Paranormal experiences
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southendpier said:
boobles said:
southendpier said:
Friends of ours used to light all gas rings to quickly heat their kitchen rather than turning the heating on in the whole house.
Never turn on the grill though. So by science if the rings AND grill are on its them ghosts for sure.
Very kind owners of the house to do that for me considering it was in the middle of summer & they were out all day.. Never turn on the grill though. So by science if the rings AND grill are on its them ghosts for sure.
Weird eh? What happened next?
deckster said:
Efbe said:
given that our current laws of physics do not conform to this empirical explanation/verification you are talking of, why should anything else?
In what way does me picking up a glass not conform to Newtonian mechanics?smn159 said:
deckster said:
Efbe said:
given that our current laws of physics do not conform to this empirical explanation/verification you are talking of, why should anything else?
In what way does me picking up a glass not conform to Newtonian mechanics?Every rational line of thinking is thrown aside, and the last line is "well, it's paranormal, of course convention thinking and science can't explain it".
It's the spooky version of using "God did it".
Turns out I'm a believer now.
Went out for dinner with a friend last night and had a couple of glasses of wine and then dark forces took over! This...other power went buck wild and then when the bottle was finished I did what any good scientist would do and out loud asked the waiter for 'a repeat'.
He only bloody complied and brought another bottle!!
Today I have a ghost pig, s
tting in my head.
Went out for dinner with a friend last night and had a couple of glasses of wine and then dark forces took over! This...other power went buck wild and then when the bottle was finished I did what any good scientist would do and out loud asked the waiter for 'a repeat'.
He only bloody complied and brought another bottle!!
Today I have a ghost pig, s
tting in my head.The thing I find most interesting about this thread is that nobody is questioning the honesty of the people providing the spooky stories. Elsewhere on PH posters are all too ready to call custard or say it never happened. The claim that four gas rings were on is accepted outright. Then come the theories about clever cats, or whatever.
Perhaps it is politeness, that would be a first
, but when it is harder to think up rational explanations for an unexplained experience than it would be to call the poster a lying attention seeker in the first place, then it seems to me something is going on here.
Could it be the desire to 'explain' otherwise scary stuff is rooted in a wish to confirm the world as one devoid of ghosts, ghouls, flying saucers, etc. Just calling someone a liar doesn't do that does it? It leaves open the possibility that someone else may not be lying. It is the innate fear of the unknown itself that fuels the need to find rational explanations for everything.
Perhaps it is politeness, that would be a first
, but when it is harder to think up rational explanations for an unexplained experience than it would be to call the poster a lying attention seeker in the first place, then it seems to me something is going on here.Could it be the desire to 'explain' otherwise scary stuff is rooted in a wish to confirm the world as one devoid of ghosts, ghouls, flying saucers, etc. Just calling someone a liar doesn't do that does it? It leaves open the possibility that someone else may not be lying. It is the innate fear of the unknown itself that fuels the need to find rational explanations for everything.
Roofless Toothless said:
The thing I find most interesting about this thread is that nobody is questioning the honesty of the people providing the spooky stories. Elsewhere on PH posters are all too ready to call custard or say it never happened. The claim that four gas rings were on is accepted outright. Then come the theories about clever cats, or whatever.
Perhaps it is politeness, that would be a first, but when it is harder to think up rational explanations for an unexplained experience than it would be to call the poster a lying attention seeker in the first place, then it seems to me something is going on here.
Could it be the desire to 'explain' otherwise scary stuff is rooted in a wish to confirm the world as one devoid of ghosts, ghouls, flying saucers, etc. Just calling someone a liar doesn't do that does it? It leaves open the possibility that someone else may not be lying. It is the innate fear of the unknown itself that fuels the need to find rational explanations for everything.
Perhaps being rational correlates with being socially adept.Perhaps it is politeness, that would be a first
, but when it is harder to think up rational explanations for an unexplained experience than it would be to call the poster a lying attention seeker in the first place, then it seems to me something is going on here.Could it be the desire to 'explain' otherwise scary stuff is rooted in a wish to confirm the world as one devoid of ghosts, ghouls, flying saucers, etc. Just calling someone a liar doesn't do that does it? It leaves open the possibility that someone else may not be lying. It is the innate fear of the unknown itself that fuels the need to find rational explanations for everything.
I find rational explanations are usually a lot easier.
shakotan said:
smn159 said:
deckster said:
Efbe said:
given that our current laws of physics do not conform to this empirical explanation/verification you are talking of, why should anything else?
In what way does me picking up a glass not conform to Newtonian mechanics?Every rational line of thinking is thrown aside, and the last line is "well, it's paranormal, of course convention thinking and science can't explain it".
It's the spooky version of using "God did it".
We do not understand matter, space, time or gravity for a start. More importantly for this thread, we do not understand consciousness or brain power as I have explained in detail previously. Dismissing crackpot theories is one thing, but dismissing them without fully understanding what is known so far, our current recent theories and how close these get to the crackpot theories is another.
boobles said:
When I was younger & worked as a window fitter, I was left alone in this house (people that owned it were in the Army) & I remember going down stairs & feeling a lot of heat coming from the kitchen. I genuinely can't explain but all 4 gas rings were lit on the cooker but nobody was there apart from me. I did tell the owner of the house on his arrival & he did say that he thought the house was haunted. I didn't read to much into it & carried on doing my job. I can't explain why they were lit but they were.
