Going on the run - where/how?
Discussion
the tribester said:
Yipper said:
His crew have obviously shacked him up somewhere, like a house, farm, office or warehouse. Case is too high-profile to spirit him away to Costa del Crime. He will be caught in a few days.
I guess he didn't read this forum, and this post was probably spot on.https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3396332/dram...
I have a £750 a day limit on my debit card.
You can use it for a few days before it would get barred. Your bank may flag to the Police where it's used - so use cash machines at train stations.
I'm guessing I could get more out on the credit card.
I'd then buy on the credit card some portable items I could sell on easily (although at a loss) watches, gold etc.
Over a few days I could have £5k in cash and some more in saleable assets. Then:
Do not go home - most criminals (being generally quite thick) are found at home or at friends/relatives. Unbelievably a lot of people that abscond from prison are found back in their home town....idiots!
Change appearance - is easy or not so easy depending on what you look like. Hat and dark glasses is enough to start with. Assuming you are the sort of person to throw acid about - you probably have a tattoo on your neck or hands - cover those up.
Buy a train ticket to Cornwall/Scotland/Portsmouth using your cards. Turn your phone on - leave it on silent. Get on the train, push phone down back of seat . Whilst on train change your disguise, a different hat and coat is enough. Get off train before it departs. Leave the station - go to another station and head in opposite direction to where your traceable phone is now going.
Do not go to a small town or village - stick to large urban areas. Make no contact with friends or family. Do not sleep rough - rough sleepers are often asked for ID by police.
By all means book at a hotel using cash - you have 'lost your wallet or your wife has kicked you out' - if the staff look at all suspicious say you have changed your mind and walk out. If feels okay - go to room then go back to reception and casually mention you're popping out for an hour. Wait somewhere inconspicuous- a nearby cafe will do - if no Police turn up within two hours (it's a high profile crime) then you're probably okay.
Return to hotel, go back to room, check your escape routes. If you can leave the hotel without the staff seeing then do so and again wait a couple of hours. Watch for any activity - if you're comfortable it's safe, go back in.
Depending on how serious your crime and how high profile you are, you may now have a few days to get yourself together. Keep moving around the city - book each hotel for two nights but only stay for one.
Make some decisions and plan your route out of the country.
You may want to consider; am I prepared to hurt people to stay out of custody? Am I prepared to add to my list of crimes to keep free?
Buy a cheap phone and a sim - text known associates and feed them (and therefore police) false information. Do the same with emails. Obviously travel to another town before turning on the phone on or using an Internet cafe. Leave the phone unlocked and switched on in that town in a place it will easily be picked up by someone - a bus for example.
If you can get out of the country - life will not be fun. You'll always be looking over your shoulder. You cannot come back to UK. Again amazing how many criminals get caught coming back in after a few years because they think they've been forgotten.
You can use it for a few days before it would get barred. Your bank may flag to the Police where it's used - so use cash machines at train stations.
I'm guessing I could get more out on the credit card.
I'd then buy on the credit card some portable items I could sell on easily (although at a loss) watches, gold etc.
Over a few days I could have £5k in cash and some more in saleable assets. Then:
Do not go home - most criminals (being generally quite thick) are found at home or at friends/relatives. Unbelievably a lot of people that abscond from prison are found back in their home town....idiots!
Change appearance - is easy or not so easy depending on what you look like. Hat and dark glasses is enough to start with. Assuming you are the sort of person to throw acid about - you probably have a tattoo on your neck or hands - cover those up.
Buy a train ticket to Cornwall/Scotland/Portsmouth using your cards. Turn your phone on - leave it on silent. Get on the train, push phone down back of seat . Whilst on train change your disguise, a different hat and coat is enough. Get off train before it departs. Leave the station - go to another station and head in opposite direction to where your traceable phone is now going.
Do not go to a small town or village - stick to large urban areas. Make no contact with friends or family. Do not sleep rough - rough sleepers are often asked for ID by police.
