Does anyone believe supernatural rubbish?

[p1stonhead]

Careful everyone, there are some Beadles About type ghosts around now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4521618/CC...

[TwigtheWonderkid]

motorizer said:

The point is though, that they are there. It's up to you whether you believe in them or not, (I don't), but you can't use the argument that there aren't any.

And if there actually was a real one, it would just look the same as all the ones on youtube....

Not many CCTV vids with eyewitness accounts to go with them though, you always seem to either get one or the other. funny that....

Edited by motorizer on Friday 19th May 10:50

Couldn't a computer geek examine CCTV footage to see if it's been tampered with?

[motorizer]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Couldn't a computer geek examine CCTV footage to see if it's been tampered with?

To be honest I think a lot of it is old tape stuff, with tapes that have been recorded over a million times and have leftover blurs and stuff from previous times.

But what do I know?....I wasn't there man.....

I don't think a computer geek could spot a fake done with wires, etc....

[motorizer]

p1stonhead said:

Careful everyone, there are some Beadles About type ghosts around now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4521618/CC...

There's another where no one seems to have asked the people in the video what actually happened...

[BMWBen]

motorizer said:

p1stonhead said:

Careful everyone, there are some Beadles About type ghosts around now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4521618/CC...

There's another where no one seems to have asked the people in the video what actually happened...

As always, is it more likely to be:
1. A badly designed staircase/slippery steps (i can see fine sand in the video)
2. Ghosts


Obviously the owner goes with 2, because it means he doesn't have to spend st tonnes of money making his staircase safe.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

A couple of years back a US tv new cameraman apparently filmed real footage of a possessed baby crawling along the ceiling. Unfortunately, as luck would have it, having filmed this life changing footage, he put the tape in his bag with all the other tapes. So later that day, when he went to film the oldest tortoise in Omaha or whatever, he filmed over the demonic baby.

Annoying or what. He had footage that would have catapulted him to worldwide fame and fortune, and he taped over it.

I know how he feels. I won the Euro lotto rollover jackpot, £150m. Unfortunately, I decided to store the winning ticket in with my Rizla papers. And you'll never guess what happened.......

Still, that's life!

[p1stonhead]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

A couple of years back a US tv new cameraman apparently filmed real footage of a possessed baby crawling along the ceiling. Unfortunately, as luck would have it, having filmed this life changing footage, he put the tape in his bag with all the other tapes. So later that day, when he went to film the oldest tortoise in Omaha or whatever, he filmed over the demonic baby.

Annoying or what. He had footage that would have catapulted him to worldwide fame and fortune, and he taped over it.

I know how he feels. I won the Euro lotto rollover jackpot, £150m. Unfortunately, I decided to store the winning ticket in with my Rizla papers. And you'll never guess what happened.......

Still, that's life!

God you idiot! Must have been kicking yourself.

Great story - keep em coming

[motorizer]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

A couple of years back a US tv new cameraman apparently filmed real footage of a possessed baby crawling along the ceiling. Unfortunately, as luck would have it, having filmed this life changing footage, he put the tape in his bag with all the other tapes. So later that day, when he went to film the oldest tortoise in Omaha or whatever, he filmed over the demonic baby.

Annoying or what. He had footage that would have catapulted him to worldwide fame and fortune, and he taped over it.

I know how he feels. I won the Euro lotto rollover jackpot, £150m. Unfortunately, I decided to store the winning ticket in with my Rizla papers. And you'll never guess what happened.......

Still, that's life!

I hate it when that happens.

[SpeckledJim]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

A couple of years back a US tv new cameraman apparently filmed real footage of a possessed baby crawling along the ceiling. Unfortunately, as luck would have it, having filmed this life changing footage, he put the tape in his bag with all the other tapes. So later that day, when he went to film the oldest tortoise in Omaha or whatever, he filmed over the demonic baby.

Annoying or what. He had footage that would have catapulted him to worldwide fame and fortune, and he taped over it.

I know how he feels. I won the Euro lotto rollover jackpot, £150m. Unfortunately, I decided to store the winning ticket in with my Rizla papers. And you'll never guess what happened.......

