Does anyone believe supernatural rubbish?
Discussion
TheLuke said:
There is a logical, reasonable explanation for everything.
Out of body experiences, at the very least are nothing but your mind playing tricks on you.
I wouldn't mind about people believing in all this stuff but most of them, if not all defy our current understanding of the universe.
Here's some:Out of body experiences, at the very least are nothing but your mind playing tricks on you.
I wouldn't mind about people believing in all this stuff but most of them, if not all defy our current understanding of the universe.
http://www.oberf.org
And then there's this:
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2014/10/07-world...
And this:
http://www.livescience.com/50683-out-of-body-illus...
Edited by drainbrain on Saturday 27th May 17:23
I had an out of body experience when I was about 15. I fell asleep on the edge of my single bed. My upper body was on the bed and legs were kind of hanging off the bed. It was a really hot day. I remember trying to get up several times and failing. Then when I did, I could see myself laying asleep on the bed. I realised what happened and seemed to just go back into my body.
My GP said that my mind just woke up and got up before my body did. He said I must have fallen asleep very deeply as I may still be growing ( I think he said sprouting actually). I have never forgotten the experience. My heart was pounding, I felt frightened.
My GP said that my mind just woke up and got up before my body did. He said I must have fallen asleep very deeply as I may still be growing ( I think he said sprouting actually). I have never forgotten the experience. My heart was pounding, I felt frightened.
drainbrain said:
TheLuke said:
There is a logical, reasonable explanation for everything.
Out of body experiences, at the very least are nothing but your mind playing tricks on you.
I wouldn't mind about people believing in all this stuff but most of them, if not all defy our current understanding of the universe.
Here's some:Out of body experiences, at the very least are nothing but your mind playing tricks on you.
I wouldn't mind about people believing in all this stuff but most of them, if not all defy our current understanding of the universe.
http://www.oberf.org
And then there's this:
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2014/10/07-world...
And this:
http://www.livescience.com/50683-out-of-body-illus...
Edited by drainbrain on Saturday 27th May 17:23
The second one has this hysterical quote:
Thus, while it was not possible to absolutely prove the reality or meaning of patients’ experiences and claims of awareness, (due to the very low incidence (2 per cent) of explicit recall of visual awareness or so called OBE’s), it was impossible to disclaim them either and more work is needed in this area. Clearly, the recalled experience surrounding death now merits further genuine investigation without prejudice.
2 percent and that requires further investigation? Someone is very desperate for a grant.
I'll quote the 3rd one too:
It may also help to better understand the effect of the anesthetic drug Ketamine (which is used illegally for recreational purposes), which can induce similar feelings of being removed from one's own body, Guterstam said.
Who would have guessed mind altering drugs can cause illusions?
Is being close to death really the best time for a human to decide rationally and objectively what they saw. Possible oxygen starvation and parts of the brain shutting down, whilst other parts try and keep going despite the body's extreme predicament.
I'd be surprised anyone with an ounce of critical thinking in them gives these accounts the slightest bit of credence.
I'd be surprised anyone with an ounce of critical thinking in them gives these accounts the slightest bit of credence.
drainbrain said:
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They really do see you coming don't they
What a load of horses
t.it is kind of a basic flaw in mankind that we cannot just focus on the here and now and be kind to the people we meet along the way. Instead we have most of the world worshiping a "GOD" who cannot be proven or those who believe in an after life that's convenient for those who fk up the first one.
Your Born you live your life and then you die, make the most of the bit where you can actually have an influence on your well being and those around you.
k up the first one.Your Born you live your life and then you die, make the most of the bit where you can actually have an influence on your well being and those around you.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Is being close to death really the best time for a human to decide rationally and objectively what they saw. Possible oxygen starvation and parts of the brain shutting down, whilst other parts try and keep going despite the body's extreme predicament.
I'd be surprised anyone with an ounce of critical thinking in them gives these accounts the slightest bit of credence.
Be surprised.....I'd be surprised anyone with an ounce of critical thinking in them gives these accounts the slightest bit of credence.
Dr Sam Parnia, Assistant Professor of Critical Care Medicine and Director of Resuscitation Research at The State University of New York at Stony Brook, USA, and the study’s lead author, explained: “Contrary to perception, death is not a specific moment but a potentially reversible process that occurs after any severe illness or accident causes the heart, lungs and brain to cease functioning. If attempts are made to reverse this process, it is referred to as ‘cardiac arrest’; however, if these attempts do not succeed it is called ‘death’. In this study we wanted to go beyond the emotionally charged yet poorly defined term of NDEs to explore objectively what happens when we die.”
Look! Look! The Beano says it's true as well!!
Surely THAT settles it....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2123380/researcher...
Surely THAT settles it....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2123380/researcher...
twoblacklines said:
jdw100 said:
No they don't, that is just a ridiculous and false statement.
A tiny bit of research shows that to be rubbish.
Which you convieniently don't link to.A tiny bit of research shows that to be rubbish.
Whereas I can link to a whole forum dedicated to it and one that is extremely professional about it at that.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/
Hmmmm....do you think a forum dedicated to people who are convinced they share an experience is in any way impartial?
No, I'm sure you don't...because that would make you an idiot, wouldn't it?
Have a quick Google, your statement that all people have exactly the same experience with the same visions in the same 'time and place' is clearly nonsense.
Two people standing around having a chat in the pub will not have the same experience - just try and think critically for one minute.
Saw a programme about out of body experiences. Some of the tales were quite interesting.
One was a woman who had been hurt badly in a horse riding accident, She survived and was one of very,very few people to recover fully from the injuries she sustained.
She left her body and went floating away and met a long dead relative who said she had a chance to go back if she wanted to.
