Millennials

[johnwilliams77]

FredClogs said:

I think he owns/runs the CarThrottle Website, it's a bit odd that he still posts on Pistonheads if he does, but what ever he does he's doing it well and fair play to him.

I don't think he does given he's just said he works in Engineering!

[warp9]

Walked into the office today to overhear a 17 year old say to a colleague 'so does 75 plus 25 equal 100?' I really don't know how she's made it this far.

[Angrybiker]

johnwilliams77 said:

Really?
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/abe...

Yeah I think I smell some creative statistics here from the Aberdeen University marketing department.

[Angrybiker]

Second Best said:

Thanks! I actually joined as an apprentice ten years ago this year, and the company put me through all the education I needed (including my degree). Wasn't much fun working during the day and studying in the evening, but getting a decent salary and having no student loan to pay off was the advantage. I suspect I may have been able to buy without any assistance if I lived somewhere that had a cheaper housing market (I lived in Bristol at the time), but a little help to buy your first house is always well appreciated and somewhat expected these days.

I've moved to London with the role and buying a house round here will be an extremely tall order!

Indeed, good luck with that. London is insane. I'm starting to save up now for my kids' deposits!

Unless you take a quick course at Aberdeen University, as per johnwilliams above. Then see your salary suddenly skyrocket, because all the best payers want grads from Aberdeen and not from Oxbridge
(after of course shelling out 27k or whatever it is, to them)

[DuncB7]

johnwilliams77 said:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/abe...

That is the height of nonsense.

Engineering graduates are not earning £50k in Aberdeen. With the industry as it as at the moment, graduates can expect to earn £30k for their first year in industry.

The Evening Express is the Daily Mail for Aberdeen. Piss poor and mostly sensationalist journalism.

[johnwilliams77]

DuncB7 said:

That is the height of nonsense.

Engineering graduates are not earning £50k in Aberdeen. With the industry as it as at the moment, graduates can expect to earn £30k for their first year in industry.

The Evening Express is the Daily Mail for Aberdeen. Piss poor and mostly sensationalist journalism.

5 years after graduation. Many, many are earning much more, that is just an average.

[DuncB7]

johnwilliams77 said:

5 years after graduation. Many, many are earning much more, that is just an average.

Pardon me. I didn't read that bit - website wanted some silly survey answering.

In my own personal experience, the article is accurate.

Aberdeen has massively inflated salaries. There are some truly average engineers earning porn star money here.

[johnwilliams77]

DuncB7 said:

Pardon me. I didn't read that bit - website wanted some silly survey answering.

In my own personal experience, the article is accurate.

Aberdeen has massively inflated salaries. There are some truly average engineers earning porn star money here.

Indeed
Many do not take time to read information presented to them correctly

[DuncB7]

johnwilliams77 said:

Many do not take time to read information presented to them correctly

Touché

[Jambo85]

Angrybiker said:

Unless you take a quick course at Aberdeen University, as per johnwilliams above. Then see your salary suddenly skyrocket, because all the best payers want grads from Aberdeen and not from Oxbridge

Don't knock it - at one time Aberdeen had as many universities as England! It ranks highly. Though the reason for those stats will be more to do with the oil bubble and the fact that many students will be from the area and/or stay there after graduating.

Angrybiker said:

(after of course shelling out 27k or whatever it is, to them)

Or nothing at all, if you live on the right side of the border

PS no I didn't go there

[johnwilliams77]

Jambo85 said:

Or nothing at all, if you live on the right side of the border

PS no I didn't go there

Many non oil related engineering companies pay well too with added Visits to sites / option for working abroad increasing the salary significantly

[Jambo85]

johnwilliams77 said:

Jambo85 said:

Or nothing at all, if you live on the right side of the border

PS no I didn't go there

Many non oil related engineering companies pay well too with added Visits to sites / option for working abroad increasing the salary significantly

Yes but despite what I said above it isn't clear to me why Aberdeen graduates would have an edge there.

Anyway, in an attempt to get us back on topic - I was at a Brewdog shareholder do at the weekend. Impressive as an employer, people really do appear to come first and happy, passionate people all round - almost exclusively millennials as well. Incredibly successful company. Proves - to me anyway - that millenials have plenty to offer but stiff corporate environments in which they are just a number are not where they will (typically) thrive.

[johnwilliams77]

Jambo85 said:

Yes but despite what I said above it isn't clear to me why Aberdeen graduates would have an edge there.