Still, that's life!

These modern camcorders - you just can't tell which is the top and which is the bottom!

[shakotan]

BMWBen said:

motorizer said:

p1stonhead said:

Careful everyone, there are some Beadles About type ghosts around now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4521618/CC...

There's another where no one seems to have asked the people in the video what actually happened...

As always, is it more likely to be:
1. A badly designed staircase/slippery steps (i can see fine sand in the video)
2. Ghosts


Obviously the owner goes with 2, because it means he doesn't have to spend st tonnes of money making his staircase safe.

The first guy in that video is quite clearly attempting pull-ups on the bar over the bottom of the stairs, and then slips off and face plants into them.

[drainbrain]

Interesting.

Well, sort of.....

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-verified-super...


I especially like the "JimTwins" one in this lot too.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/sto...

Edited by drainbrain on Friday 19th May 14:33

[smn159]

drainbrain said:

Interesting.

Well, sort of.....

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-verified-super...

So what's your point?

[drainbrain]

smn159 said:

drainbrain said:

Interesting.

Well, sort of.....

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-verified-super...

So what's your point?

Do you mean the point of posting a transhumanist perspective on the 'paranormal' on a chatroom thread about the paranormal?

Well, because it's interesting...sort of.

[smn159]

drainbrain said:

Do you mean the point of posting a transhumanist perspective on the 'paranormal' on a chatroom thread about the paranormal?

Well, because it's interesting...sort of.

Anyone can post links to random st - what point are you trying to make?

[drainbrain]

smn159 said:

Anyone can post links to random st - what point are you trying to make?

Re-read the previous answer.

[smn159]

drainbrain said:

Re-read the previous answer.

Yeah, thought not

[steveL98]

BMWBen said:

steveL98 said:

BMWBen said:

At Bletchley Park they were using mathematical analysis of the cryptographic algorithms used by the Germans to decode their messages. Arrrgh my braaaain!

That's correct but not all the decoders were mathematicians.. There were others there possibly with autistic tendencies that could see things from a different perspective without formal and relevant education. I have a guy in the lab like that here.. Difficult, and socially inept, but a total genius in problem solving or innovation.

As I keep saying, limiting ourselves to logic and number crunching every situation is fine for most situations, but it isn't the only way..

They might not have all been mathematicians, but they were certainly all using maths and logic.

Your terminology is causing me problems here, so maybe you mean something else. "Limiting yourself to logic" seems like a very strange thing to say from my perspective. The laws of logic are fundamental to our existence. Using them is not "limiting", it's "correct" and it's the only way to get correct answers. If your answer is not consistent with logic, it can't be correct.

Let's take a simple example.

If A and B are true, then C is true.

You seem to be saying that when we find A and B to be true, that there is some way that C can be false, while the statement remains true and consistent.

It cannot be. If it could, you could have a reasonable expectation that you could jump out of your window and find yourself flying upwards due to gravity.

This just answers your own question, and like many others who can't (or don't for career reasons) wish to see beyond their own calculative processes, they are effectively blinkering themselves from the bigger picture. We humans are poor, dim creatures really, and there has to be more around than what we are aware of. Be it physical or maybe even paranormal inter-dimensional existences that you say just can't exist because your calculator says so..

Think of planets in the universe, are you saying that we are the only ones with a civilisation, with all its human or similar being traits and creations like rock music, phones, Cadillacs with big fins, etc, etc? Even by the narrow minded logic type thinking, using the laws of physics, that just can't be.. Once we master warp time travel, right now a theory, but getting ever closer we'll open the door and throw away all our Casios.

Consider a bumble bee.. Its defies all logic and number crunching regarding its ability to fly, yet it does and it does it very well too.. So if bumble bees did not exist, and you designed one, you'd be totally derided if you said "..this could fly!"

Get the idea?

[BMWBen]

steveL98 said:

BMWBen said:

steveL98 said:

BMWBen said:

At Bletchley Park they were using mathematical analysis of the cryptographic algorithms used by the Germans to decode their messages. Arrrgh my braaaain!

