Getting out ... (whilst you're still alive)
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Tony Starks said:
Even 30 years later I think all welsh are female genitalia.
Thanks very much 
Nickbrapp said:
I'm 25 and thinking the same thing, I live in South Wales so already pretty rual but I want something else, I've always wanted to run a B&B, but where would I even begin with that?!
Similar situation to yourself. 27 in South Wales, work remotely for a company based in England. I'm going to buy a house here soon, so need a good plan B in case I'm canned. Wouldn't mind trading antiques for a living (similar to Salvage Hunters if you've seen the program).
But I believe it's a whole lot more difficult than I imagine it to be.
My target from early working life was to retire early. A target of age 55 was set. Long term finances were therefore a priority. Short/ongoing lifestyle was not an issue and we enjoyed ourselves despite a setback of redundancy. No extravagant spending or excessive mortgage etc..
Company I got to work for were good. Salary good, conditions good, very good salary based pension scheme. You could work out your optimum leaving by retirement age to optimise finances and if you were within a short time of it a good option to leave. I managed to do that with voluntary redundancy/early retirement package. I planned to invest the money for a short while untouched and do a "topping up" job for a while.
This worked out fine but I actually retired at 60. Not too bad really.
I had interests/hobbies/aims set up in readiness and the company paid for a retirement course to advise, hence the topping up job.
The decision to make a long term retirement strategy was the right one.
We now have a good financial backing and income for no worry retirement. Good health, plenty of interests.
No scenario of suddenly finding retirement happening and getting a shock!
There were a couple of periods years ago when things were tight (redundancy) but by making changes and seeking progress got us through.
We are loving retirement now and don't really miss work as such, just the social aspects assosciated with it have changed.
My advice.....plan long term and be prepared to be flexible.
Set yourself up with a "life outside work", adapt.
Company I got to work for were good. Salary good, conditions good, very good salary based pension scheme. You could work out your optimum leaving by retirement age to optimise finances and if you were within a short time of it a good option to leave. I managed to do that with voluntary redundancy/early retirement package. I planned to invest the money for a short while untouched and do a "topping up" job for a while.
This worked out fine but I actually retired at 60. Not too bad really.
I had interests/hobbies/aims set up in readiness and the company paid for a retirement course to advise, hence the topping up job.
The decision to make a long term retirement strategy was the right one.
We now have a good financial backing and income for no worry retirement. Good health, plenty of interests.
No scenario of suddenly finding retirement happening and getting a shock!
There were a couple of periods years ago when things were tight (redundancy) but by making changes and seeking progress got us through.
We are loving retirement now and don't really miss work as such, just the social aspects assosciated with it have changed.
My advice.....plan long term and be prepared to be flexible.
Set yourself up with a "life outside work", adapt.
FocusRS3 said:
escape the city seems a decent website which offers more advice than the others .
I just googled jobs at Tesla and seemingly you need a bachelors degree to sell their cars.
I get that thier product is technology and very "smart" so maybe they can be very choosey
E mail from Tesla scotlandI just googled jobs at Tesla and seemingly you need a bachelors degree to sell their cars.
I get that thier product is technology and very "smart" so maybe they can be very choosey
"In late July, the UK announced a commitment to end the sale of all new petrol and diesel cars and vans from 2040. In the same spirit, the Scottish Government recently announced an even more ambitious target to phase out petrol and diesel vehicles eight years sooner—by 2032.
The announcement featured the following plans:
Expand charging infrastructure in urban and rural Scotland between now and 2022
Establish the A9 as the country’s first ‘electric highway’
Bringing in Low Emission Zones in Scotland’s four biggest cities by 2020
From the beginning, our goal at Tesla has been to produce ground-breaking electric vehicles to accelerate the future of sustainable energy. With zero emissions, our fully-electric Model S and Model X vehicles help to protect air quality, public health, and the environment, while our Solar Roof and Powerwall energy products help to generate and store clean energy.
In addition to cost savings through electric vehicle incentives including interest free loans for personal and business purchases in Scotland, Model S and Model X have the strongest residual values of any car in their class. Tesla vehicles are the only cars on the road that get better with age, thanks to over-the-air updates adding new features and functionality.
Schedule a test drive to experience Model S or Model X, or check out a variety of inventory vehicles available for immediate delivery."
Starting price 54k used.
You might want to re-evaluate that Tesla gig...
Sylvaforever said:
E mail from Tesla scotland
"In late July, the UK announced a commitment to end the sale of all new petrol and diesel cars and vans from 2040. In the same spirit, the Scottish Government recently announced an even more ambitious target to phase out petrol and diesel vehicles eight years sooner—by 2032.
The announcement featured the following plans:
Expand charging infrastructure in urban and rural Scotland between now and 2022
Establish the A9 as the country’s first ‘electric highway’
Bringing in Low Emission Zones in Scotland’s four biggest cities by 2020
From the beginning, our goal at Tesla has been to produce ground-breaking electric vehicles to accelerate the future of sustainable energy. With zero emissions, our fully-electric Model S and Model X vehicles help to protect air quality, public health, and the environment, while our Solar Roof and Powerwall energy products help to generate and store clean energy.