Were you at the property to fit a window by any chance? If so I would suggest that the homeowner chose not to put the heating on that morning as they knew the house would be open to the elements whilst trying window figment/fixing was occurring and so it would be a waste of money.
They were cold, they thus heated the room they were in immediately prior to their departure (the kitchen) via a common practice (the hob). In having their routine disrupted (explaining to you when they would be back etc) they forgot to turn it off. You found it.
Edited by CS Garth on Friday 21st July 02:16
Efbe said:
We do not understand matter, space, time or gravity for a start. More importantly for this thread, we do not understand consciousness or brain power as I have explained in detail previously. Dismissing crackpot theories is one thing, but dismissing them without fully understanding what is known so far, our current recent theories and how close these get to the crackpot theories is another.
Saying, "we don't fully understand X, therefore Y is true" is just lazy thinking IMO. CS Garth said:
boobles said:
When I was younger & worked as a window fitter, I was left alone in this house (people that owned it were in the Army) & I remember going down stairs & feeling a lot of heat coming from the kitchen. I genuinely can't explain but all 4 gas rings were lit on the cooker but nobody was there apart from me. I did tell the owner of the house on his arrival & he did say that he thought the house was haunted. I didn't read to much into it & carried on doing my job. I can't explain why they were lit but they were.
Were you at the property to fit a window by any chance? If so I would suggest that the homeowner chose not to put the heating on that morning as they knew the house would be open to the elements whilst trying window figment/fixing was occurring and so it would be a waste of money.
They were cold, they thus heated the room they were in immediately prior to their departure (the kitchen) via a common practice (the hob). In having their routine disrupted (explaining to you when they would be back etc) they forgot to turn it off. You found it.
Edited by CS Garth on Friday 21st July 02:16
Front bottom said:
He mentioned in a separate post that it was in the middle of summer, and from the way the post is written above, it's very unlikely that they were turned on by the owner/s before they went out.
This is correct. Middle of summer. Homeowner had gone to work & I was the only person in the house. Was in & out of the kitchen & nothing was on what so ever. After about the 4th or 5th trip into the kitchen all 4 gas rings were lit but were 100% not switched on by the homeowner or me. Was it paranormal ? I have never said it was, but it was strange indeed & the homeowner on his arrival had suggested that he thought the house was haunted after I had told him about it.As a man of science, I struggle to believe in these things but I do sometimes wish they were true - would make life more interesting.
Most mornings I'm first in the office, and with the motion activated lights off it's already a little creepy. Naturally the first order of business in the morning is to make a coffee, so I'll pop into the kitchen at the end of the office. Most days I'll hear the office door open and footsteps and then leave the kitchen to find an empty office. I am 99% sure that the sounds are from the office upstairs but I'd like to believe it was a ghost, purely to give the place a bit of character....although why the fk any ghost would choose to haunt this office I don't know 
Most mornings I'm first in the office, and with the motion activated lights off it's already a little creepy. Naturally the first order of business in the morning is to make a coffee, so I'll pop into the kitchen at the end of the office. Most days I'll hear the office door open and footsteps and then leave the kitchen to find an empty office. I am 99% sure that the sounds are from the office upstairs but I'd like to believe it was a ghost, purely to give the place a bit of character....although why the f
k any ghost would choose to haunt this office I don't know smn159 said:
Efbe said:
We do not understand matter, space, time or gravity for a start. More importantly for this thread, we do not understand consciousness or brain power as I have explained in detail previously. Dismissing crackpot theories is one thing, but dismissing them without fully understanding what is known so far, our current recent theories and how close these get to the crackpot theories is another.
Saying, "we don't fully understand X, therefore Y is true" is just lazy thinking IMO. Disastrous said:
scherzkeks said:
Nanook said:
scherzkeks said:
So is repeatedly relying on a straw man argument
You would know, you're an expert at crap arguments.t.His rage spills into a thread about the paranormal.
Efbe said:
I am not in any way saying this avenue of reasoning supports any paranormal or godly theories, however there is so so much we don't know about everything.
We do not understand matter, space, time or gravity for a start. More importantly for this thread, we do not understand consciousness or brain power as I have explained in detail previously. Dismissing crackpot theories is one thing, but dismissing them without fully understanding what is known so far, our current recent theories and how close these get to the crackpot theories is another.
We have an understanding of all those things,that we can model and predict behavior on. To say we don't understand it is false. We do not understand matter, space, time or gravity for a start. More importantly for this thread, we do not understand consciousness or brain power as I have explained in detail previously. Dismissing crackpot theories is one thing, but dismissing them without fully understanding what is known so far, our current recent theories and how close these get to the crackpot theories is another.
Edited by ofcorsa on Wednesday 2nd August 14:26
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