That's correct but not all the decoders were mathematicians.. There were others there possibly with autistic tendencies that could see things from a different perspective without formal and relevant education. I have a guy in the lab like that here.. Difficult, and socially inept, but a total genius in problem solving or innovation.

As I keep saying, limiting ourselves to logic and number crunching every situation is fine for most situations, but it isn't the only way..

They might not have all been mathematicians, but they were certainly all using maths and logic.

Your terminology is causing me problems here, so maybe you mean something else. "Limiting yourself to logic" seems like a very strange thing to say from my perspective. The laws of logic are fundamental to our existence. Using them is not "limiting", it's "correct" and it's the only way to get correct answers. If your answer is not consistent with logic, it can't be correct.

Let's take a simple example.

If A and B are true, then C is true.

You seem to be saying that when we find A and B to be true, that there is some way that C can be false, while the statement remains true and consistent.

It cannot be. If it could, you could have a reasonable expectation that you could jump out of your window and find yourself flying upwards due to gravity.

This just answers your own question, and like many others who can't (or don't for career reasons) wish to see beyond their own calculative processes, they are effectively blinkering themselves from the bigger picture. We humans are poor, dim creatures really, and there has to be more around than what we are aware of. Be it physical or maybe even paranormal inter-dimensional existences that you say just can't exist because your calculator says so..

Think of planets in the universe, are you saying that we are the only ones with a civilisation, with all its human or similar being traits and creations like rock music, phones, Cadillacs with big fins, etc, etc? Even by the narrow minded logic type thinking, using the laws of physics, that just can't be.. Once we master warp time travel, right now a theory, but getting ever closer we'll open the door and throw away all our Casios.

Consider a bumble bee.. Its defies all logic and number crunching regarding its ability to fly, yet it does and it does it very well too.. So if bumble bees did not exist, and you designed one, you'd be totally derided if you said "..this could fly!"

Get the idea?

No, I don't, because there isn't a rational one. I presented a simple logical impossibility. It's got nothing to do with my calculative processes, nor yours. It's a axiom that as far as we know, holds true across the universe and across time. If you have found some kind of flaw with it, you're going to get a noble prize and be one of the most influential people in philosophy, maths and science that the world has ever known.

You then go on to present a few different straw man arguments:

1. As far as we know, logic for other civilisations in other parts of the universe will be exactly the same as it is for us. How do we know? Because our maths and logic is effective at describing and explaining observations that we have made of other parts of the universe. Are there other "dimensions" that have different logical and mathematical laws? We couldn't prove or disprove it, and I'm not sure how that's relevant to your point. We are governed by these ones.
2. A bumblebee does not do anything that is logically or mathematically impossible. I don't mean that it's not a clever little fellow who's very good at flying, I mean that there is nothing that it does that changes our understanding of logic. If you can demonstrate that it does, you would be one of the most influential people in philosophy, maths and science that the world has ever known and you would change the course of history.

[otolith]

If your model predicts that bumblebees can't fly, the scientific response is "that's interesting, let's investigate and refine the model".

Not "must be magic".

The assertion that the model didn't predict bumblebee flight was from the 1930's, by the way, and is long solved.

http://www.livescience.com/33075-how-bees-fly.html

[smn159]

steveL98 said:

This just answers your own question, and like many others who can't (or don't for career reasons) wish to see beyond their own calculative processes, they are effectively blinkering themselves from the bigger picture. We humans are poor, dim creatures really, and there has to be more around than what we are aware of. Be it physical or maybe even paranormal inter-dimensional existences that you say just can't exist because your calculator says so..

Think of planets in the universe, are you saying that we are the only ones with a civilisation, with all its human or similar being traits and creations like rock music, phones, Cadillacs with big fins, etc, etc? Even by the narrow minded logic type thinking, using the laws of physics, that just can't be.. Once we master warp time travel, right now a theory, but getting ever closer we'll open the door and throw away all our Casios.

Consider a bumble bee.. Its defies all logic and number crunching regarding its ability to fly, yet it does and it does it very well too.. So if bumble bees did not exist, and you designed one, you'd be totally derided if you said "..this could fly!"

Get the idea?

Assertions based on general ignorance.
Would not read again
2/10