In addition to cost savings through electric vehicle incentives including interest free loans for personal and business purchases in Scotland, Model S and Model X have the strongest residual values of any car in their class. Tesla vehicles are the only cars on the road that get better with age, thanks to over-the-air updates adding new features and functionality.
Schedule a test drive to experience Model S or Model X, or check out a variety of inventory vehicles available for immediate delivery."
Starting price 54k used.
You might want to re-evaluate that Tesla gig...
Oh i think Tesla have a winning formula and the rest will play catch-up. Landing a job there is the tricky part"In late July, the UK announced a commitment to end the sale of all new petrol and diesel cars and vans from 2040. In the same spirit, the Scottish Government recently announced an even more ambitious target to phase out petrol and diesel vehicles eight years sooner—by 2032.
The announcement featured the following plans:
Expand charging infrastructure in urban and rural Scotland between now and 2022
Establish the A9 as the country’s first ‘electric highway’
Bringing in Low Emission Zones in Scotland’s four biggest cities by 2020
From the beginning, our goal at Tesla has been to produce ground-breaking electric vehicles to accelerate the future of sustainable energy. With zero emissions, our fully-electric Model S and Model X vehicles help to protect air quality, public health, and the environment, while our Solar Roof and Powerwall energy products help to generate and store clean energy.
In addition to cost savings through electric vehicle incentives including interest free loans for personal and business purchases in Scotland, Model S and Model X have the strongest residual values of any car in their class. Tesla vehicles are the only cars on the road that get better with age, thanks to over-the-air updates adding new features and functionality.
Schedule a test drive to experience Model S or Model X, or check out a variety of inventory vehicles available for immediate delivery."
Starting price 54k used.
You might want to re-evaluate that Tesla gig...
The Mad Monk said:
Do it through a reputable professional agency. References checked, full deposit taken.
Not - 'Oh, I know a friend of a friend who is looking for a flat'.
And you’ll still run a very real risk of having nightmare tenants not paying for months on end, having to follow legal processes to get them out and then when you do get them out (eventually) having to deal with the many £k’s in damages they’ve caused - and insurances for tenant damage are mostly worthless and you’ll struggle to get them to pay anything even after getting a court order against them ... ask me how I know Not - 'Oh, I know a friend of a friend who is looking for a flat'.
Prizam said:
Compared to where I live now it is!
I guess for me, it's a case of just having the balls to do it.
That "having the balls" is hurdle to overcome.I guess for me, it's a case of just having the balls to do it.
If you have been working with a regular salary then you have to get the mindset that you have plans in place to replace the salary with a pension or income from investments etc.. If you have planned and done that then the second hurdle is actually giving up work! Years of the built up work ethic will nag you. You will think you are indispensible in work. You will think of holding back. If you can do it then step back, look at what will happen when you leave. Can you/have you been able to set up a replacement for yourself? Is a replacement already chosen?
Signing the paperwork/writing your acceptance letter can be tough too.
So....you have done these and there is a handover plan in place. Resist the temptation to carry on as normal and ease off.
The mental aspects are something often missed by people.
sospan said:
That "having the balls" is hurdle to overcome.
If you have been working with a regular salary then you have to get the mindset that you have plans in place to replace the salary with a pension or income from investments etc.. If you have planned and done that then the second hurdle is actually giving up work! Years of the built up work ethic will nag you. You will think you are indispensible in work. You will think of holding back. If you can do it then step back, look at what will happen when you leave. Can you/have you been able to set up a replacement for yourself? Is a replacement already chosen?
Signing the paperwork/writing your acceptance letter can be tough too.
So....you have done these and there is a handover plan in place. Resist the temptation to carry on as normal and ease off.
The mental aspects are something often missed by people.
Very good point. Do not underestimate the difficulty of making this move, especially if leaving the country.If you have been working with a regular salary then you have to get the mindset that you have plans in place to replace the salary with a pension or income from investments etc.. If you have planned and done that then the second hurdle is actually giving up work! Years of the built up work ethic will nag you. You will think you are indispensible in work. You will think of holding back. If you can do it then step back, look at what will happen when you leave. Can you/have you been able to set up a replacement for yourself? Is a replacement already chosen?
Signing the paperwork/writing your acceptance letter can be tough too.
So....you have done these and there is a handover plan in place. Resist the temptation to carry on as normal and ease off.
The mental aspects are something often missed by people.
I bottled it the first time - made plans/promises to move and managed to talk myself out it. Carried on doing the same thing, commuting in to London a couple of days a week, getting more business, talking about future plans with my colleagues, going out with friends etc.
Because of my personal situation found myself going out more, ending up with various women, more parties, more big nights out etc etc...going to the gym, eating in my usual cafe etc etc...
Then I had a moment of clarity one evening on the South Bank having a drink outside the NT. Stood with various friends (quite a few of whom are single - make and female) - and I just though "f
k, we've been doing this for years and these guys will still be doing it in 10 years time." It kind of washed over me in a wave of realisation - this is not what I want anymore.