She seemed like a normal person,didn't seem to gain anything from telling her story.
Another one was a bloke who had been thrown out of a car in a crash, lost an arm and landed in a lake at the side of the road, he was saved by another motorist who had seen what happened.He had been dead for a long time apparently.
His story was interesting but he said too many things like 'oh my Lord' and 'save me God'.Sounded a bit false in the end.
One was a woman who had been hurt badly in a horse riding accident, She survived and was one of very,very few people to recover fully from the injuries she sustained.
She left her body and went floating away and met a long dead relative who said she had a chance to go back if she wanted to.
She seemed like a normal person,didn't seem to gain anything from telling her story.
Another one was a bloke who had been thrown out of a car in a crash, lost an arm and landed in a lake at the side of the road, he was saved by another motorist who had seen what happened.He had been dead for a long time apparently.
His story was interesting but he said too many things like 'oh my Lord' and 'save me God'.Sounded a bit false in the end.
I could tell you about my uncle Oscar's out of body experience after a heart attack, but I won't.
Instead, I wonder who may have read H G Wells' story Under The Knife?
https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/w/wells/hg/plattner...
Instead, I wonder who may have read H G Wells' story Under The Knife?
https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/w/wells/hg/plattner...
drainbrain said:
Be surprised.....
Dr Sam Parnia, Assistant Professor of Critical Care Medicine and Director of Resuscitation Research at The State University of New York at Stony Brook, USA, and the study’s lead author, explained: “Contrary to perception, death is not a specific moment but a potentially reversible process that occurs after any severe illness or accident causes the heart, lungs and brain to cease functioning.
OK, I take it all back. That sounds like the perfect time to give a reliable testimony. Dr Sam Parnia, Assistant Professor of Critical Care Medicine and Director of Resuscitation Research at The State University of New York at Stony Brook, USA, and the study’s lead author, explained: “Contrary to perception, death is not a specific moment but a potentially reversible process that occurs after any severe illness or accident causes the heart, lungs and brain to cease functioning.
Supposing you were accused of bursting into the operating theatre and murdering one of the nurses. One of your accusers was the bloke lying on the operating table. Despite being unconscious, he was fortunately floating above the scene at the time going towards the white light so had a great view of the alleged offence.
Now, your defence lawyer get up to question him, what course of questioning do you expect him to take?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
OK, I take it all back. That sounds like the perfect time to give a reliable testimony.
Supposing you were accused of bursting into the operating theatre and murdering one of the nurses. One of your accusers was the bloke lying on the operating table. Despite being unconscious, he was fortunately floating above the scene at the time going towards the white light so had a great view of the alleged offence.
Now, your defence lawyer get up to question him, what course of questioning do you expect him to take?
Well he certainly wouldn't be starting by introducing the jury to the many serious scientific studies on oob/nde would he?Supposing you were accused of bursting into the operating theatre and murdering one of the nurses. One of your accusers was the bloke lying on the operating table. Despite being unconscious, he was fortunately floating above the scene at the time going towards the white light so had a great view of the alleged offence.
Now, your defence lawyer get up to question him, what course of questioning do you expect him to take?
(ps: is this the type of courtroom where pre-evidence the witness is asked to "Swear by Almighty God" ?
)jdw100 said:
I could link you to a flat earth society forum or one on Area 51.
Hmmmm....do you think a forum dedicated to people who are convinced they share an experience is in any way impartial?
No, I'm sure you don't...because that would make you an idiot, wouldn't it?
Have a quick Google, your statement that all people have exactly the same experience with the same visions in the same 'time and place' is clearly nonsense.
Two people standing around having a chat in the pub will not have the same experience - just try and think critically for one minute.
Actually there are many tales of 'shared experience' which more or less affirm what two black lines is saying. Native South American cultures have rituals involving the taking of naturally occurring psychotropic substances the central aim of which is to produce an experience which is common to the participants.Hmmmm....do you think a forum dedicated to people who are convinced they share an experience is in any way impartial?
No, I'm sure you don't...because that would make you an idiot, wouldn't it?
Have a quick Google, your statement that all people have exactly the same experience with the same visions in the same 'time and place' is clearly nonsense.
Two people standing around having a chat in the pub will not have the same experience - just try and think critically for one minute.
The anthropologist Carlos Castaneda wrote extensively about his personal researches and participation in such rituals in Mexico. Worth checking him out if it's of any interest to you. Aldous Huxley's "Doors of Perception" goes down the same road.
drainbrain said:
Actually there are many tales of 'shared experience' which more or less affirm what two black lines is saying. Native South American cultures have rituals involving the taking of naturally occurring psychotropic substances the central aim of which is to produce an experience which is common to the participants.
The anthropologist Carlos Castaneda wrote extensively about his personal researches and participation in such rituals in Mexico. Worth checking him out if it's of any interest to you. Aldous Huxley's "Doors of Perception" goes down the same road.
Black Lines asserted that everybody has the same experience. I'm sure many of the experiences are very similar. But not everybody has the same one, which is what he was claiming.The anthropologist Carlos Castaneda wrote extensively about his personal researches and participation in such rituals in Mexico. Worth checking him out if it's of any interest to you. Aldous Huxley's "Doors of Perception" goes down the same road.
I've had E where say 5 of a group, of 8 of experienced some strange visual hallucinations. That's not everybody.
Also I'm very aware that people's faces weren't actually turning into to demons faces and projecting themselves a meter to the left. I was aware that it's just a reaction of chemicals on my brain.
Am I expected to believe then that I could see, I don't know, people's real souls or something?
Yes I read Huxley's work years ago and a fair bit on other culture's use of drugs. They do alter your perception but there is no way you can assert these experiences are 'real' without better evidence.
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