Does anyone believe supernatural rubbish?

[Sa Calobra]

+1.

[wack]

conkerman said:

MXRod said:

I have no religious beliefs,don't believe in ghosts,but

Take a visit to ground zero in New York, and tell me you do not feel a presence.
I did , it is suffocating and heavy, explain ?

Because you know what happened there?

Exactly , I felt the same visiting the Anne Frank house in Amsterdam and so did everyone else , nobody spoke a word the whole time I was in there.

[Hrimfaxi]

conkerman said:

MXRod said:

I have no religious beliefs,don't believe in ghosts,but

Take a visit to ground zero in New York, and tell me you do not feel a presence.
I did , it is suffocating and heavy, explain ?

Because you know what happened there?

I think a kind of placebo effect is to blame for those who think they've "encountered" a ghost, especially when they're in a place which is supposed to be haunted, or if (like ground zero) has a heavy/dark history.

Also, if there are ghosts - surely that means there'll be a spirit from everything that's lived - human, or otherwise. Are there tree ghosts?

[e21Mark]

The mind is a powerful thing. It can conjure up all manner of explanations (subconsciously) for things / situations / atmosphere etc, that it doesn't have an explanation for.

[wack]

I stand corrected it's all real

FF to 1:30 for conclusive proof miracles exist , I'm going to edit my bks post now, clearly I was wrong

https://youtu.be/m0z-TppUC48

[wjb]

wack said:

I stand corrected it's all real

FF to 1:30 for conclusive proof miracles exist , I'm going to edit my bks post now, clearly I was wrong

https://youtu.be/m0z-TppUC48

Top comment on that video

"Will this work on other body parts? Asking for a friend."

[spaximus]

There are things that seem to have no explanation. For example my wife has several times woke up in the morning and said I dreamt there was a plane crash. On switching on the Tv or radio there had indeed been airplane crash that night.

She had not been awake or had heard anything on the news whilst half asleep. She has no explanation but I believe her as she is usually quiet upset when it happens. If she says to me don't get on a plane I would not do it.

Also, when we went to Oradour which was the scene of a Nazi atrocity in France, I swear once inside the gates there were no birds singing and the feeling of (well words fail me but unpleasant is the best) made me turn around and I never got to the end of the place.

Other swear it is the same at the concentration camps. To me it is unexplained that is all, could it be supernatural possibly but there may well be explanations that fit.

Some of those who believe are clearly nut jobs, but some rational people, like police officers have experienced things they too cannot explain, I am also told morgue workers experience things they cannot explain, who knows?

[GroundEffect]

spaximus said:

There are things that seem to have no explanation. For example my wife has several times woke up in the morning and said I dreamt there was a plane crash. On switching on the Tv or radio there had indeed been airplane crash that night.

She had not been awake or had heard anything on the news whilst half asleep. She has no explanation but I believe her as she is usually quiet upset when it happens. If she says to me don't get on a plane I would not do it.

On average there are 85 accidents a year therefore the odds of that event being accountable by chance are 1 in 4.3 that any given night you have a dream of a plane crash that its actually happened in reality. Assuming equal distribution.

Hardly inexplicable...

[johnxjsc1985]

I am on the fence with the whole paranormal stuff having never heard or witnessed anything unusual. However I do find the stories of people who have experiences fascinating . The closest experience I can think of is when I come home and open the front door I can tell straight away if someone is home. Hardly spooky I know.

[The Vambo]

wack said:

Exactly , I felt the same visiting the Anne Frank house in Amsterdam and so did everyone else , nobody spoke a word the whole time I was in there.

Who actually died at Anne Franks house?

[OzzyR1]

Jonmx said:

I've seen people who aren't really there, felt things and heard things that aren't real too. In my case it's mental illness that causes me to 'see' and 'feel' these things. I suspect it's the same for a lot of others, whether they are aware of an illness or not. Extreme fatigue can also cause people to experience things they might describe as being supernatural, ie seeing and hearing things. A common thing that people can experience is Hypnagogic hallucinations that are hallucinations experienced in the consciousness threshold from consciousness to sleep and vice versa. These can seem very real and are very frightening to most people as your body seems paralysed.
I think that the human brain is an incredibly complex bit of kit that can make us believe we are seeing and experiencing things that aren't really there. We're fortunate that there is understanding of these issues now, and that we don't burn people who see things at the stake or dunk them into rivers.