House went back on market, I started selling stuff on eBay, car sold to garage that looked after it for me. As soon as I got a bonus my notice went in at work etc etc...
Booked a shippping date for my stuff and got in a house clearance company to get rid of everything else.
I realise now that it had been easy to just carry on with my usual life. I can remember the feeling though when I realised that I'd had enough and things needed to change.
I'm fortunate that my, now, wife had understood why I was struggling to move countries. Two years later I'm married and have a kid on the way - due November.
This particular group of freinds mentioned above - some of whom I'll see next week - are still doing the same thing.....that of course is their choice.
I'm just so glad that I went ahead with the move!
Interesting topic, and wholeheartedly one I support.
I took a career break 2 years ago now, and at the time everyone (including me!) thought I'd probably not return. Had an absolute blast around the world, trained as an EFL teacher (decent certificate) and then, bizarrely, got the first job I applied for on a paradise island...
Sorted? Nah. It was all a bit early and I didn't really gel with the place. Thoroughly glad I've had the chance to sample it though. There's definitely something to be said about a trial run.
What I have now is the knowledge that I can do it, a few grand in the bank after selling my flat and a reliable future income. Makes work rather more manageable in the short term!
I took a career break 2 years ago now, and at the time everyone (including me!) thought I'd probably not return. Had an absolute blast around the world, trained as an EFL teacher (decent certificate) and then, bizarrely, got the first job I applied for on a paradise island...
Sorted? Nah. It was all a bit early and I didn't really gel with the place. Thoroughly glad I've had the chance to sample it though. There's definitely something to be said about a trial run.
What I have now is the knowledge that I can do it, a few grand in the bank after selling my flat and a reliable future income. Makes work rather more manageable in the short term!
This is exactly what we did, me and the wife, 29 years old, sold up in the South east, moved to north Devon, we have a lovely detached farmhouse and 12 acres, in the process of building a treehouse and hobbit home in the woodland to bring in an income, I work from home, and when we have kids, will both be around to spend time with them, and still do the things we want to!
Back in the SE, I would have had to keep working in London, getting home at 8PM every day after the kids were in bed, just to pay for the roof over my families head.
Its obviously different and harder if you have older kids at school etc, and if you are in a career, you have to think about income to keep you afloat and food on the table, plus older properties and cottages take a lot of upkeep and ££, however, providing you can make the numbers work, they are just excuses
Do it, make the jump!
Back in the SE, I would have had to keep working in London, getting home at 8PM every day after the kids were in bed, just to pay for the roof over my families head.
Its obviously different and harder if you have older kids at school etc, and if you are in a career, you have to think about income to keep you afloat and food on the table, plus older properties and cottages take a lot of upkeep and ££, however, providing you can make the numbers work, they are just excuses
Do it, make the jump!
Edited by sidekickdmr on Wednesday 27th September 09:26
Do it if you can.
A few years ago we had a bad time at work. We lost 3 colleagues to cancer and two to separate accidents at sea over an 18 month period. That makes you re evaluate the future.
I've been contemplating a change of direction ever since. The only sticking point is that the children are coming up to GCSEs so we need to stay stable for that. I'll use that time to plan my escape.
A few years ago we had a bad time at work. We lost 3 colleagues to cancer and two to separate accidents at sea over an 18 month period. That makes you re evaluate the future.
I've been contemplating a change of direction ever since. The only sticking point is that the children are coming up to GCSEs so we need to stay stable for that. I'll use that time to plan my escape.
A thread that is suddenly very pertinent to me as my wife has just handed her notice in at work.
She is a partner in a reasonably large (and expanding) accountancy firm and has been there for 20 years.
However, they have a real issue in the firm with stress and depression and, after having being told by a consultant they brought in that she was on the verge of burnout and having gone to the doctor for a second course of 'uppers', she's made the decision to leave.
A 6 month notice period (so can't really apply for anything at the moment) and nothing to go to are a bit of a concern but I was getting very worried about what she was doing to her long term health.
No job or amount of money is worth killing yourself for. Her cousin had a highly paid role in the City and did exactly the same thing (for pretty much the same reasons) and it has worked out well (found a job, less money but much, much happier).
She is a partner in a reasonably large (and expanding) accountancy firm and has been there for 20 years.
However, they have a real issue in the firm with stress and depression and, after having being told by a consultant they brought in that she was on the verge of burnout and having gone to the doctor for a second course of 'uppers', she's made the decision to leave.
A 6 month notice period (so can't really apply for anything at the moment) and nothing to go to are a bit of a concern but I was getting very worried about what she was doing to her long term health.
No job or amount of money is worth killing yourself for. Her cousin had a highly paid role in the City and did exactly the same thing (for pretty much the same reasons) and it has worked out well (found a job, less money but much, much happier).
Nickbrapp said:
I'm 25 and thinking the same thing, I live in South Wales so already pretty rual but I want something else, I've always wanted to run a B&B, but where would I even begin with that?!
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