Haunted by a child? Thoughts?
Discussion
Efbe said:
You guys are being the opposite of scientific, starting off by trying to disprove everything you can is retard-science. trying to work out what could be proven and how is where you need to start.
This is where you are totally and utterly wrong. 100% back-to-front.'I believe this to be true, how can I prove it' is science of the worst kind and leads to all kinds of confirmation bias and poor experimental practice. It's one of the reasons why there is so much junk science around, particularly in the 'alternative health' sector. Fundamentally, looking for things to support your existing point of view is not science. It's prejudice.
Conversely, looking for ways to disprove things is often pretty good science. Being sceptical, asking for proof, saying 'but it could be this', 'have you thought of that', 'show me how it works', 'that isn't consistent with what we already know' - those are excellent scientific points. Specifically, a thought process along the lines of 'if X, then Y - but we know Y to be false, therefore X must be false as well' is a very powerful tool and pretty much the foundation of the scientific method.
Rawwr said:
Someone's already said that and it's a nonsense. Post some genuine photos and videos and we'll see. It would be genuinely amazing to see. If people keep on posting clips from TV shows and movies, it's like shooting fish in a barrel... with a cannon.
Purely, out of interest..what are your thoughts (if any) on the video I put up?https://youtu.be/l7KmNDx3HrM
There was a little wind, but I tested and rattled the gate. It opened just like someone had lifted the catch. If you have the capability to zoom/pause etc, you see that the catch does just lift up enough for the gate to open.
This happened three times before I put a camera on it, and has not happened since even though we have had all sorts of wind.
For the record , I am joking when I put it down to ghostly goings on, but it has got me intrigued as to what could actually cause it.
Shuvi McTupya said:
Purely, out of interest..what are your thoughts (if any) on the video I put up?
https://youtu.be/l7KmNDx3HrM
There was a little wind, but I tested and rattled the gate. It opened just like someone had lifted the catch. If you have the capability to zoom/pause etc, you see that the catch does just lift up enough for the gate to open.
This happened three times before I put a camera on it, and has not happened since even though we have had all sorts of wind.
For the record , I am joking when I put it down to ghostly goings on, but it has got me intrigued as to what could actually cause it.
The rational explanation would be a Bernoulli effect to lift the catch. I had something not dissimilar in the summer when my brother was outside in the garden talking to me through the kitchen window. We both saw a glass move along the worktop next to the sink, about 8 inches or so. After repeating it a few times, we determined it was just the position he was standing in that caused a funnel effect of a light breeze to give it enough force to push the glass. Sure enough, when he moved away from the window, it stopped working. https://youtu.be/l7KmNDx3HrM
There was a little wind, but I tested and rattled the gate. It opened just like someone had lifted the catch. If you have the capability to zoom/pause etc, you see that the catch does just lift up enough for the gate to open.
This happened three times before I put a camera on it, and has not happened since even though we have had all sorts of wind.
For the record , I am joking when I put it down to ghostly goings on, but it has got me intrigued as to what could actually cause it.
Just a possibility.
Rawwr said:
The rational explanation would be a Bernoulli effect to lift the catch. I had something not dissimilar in the summer when my brother was outside in the garden talking to me through the kitchen window. We both saw a glass move along the worktop next to the sink, about 8 inches or so. After repeating it a few times, we determined it was just the position he was standing in that caused a funnel effect of a light breeze to give it enough force to push the glass. Sure enough, when he moved away from the window, it stopped working.
Just a possibility.
Interesting, one thing has changed in the vicinity of the gate since this happened. I now have a car parked the other side of it which would have an affect on wind I suppose and this has not happened since. Just a possibility.
Another thing to factor in is that about two weeks before this happened I put a new latch on the gate. But in the six weeks since I did that there was only a two hour period in which this new latch was 'failing'. And we have had some proper blowy stuff in that time.
It's a mystery
Front bottom said:
The light breeze/wind may rattle the gate slightly, over time causing the latch to gradually ride up until it reaches the release point is my guess
I suspected that, but I could not replicate it, any rattling or shaking I did only served to make the catch drop into its cradle, as it is supposed too.deckster said:
Efbe said:
You guys are being the opposite of scientific, starting off by trying to disprove everything you can is retard-science. trying to work out what could be proven and how is where you need to start.
This is where you are totally and utterly wrong. 100% back-to-front.'I believe this to be true, how can I prove it' is science of the worst kind and leads to all kinds of confirmation bias and poor experimental practice. It's one of the reasons why there is so much junk science around, particularly in the 'alternative health' sector. Fundamentally, looking for things to support your existing point of view is not science. It's prejudice.
Conversely, looking for ways to disprove things is often pretty good science. Being sceptical, asking for proof, saying 'but it could be this', 'have you thought of that', 'show me how it works', 'that isn't consistent with what we already know' - those are excellent scientific points. Specifically, a thought process along the lines of 'if X, then Y - but we know Y to be false, therefore X must be false as well' is a very powerful tool and pretty much the foundation of the scientific method.