That's very interesting, thanks for being so open.

You say mental illness so you are obviously aware of that fact you have a condition. What was the diagnosis in your case? Apologies if too personal, understand if you don't want to answer.

Would like to know though, when you see/hear/feel these people do you have a conscious recognition that they are not real at that moment in time or is it something that you realise afterwards?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

MXRod said:

I have no religious beliefs,don't believe in ghosts,but

Take a visit to ground zero in New York, and tell me you do not feel a presence.
I did , it is suffocating and heavy, explain ?

Years ago I saw an experiment thing on TV. They took 30 people to an old manor house for an overnight stay. They split them into 2 groups of 15. The first group were told the manor house was haunted. 150 yrs ago a young girl had been murdered whilst asleep, in a white victorian nightdress, and apparently she haunted the manor house.

The 2nd group were told they were staying overnight, before visiting a haunted abbey the next day.

The next morning they asked the 2 groups how they'd slept. About 12 or so people in group 1 had a terrible night. All kinds of spooky happenings, cold draughts, noises, windows flying open, all the way up to seeing a young girl in a white nightdress.

The 2nd group had nothing to report.

Explain?

[jmorgan]

Ghost go for the guiliable?

[zygalski]

Staunch materialism a la PH & spirituality aren't the most obvious bedfellows.

[wack]

The Vambo said:

wack said:

Exactly , I felt the same visiting the Anne Frank house in Amsterdam and so did everyone else , nobody spoke a word the whole time I was in there.

Who actually died at Anne Franks house?

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It's an old house, I'd think it fairly likely somebody has died there but the heavy atmosphere was there because of the history and sadness of a young girl and her family being murdered in a concentration camp

[jmorgan]

MXRod said:

I have no religious beliefs,don't believe in ghosts,but

Take a visit to ground zero in New York, and tell me you do not feel a presence.
I did , it is suffocating and heavy, explain ?

I felt it was a place where something terrible happened by the demeanour of the people had I not watched it unfold on TV. Live. The horror of it all came back to me as an observer that could see but not do anything. Not that I could in all reality do anything. There was a lot of quiet respect. I took my camera but kept it away until I saw many taking shots. Not gurning idiot shots, just memories. I did the same with some dread but no one seemed to mind and kept it simple.

I read a lot of the names, learned where there were flowers in some names. The new building is close by and uncompleted at the time. The place is different, it is a memorial. I was surprised how small the footprints of the buildings are.

With the greatest respect to the place, no presence.

Been to a few old and ancient battle fields over the years as well. Nothing.

[Kermit power]

TLandCruiser said:

No, same thing as fate.

I believe in fate. I just think that we make our own though.

Obviously not the "a fairground gypsy told him he'd die in a plane crash so he never ever flew, then died when a Cessna crashed into his house" type rubbish, but just working on the basis that if you tell yourself you can do something, there's a fair chance you'll be right, whereas if you tell yourself you can't, you'll definitely be right.

From that, and failing to recognise it in oneself, comes the belief in "fate" as a cosmic pre-ordained destiny.

[e21Mark]

Does the saying ''everything happens for a reason'' come under fate?

People used to say that to me after I recovered from a near fatal car crash. The only reason I could come up with was that I hit a lamp post but I got the feeling this wasn't the 'reason' they were alluding to.

[Mr2Mike]

e21Mark said:

Does the saying ''everything happens for a reason'' come under fate?

Depending on the scope it could be classed as stating the bleeding obvious. When talking about events being preordained by some omnipotent being then I suspect it's used by people who are simply trying to rationalise traumatic events.

[austinsmirk]

I meet a lot of people who claimed to live in haunted houses, be suffering from ghostly stuff.

(I work for a housing association)

without a doubt they are all absolutely bat sh** crazy and staggeringly dysfunctional people.

if it wasn't for vecro and slip on shoes I doubt they'd be able to even put a complex lace up shoe on and leave the house.

You never meet a normal working person, educated, carrying on in a normal way who brings this up.