to believe in ghosts.
If this event had happened to me here's how it would have gone down:
"When I was younger & worked as a window fitter, I was left alone in this house (people that owned it were in the Army) & I remember going down stairs & feeling a lot of heat coming from the kitchen. I noticed all the gas rings were on so assuming the owner had simply left them on, I switched them off and literally never thought about it again."
The ghost part is such an irrelevant red herring to make a completely banal story sound a bit "ohhhhh, exciting!"
I should have been more specific I think. The cooker was not on as I was in there briefly in the morning alone. The owner had already gone to work & within 15 mins of me being down there, they were switched on. Could it have been a fault with the cooker, absolutely but the owner seemed pretty confident that this was not a fault as other things happen through out the house. I didn't ask him as I was there to do a job & leave.The first is an unexplained 'thing' - in this case a cooker being lit. There are a hundred and one rational and likely reasons why this happened.
The second is a completely irrelevant piece of information that adds nothing to the story unless you are inclined to believe in ghosts.
If this event had happened to me here's how it would have gone down:
"When I was younger & worked as a window fitter, I was left alone in this house (people that owned it were in the Army) & I remember going down stairs & feeling a lot of heat coming from the kitchen. I noticed all the gas rings were on so assuming the owner had simply left them on, I switched them off and literally never thought about it again."
The ghost part is such an irrelevant red herring to make a completely banal story sound a bit "ohhhhh, exciting!"
1) It was on and you didn't notice
2) It was a fault, as you suggest
3) You did it inadvertently (maybe whilst in briefly you lent on it?)
4) A million other things
It's actually a not entirely disinteresting prospect if it is phrased as "What's wrong with a gas hob that can make it light itself?" but it's just silly to link it to a haunted house. Why would a ghost even do that?? Making himself a spot of brunch or something?
Disastrous said:
It's mad how these stories always seem to generate additional info to make them utterly unexplainable but still:
1) It was on and you didn't notice
2) It was a fault, as you suggest
3) You did it inadvertently (maybe whilst in briefly you lent on it?)
4) A million other things
It's actually a not entirely disinteresting prospect if it is phrased as "What's wrong with a gas hob that can make it light itself?" but it's just silly to link it to a haunted house. Why would a ghost even do that?? Making himself a spot of brunch or something?
No to all I am afraid apart from possible number 2.1) It was on and you didn't notice
2) It was a fault, as you suggest
3) You did it inadvertently (maybe whilst in briefly you lent on it?)
4) A million other things
It's actually a not entirely disinteresting prospect if it is phrased as "What's wrong with a gas hob that can make it light itself?" but it's just silly to link it to a haunted house. Why would a ghost even do that?? Making himself a spot of brunch or something?
Anyone who believes in the spirit world will tell you that spirits/ghosts (I am not a believer but I do find it interesting) will do certain things to get attention.
Switching something on is to get attention & not to make themselves a brew or bite to eat. I do have an open mind but I guess anyone who doesn't just ridicules anything because they can't accept that sometimes certain things can't be explained.
boobles said:
Disastrous said:
It's mad how these stories always seem to generate additional info to make them utterly unexplainable but still:
1) It was on and you didn't notice
2) It was a fault, as you suggest
3) You did it inadvertently (maybe whilst in briefly you lent on it?)
4) A million other things
It's actually a not entirely disinteresting prospect if it is phrased as "What's wrong with a gas hob that can make it light itself?" but it's just silly to link it to a haunted house. Why would a ghost even do that?? Making himself a spot of brunch or something?
No to all I am afraid apart from possible number 2.1) It was on and you didn't notice
2) It was a fault, as you suggest
3) You did it inadvertently (maybe whilst in briefly you lent on it?)
4) A million other things
It's actually a not entirely disinteresting prospect if it is phrased as "What's wrong with a gas hob that can make it light itself?" but it's just silly to link it to a haunted house. Why would a ghost even do that?? Making himself a spot of brunch or something?
Anyone who believes in the spirit world will tell you that spirits/ghosts (I am not a believer but I do find it interesting) will do certain things to get attention.
Switching something on is to get attention & not to make themselves a brew or bite to eat. I do have an open mind but I guess anyone who doesn't just ridicules anything because they can't accept that sometimes certain things can't be explained.
Anyway, the point stands - try option 4)
Your position doesn't make sense - "I don't believe in ghosts but people who do, think they turn cookers on to get attention so I'm keeping an open mind..." Eh?
I don't believe in ghosts therefore they don't switch on cookers because they can't as they don't exist. So it was something normal that caused it to turn on. End of story.
Disastrous said:
boobles said:
Disastrous said:
It's mad how these stories always seem to generate additional info to make them utterly unexplainable but still:
1) It was on and you didn't notice
2) It was a fault, as you suggest
3) You did it inadvertently (maybe whilst in briefly you lent on it?)
4) A million other things
It's actually a not entirely disinteresting prospect if it is phrased as "What's wrong with a gas hob that can make it light itself?" but it's just silly to link it to a haunted house. Why would a ghost even do that?? Making himself a spot of brunch or something?
No to all I am afraid apart from possible number 2.1) It was on and you didn't notice
2) It was a fault, as you suggest
3) You did it inadvertently (maybe whilst in briefly you lent on it?)
4) A million other things
It's actually a not entirely disinteresting prospect if it is phrased as "What's wrong with a gas hob that can make it light itself?" but it's just silly to link it to a haunted house. Why would a ghost even do that?? Making himself a spot of brunch or something?
Anyone who believes in the spirit world will tell you that spirits/ghosts (I am not a believer but I do find it interesting) will do certain things to get attention.
Switching something on is to get attention & not to make themselves a brew or bite to eat. I do have an open mind but I guess anyone who doesn't just ridicules anything because they can't accept that sometimes certain things can't be explained.
Anyway, the point stands - try option 4)
Your position doesn't make sense - "I don't believe in ghosts but people who do, think they turn cookers on to get attention so I'm keeping an open mind..." Eh?
I don't believe in ghosts therefore they don't switch on cookers because they can't as they don't exist. So it was something normal that caused it to turn on. End of story.
boobles said:
Disastrous said:
I didn't say 'thread over' so much as 'ghosts didn't light up your hob'.
Of course I'm not religious!
I was going to say thank god for that but I wouldn't want to be ridiculed Of course I'm not religious!
Wasn't my hob by the way so please keep up at the back
Front bottom said:
boobles said:
Disastrous said:
I didn't say 'thread over' so much as 'ghosts didn't light up your hob'.
Of course I'm not religious!
I was going to say thank god for that but I wouldn't want to be ridiculed Of course I'm not religious!
Wasn't my hob by the way so please keep up at the back
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