By all means book at a hotel using cash - you have 'lost your wallet or your wife has kicked you out' - if the staff look at all suspicious say you have changed your mind and walk out. If feels okay - go to room then go back to reception and casually mention you're popping out for an hour. Wait somewhere inconspicuous- a nearby cafe will do - if no Police turn up within two hours (it's a high profile crime) then you're probably okay.
Return to hotel, go back to room, check your escape routes. If you can leave the hotel without the staff seeing then do so and again wait a couple of hours. Watch for any activity - if you're comfortable it's safe, go back in.
Depending on how serious your crime and how high profile you are, you may now have a few days to get yourself together. Keep moving around the city - book each hotel for two nights but only stay for one.
Make some decisions and plan your route out of the country.
You may want to consider; am I prepared to hurt people to stay out of custody? Am I prepared to add to my list of crimes to keep free?
Buy a cheap phone and a sim - text known associates and feed them (and therefore police) false information. Do the same with emails. Obviously travel to another town before turning on the phone on or using an Internet cafe. Leave the phone unlocked and switched on in that town in a place it will easily be picked up by someone - a bus for example.
If you can get out of the country - life will not be fun. You'll always be looking over your shoulder. You cannot come back to UK. Again amazing how many criminals get caught coming back in after a few years because they think they've been forgotten.
Edited by jdw100 on Monday 24th April 06:53
Edited by jdw100 on Monday 24th April 06:54
Edited by jdw100 on Monday 24th April 06:55
JDW100 has put an alarming amount of thought into this. One idea a mate suggested when discussing this scenario for a (hypothetical) getaway was to arrange a hotel room/bedsit/hideout or whatever under a false name and occupy intermittently it before going on the run. That way you won't be a stranger who has suddenly appeared during a manhunt.
Dr Jekyll said:
JDW100 has put an alarming amount of thought into this. One idea a mate suggested when discussing this scenario for a (hypothetical) getaway was to arrange a hotel room/bedsit/hideout or whatever under a false name and occupy intermittently it before going on the run. That way you won't be a stranger who has suddenly appeared during a manhunt.
This was an impromptu 'going on the run'. With proper time to prepare it would be much easier.Very hard to get any room to rent beyond a cheap hotel if using a false name these days. You need a very plausible excuse to not have a credit card or other ID. A lot of chain hotels will not let you book without card or ID.
Getting out of the country does not guarantee success these days either. Gone are the days (unless you have a lot of cash) of getting a false passport that will get you across borders by plane.
It's all magnitudes of difficulty more challenging now.
You need a country with lax internal travel checks and accept you may never leave it again.
I have used an expired UK driving licence to travel internally in certain countries but you'd never be able to leave by air without proper ID. Also a lot of countries that seem attractive have quite stringent immigration policies. A reasonable probability of being picked up at some point in the future and this could get flagged to UK.
My advice - don't go throwing acid at people.
schmunk said:
Timfy said:
PieSlayer said:
I've never heard that before, what does it mean?
A mix of boiling water and sugar, causes a lot of damage if it's thrown all over you. It is usually a prison thing. Obtain as much hard cash as possible.
Steal a yacht and sail to mainland Europe. It's not that difficult to get ashore without being checked over if you're careful and not too fussed about leaving the boat somewhere dubious (i.e. not in a marina where the customs/border force types will be monitoring foreign traffic)
Steal a yacht and sail to mainland Europe. It's not that difficult to get ashore without being checked over if you're careful and not too fussed about leaving the boat somewhere dubious (i.e. not in a marina where the customs/border force types will be monitoring foreign traffic)
Jazzy Jag said:
Having watched Hunted,my plan was to put my phone on a Train where it would be traced going IP and down the country while I legged it to Cornwall.
My other plans was to move into the same building as the Hunters and sit in a office one floor above them.