Guessing most of this is just a piss take but I believe in this kind of thing.
Once me mate and I both saw the same thing out the corner of our eyes whilst watching the TV.
We both saw a white figure run upstairs, looked at each other and freaked out.
Just us two in the house (or not).
Still gives me shivers when I talk about it.
Once me mate and I both saw the same thing out the corner of our eyes whilst watching the TV.
We both saw a white figure run upstairs, looked at each other and freaked out.
Just us two in the house (or not).
Still gives me shivers when I talk about it.
Shuvi McTupya said:
Purely, out of interest..what are your thoughts (if any) on the video I put up?
https://youtu.be/l7KmNDx3HrM
There was a little wind, but I tested and rattled the gate. It opened just like someone had lifted the catch. If you have the capability to zoom/pause etc, you see that the catch does just lift up enough for the gate to open.
This happened three times before I put a camera on it, and has not happened since even though we have had all sorts of wind.
For the record , I am joking when I put it down to ghostly goings on, but it has got me intrigued as to what could actually cause it.
If you let the video run to 14 seconds, and then click back to 12 seconds (maybe do it a couple of times), you can see that the latch has moved slightly over time, and eventually reaches the point where the breeze can lift it the rest of the way and push the gate open.https://youtu.be/l7KmNDx3HrM
There was a little wind, but I tested and rattled the gate. It opened just like someone had lifted the catch. If you have the capability to zoom/pause etc, you see that the catch does just lift up enough for the gate to open.
This happened three times before I put a camera on it, and has not happened since even though we have had all sorts of wind.
For the record , I am joking when I put it down to ghostly goings on, but it has got me intrigued as to what could actually cause it.
I remember one of my Dad's colleagues was in the workshop/factory, and working late one night he had an incredibly strong feeling of unease, and some umbrellas in a stand started shaking etc. Turns out one of the machines was faulty and creating a resonance that caused both the vibrations in certain objects, and the weird feeling he had.
Whilst I don't totally disbelieve in some form of 'paranormal', ie. things beyond our current understanding, I'm someone who's beliefs are far more strongly linked to things that can be proved and explained. From all I've seen and read, the argument for why ghost can't exist, based on the fundamental way we currently believe our world to work, is far stronger than the contrary. I am open to our current understandings being challenged, as that is how science moves on after all, but I feel you can't completely disregard science and logical explanations in favour of theories that rely on all of that being wrong. It just seems like you have to draw the line somewhere or you end up believing in all sorts of crazy nonsense.
Doesn't stop me sometimes being terrified of my own shadow when I brave the darkness of the kitchen for a drink of water in the middle of the night however
Edited by Burny16v on Thursday 2nd November 12:22
Just to add in my tail of ghostly woe.
I don't strongly believe, or dis-belive in this kind of thing. I guess its possible.
Driving back from my girlfriends one night, entering a 30mph zone that is just by a pub. Some guy just appeared in the middle of the road. Quite tall, looked very very pale.
I braked hard and swerved to avoid him. I was sure I had hit him or at least clipped him.
Stopped, he was gone. Nothing in rear view mirror. Got out and looked around. No one about. no damage to the car. Nothing.
Also nowhere else he could have gone. The road was long and straight with high hedges each side. I guess he could have dived into a hedge?
Convinced it was a ghost.
I don't strongly believe, or dis-belive in this kind of thing. I guess its possible.
Driving back from my girlfriends one night, entering a 30mph zone that is just by a pub. Some guy just appeared in the middle of the road. Quite tall, looked very very pale.
I braked hard and swerved to avoid him. I was sure I had hit him or at least clipped him.
Stopped, he was gone. Nothing in rear view mirror. Got out and looked around. No one about. no damage to the car. Nothing.
Also nowhere else he could have gone. The road was long and straight with high hedges each side. I guess he could have dived into a hedge?
Convinced it was a ghost.
just to add: my experience of blue is that I've enjoyed the colour throughout my life, blue skies and nice blue water on holidays.
there are some technical articles about blue and other colours on the web if you'd like to find out more detail about the colour spectrum and what colour actually is.
there are some technical articles about blue and other colours on the web if you'd like to find out more detail about the colour spectrum and what colour actually is.
Prizam said:
Just to add in my tail of ghostly woe.
I don't strongly believe, or dis-belive in this kind of thing. I guess its possible.
Driving back from my girlfriends one night, entering a 30mph zone that is just by a pub. Some guy just appeared in the middle of the road. Quite tall, looked very very pale.
I braked hard and swerved to avoid him. I was sure I had hit him or at least clipped him.
Stopped, he was gone. Nothing in rear view mirror. Got out and looked around. No one about. no damage to the car. Nothing.