Anyway, in an attempt to get us back on topic - I was at a Brewdog shareholder do at the weekend. Impressive as an employer, people really do appear to come first and happy, passionate people all round - almost exclusively millennials as well. Incredibly successful company. Proves - to me anyway - that millenials have plenty to offer but stiff corporate environments in which they are just a number are not where they will (typically) thrive.

Quite simple
Because they join oil companies which pay more. Many of which start out offshore with substantial allowances for doing so.

Agree on your millenials comment.

[NRS]

johnwilliams77 said:

Quite simple
Because they join oil companies which pay more. Many of which start out offshore with substantial allowances for doing so.

Agree on your millenials comment.

It said more in the same sector - so depending what is counted in the sector then if it was oil and gas why would people from Aberdeen earn more than others also working there from another uni? I actually graduated from there for my BSc before doing my MSc at Imperial, but don't feel I earn that much more than colleagues!

[Jambo85]

johnwilliams77 said:

Quite simple
Because they join oil companies which pay more.

But you said non oil related!?

Edit: I expect we're in agreement but at least one of us is picking the other up wrong. Let's get back on topic!

Edited by Jambo85 on Tuesday 27th June 22:47

[johnwilliams77]

NRS said:

It said more in the same sector - so depending what is counted in the sector then if it was oil and gas why would people from Aberdeen earn more than others also working there from another uni? I actually graduated from there for my BSc before doing my MSc at Imperial, but don't feel I earn that much more than colleagues!

Really?

It says: "Statistics from the Department of Education show engineering and technology graduates from the University of Aberdeen can earn £17,679 more than the sector average five years after graduation."

It does not mean you earn more than your colleagues in the same company! It means you are likely to earn more than the average for the engineering sector across the UK, i.e. there are lots of office engineering roles in England which will start low/mid 20's and a slow rise over 10/15years to 35/40k.

Jambo85 said:

But you said non oil related!?

Edit: I expect we're in agreement but at least one of us is picking the other up wrong. Let's get back on topic!

Edited by Jambo85 on Tuesday 27th June 22:47

Yes, indeed, also to demonstrate a point that many companies outside oil also pay will with site allowances / working abroad opportunities - it's not all an 'Aberdeen bubble'.

I agree, back on topic.

[NRS]

johnwilliams77 said:

NRS said:

It said more in the same sector - so depending what is counted in the sector then if it was oil and gas why would people from Aberdeen earn more than others also working there from another uni? I actually graduated from there for my BSc before doing my MSc at Imperial, but don't feel I earn that much more than colleagues!

Really?

It says: "Statistics from the Department of Education show engineering and technology graduates from the University of Aberdeen can earn £17,679 more than the sector average five years after graduation."

It does not mean you earn more than your colleagues in the same company! It means you are likely to earn more than the average for the engineering sector across the UK, i.e. there are lots of office engineering roles in England which will start low/mid 20's and a slow rise over 10/15years to 35/40k

Oil and gas is often described as a sector, hence the potential for differences depending what you describe as a sector (rather than pure engineering). That was the main point. The latter part was more person experience and I don't think Aberdeen would have better stats within oil and gas if it is defined as a sector than other universities.

But I'm a useless millenial, so had to google to make an ill-informed opinion on this (tenuous link to get it back on topic)!

[jdw100]

Just thought I'd chuck a couple of stories on here, illustrating a change in behaviour from my generation (I'm 49 and retired) and the 'millenials'.

Quick caveat - I've worked with people of all ages and some work hard and some are lazy etc. I just think my examples show a different attitude and I can't imagine many people thinking and reacting like these;

I had a Researcher working for me a couple of years ago. As is my way I like to take people at her level out to see clients - good exposure, widens their understanding of the business/role etc etc.

Said to her on the Monday that we'll be catching a flight on Thursday morning 07:30 to Amsterdam for a meeting at 11:00 and coming back same day. Next day she comes in to ask if we can get a later flight. I ask why and she tells me her dad says she'll have to be up at 05:30 to get to airport on time and that's too early for her.

I respond well I'll be up at same time to make the flight (fairly regular one for me) and she just has to jump in a pre-booked taxi. It's not something she'll be doing every day or even once a month. This is a 23 year old graduate working for an international consultancy.

Apparently though dad is still not happy and wants us to move the meeting with client to later in the day! In the end I took someone else, he did a great job (same age c23) client really liked him. I just cannot imagine at 24 having my dad (or using him as an excuse) prevent an early start for a business meeting to help develop my career.