Having watched all of Hunted, they will no doubt stick a cheap Camera to the side of a building and magically be able to access it and pull the data off it.My other plans was to move into the same building as the Hunters and sit in a office one floor above them.
the idea of the program is great but the execution in their case sucks.
I imagine it would be very lonely not speaking to anyone you know, living like a poor immigrant in a strange place. You could build a new life eventually but you'd never forget your old one. It'd be a bit like a bereavement. Especially if you had kids.
You'd have to weigh it up, a few years of prison might be worth it. Then again I've never been to prison so what do I know.
You'd have to weigh it up, a few years of prison might be worth it. Then again I've never been to prison so what do I know.
feef said:
Obtain as much hard cash as possible.
Steal a yacht and sail to mainland Europe. It's not that difficult to get ashore without being checked over if you're careful and not too fussed about leaving the boat somewhere dubious (i.e. not in a marina where the customs/border force types will be monitoring foreign traffic)
A yakt would probably be too slow and too traceable. And restrictive in terms of where you end up. The right sort of Rib would get you over the water in two hours and allow for disembarking at numerous locations along the coast where there are no chances of border checks. Steal a yacht and sail to mainland Europe. It's not that difficult to get ashore without being checked over if you're careful and not too fussed about leaving the boat somewhere dubious (i.e. not in a marina where the customs/border force types will be monitoring foreign traffic)
You then have the problem of procuring suitable transport on the other side without ID.
jdw100 said:
Very hard to get any room to rent beyond a cheap hotel if using a false name these days. You need a very plausible excuse to not have a credit card or other ID. A lot of chain hotels will not let you book without card or ID.
Getting out of the country does not guarantee success these days either. Gone are the days (unless you have a lot of cash) of getting a false passport that will get you across borders by plane.
It's all magnitudes of difficulty more challenging now.
You need a country with lax internal travel checks and accept you may never leave it again.
These indeed are the main issues...Getting out of the country does not guarantee success these days either. Gone are the days (unless you have a lot of cash) of getting a false passport that will get you across borders by plane.
It's all magnitudes of difficulty more challenging now.
You need a country with lax internal travel checks and accept you may never leave it again.
Whilst getting a fake passport is, no doubt doable with cash, unless you are already connected to "the underworld" it's going to be incredibly tough to rock up anywhere legitimate and build a new life.
Even the crappiest flea-pits in the USA for example require ID in order to check in, that's not to say that a $50 "tip" wouldn't limit their eyesight but it's going to be a risk every time you try it.
I reckon the only way to properly disappear is to have a full backstopped second identity that's been created over the previous years, but even that's not anything like as easy as it once was....
Technology giveth and technology taketh away.
Bdevo3 said:
schmunk said:
Timfy said:
PieSlayer said:
I've never heard that before, what does it mean?
A mix of boiling water and sugar, causes a lot of damage if it's thrown all over you. It is usually a prison thing. 
t to me.Why would a house burglar spend the time to boil a kettle, that takes over a minute, and makes noise that could wake people up, and is quite cumbersome to carry around?
If you're the type of person who's ok with throwing boiling water on people, I'm sure you'd just carry a knife instead.
buggalugs said:
I imagine it would be very lonely not speaking to anyone you know, living like a poor immigrant in a strange place. You could build a new life eventually but you'd never forget your old one. It'd be a bit like a bereavement. Especially if you had kids.
It's why Montgomery Brogan chose not to run.Richard John Bingham did a pretty decent job of it..
There is always the option of going on the run in plain sight, but then you need a certain amount of notoriety or infamy to make a go of it, e.g. Ronnie Biggs, but even he gave up - and it's a matter of time for Julian Assange.
There is always the option of going on the run in plain sight, but then you need a certain amount of notoriety or infamy to make a go of it, e.g. Ronnie Biggs, but even he gave up - and it's a matter of time for Julian Assange.
Edited by hoegaardenruls on Tuesday 25th April 07:26
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