A colleague had another one where the junior person submitted a report that was good but the grammar and spelling left quite a bit to be desired. On raising this with her the junior person responded 'well that's just your opinion". Wouldn't accept that we couldn't submit work like this, as had been told at University that as long as the person reading it could understand the work then spelling was not that important.

My colleague (a lovely person, really good mentor) asked if the person was dyslexic- no, not at all. Ok...have you lived in America (color. use of z instead of s etc.) - no. Ok well try reading it aloud to yourself (or get a colleague to read it to you) and see if it makes sense to you in these areas..maybe that will help with your sentence structure and then use spell check to check through it again.

Responded that she didn't see why she should as my colleague was just 'picking fault' as as long as the client could make sense of it that's all that was important. As my colleague said when telling me this one - can you imagine at that age and just getting started that your boss' boss's review of your work is 'just a matter of opionion'!


One more that I just remembered...a mate of my mine was picnicking in a park last year with his partner and young child (c18 months old). There were a group of lads (early 20s) chucking a frisbee around - clad, he said, in very tight chino shorts and plimsolls with buttoned up Fred Perrys, tattoos and beards. However, they weren't actually enjoying chucking a frisbee around as my generation might have, they were more intent on filming themselves pretending to play with a frisbee.

They kept getting very close to my mate who eventually asked them to be careful and maybe move a bit further way. He says immediately he got a response that 'it's not your park' and 'it's our right to be here' etc.

Well one thing led to another and one of these berks trampled right though the middle of their picnic missing the baby by a inch. My mate, not best known for his temper, ends up putting this one on his arse and telling them in no uncertain terms to fk off right now.

It's three on one and he's expecting it to kick off but to his surprise (and his partner's as she was thinking that this was going to end up in a fight) one of them bursts in to tears, the one on the ground is picked up and hugged by the other. My friend is told that 'you can't do that' and 'I can't believe you did that' and they just upped and left. No fight - just tears and hugs. As my mate puts it now - what a bunch of instagram s.

Edited by jdw100 on Thursday 29th June 07:06

Edited by jdw100 on Thursday 29th June 07:19

[Jambo85]

jdw100 said:

Said to her on the Monday that we'll be catching a flight on Thursday morning 07:30 to Amsterdam for a meeting at 11:00 and coming back same day. Next day she comes in to ask if we can get a later flight. I ask why and she tells me her dad says she'll have to be up at 05:30 to get to airport on time and that's too early for her.
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Apparently though dad is still not happy and wants us to move the meeting with client to later in the day! In the end I took someone else

That's brilliant.

I must admit though that while I have previously given up Sunday afternoons to get a flight in order to be somewhere first thing on a Monday, I've got little patience for that kind of bks these days. I guess the person you refer to above is just taking that a step further (albeit being wet and using their dad as a proxy!?), although as has come up a few times in this thread most of us wouldn't think twice about putting in extra effort early on in our careers.

[Shakermaker]

Jambo85 said:

jdw100 said:

Said to her on the Monday that we'll be catching a flight on Thursday morning 07:30 to Amsterdam for a meeting at 11:00 and coming back same day. Next day she comes in to ask if we can get a later flight. I ask why and she tells me her dad says she'll have to be up at 05:30 to get to airport on time and that's too early for her.
...

Apparently though dad is still not happy and wants us to move the meeting with client to later in the day! In the end I took someone else

That's brilliant.

I must admit though that while I have previously given up Sunday afternoons to get a flight in order to be somewhere first thing on a Monday, I've got little patience for that kind of bks these days. I guess the person you refer to above is just taking that a step further (albeit being wet and using their dad as a proxy!?), although as has come up a few times in this thread most of us wouldn't think twice about putting in extra effort early on in our careers.

I am reminded that actually yes, I have had staff telling me they can't work early shifts/late shifts in the past, because their dad/mum aren't comfortable letting them out of the house. I actually have had parents call me up, on behalf of their children, to tell me they won't let them come in so early in the morning.

FFS why take a job at an airport and agree to shift work, where you are clearly told it might mean starting at 5am or finishing at midnight depending on workload, if you aren't going to do those hours?

They get all indignant when I told them that I was pretty much the same age as them, and had happily got up at 3/4am many times to go into work because it was what I needed to do to earn money.

However, it still isn't limited to millenials, as I also had a woman who got her husband to phone me to say he didn't want his wife to finish at 11.30pm because she wouldn't be safe getting the bus home from work and then walking home from the bus stop. again, she was just workshy anyway and looking for an excuse not to do the job she had signed up for.