Also nowhere else he could have gone. The road was long and straight with high hedges each side. I guess he could have dived into a hedge?
Convinced it was a ghost.
Well, this thread prompted my ghostly memory... And that prompted a little googling just after I posted. It seems to be a reasonably well documented "ghost" described as appearing exactly where I saw him. Never ever thought to look it up before now!I don't strongly believe, or dis-belive in this kind of thing. I guess its possible.
Driving back from my girlfriends one night, entering a 30mph zone that is just by a pub. Some guy just appeared in the middle of the road. Quite tall, looked very very pale.
I braked hard and swerved to avoid him. I was sure I had hit him or at least clipped him.
Stopped, he was gone. Nothing in rear view mirror. Got out and looked around. No one about. no damage to the car. Nothing.
Also nowhere else he could have gone. The road was long and straight with high hedges each side. I guess he could have dived into a hedge?
Convinced it was a ghost.
I'm not going to engage in any debate, and this is not my story, but there is an interesting one local to me (I've traveled the road hundreds of times without incident).
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/the-tru...
A work colleague of my dad claims to have experience of this one.
Late at night heading into Maidstone in pouring rain he saw a girl walking along the side of the dual carriageway.
He stopped, offered her a lift, she got in and put her seat belt on, he asked where she was going and she told him Maidstone.
He drove off, looked to his side again and she wasn't there. But the seat belt was still clipped into its buckle.
The son of a work colleague of my mum, on the same road, phoned his dad one night in hysterics saying he'd run over a girl and he couldn't face looking underneath the car.
His dad came out to him, as did police, but there was nobody there. The police told him they get similar reports every so often.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/the-tru...
A work colleague of my dad claims to have experience of this one.
Late at night heading into Maidstone in pouring rain he saw a girl walking along the side of the dual carriageway.
He stopped, offered her a lift, she got in and put her seat belt on, he asked where she was going and she told him Maidstone.
He drove off, looked to his side again and she wasn't there. But the seat belt was still clipped into its buckle.
The son of a work colleague of my mum, on the same road, phoned his dad one night in hysterics saying he'd run over a girl and he couldn't face looking underneath the car.
His dad came out to him, as did police, but there was nobody there. The police told him they get similar reports every so often.
Martin350 said:
A work colleague of my dad claims to have experience of this one.
Late at night heading into Maidstone in pouring rain he saw a girl walking along the side of the dual carriageway.
He stopped, offered her a lift, she got in and put her seat belt on, he asked where she was going and she told him Maidstone.
He drove off, looked to his side again and she wasn't there. But the seat belt was still clipped into its buckle.
Late at night heading into Maidstone in pouring rain he saw a girl walking along the side of the dual carriageway.
He stopped, offered her a lift, she got in and put her seat belt on, he asked where she was going and she told him Maidstone.
He drove off, looked to his side again and she wasn't there. But the seat belt was still clipped into its buckle.
"...and that, my love, my sweet, is how you found that earring in the foot-well after my business trip."
Martin350 said:
I'm not going to engage in any debate, and this is not my story, but there is an interesting one local to me (I've traveled the road hundreds of times without incident).
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/the-tru...
A work colleague of my dad claims to have experience of this one.
Late at night heading into Maidstone in pouring rain he saw a girl walking along the side of the dual carriageway.
He stopped, offered her a lift, she got in and put her seat belt on, he asked where she was going and she told him Maidstone.
He drove off, looked to his side again and she wasn't there. But the seat belt was still clipped into its buckle
The son of a work colleague of my mum, on the same road, phoned his dad one night in hysterics saying he'd run over a girl and he couldn't face looking underneath the car.
His dad came out to him, as did police, but there was nobody there. The police told him they get similar reports every so often.
O/T but 35 years ago I told this story to my then g/f as we left her place in Gillingham to go to The Toastmaster's, Burham. Driving down Bluebell Hill in the dark, at the same time as I started to brake I said 'oh look, a hitch hiker'. I never heard her scream quite like that again,http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/the-tru...
A work colleague of my dad claims to have experience of this one.
Late at night heading into Maidstone in pouring rain he saw a girl walking along the side of the dual carriageway.
He stopped, offered her a lift, she got in and put her seat belt on, he asked where she was going and she told him Maidstone.
He drove off, looked to his side again and she wasn't there. But the seat belt was still clipped into its buckle
The son of a work colleague of my mum, on the same road, phoned his dad one night in hysterics saying he'd run over a girl and he couldn't face looking underneath the car.
His dad came out to him, as did police, but there was nobody there. The police told him they get similar reports every so often.
Sticks. said:
O/T but 35 years ago I told this story to my then g/f as we left her place in Gillingham to go to The Toastmaster's, Burham. Driving down Bluebell Hill in the dark, at the same time as I started to brake I said 'oh look, a hitch hiker'. I never heard her scream quite like that again,
Martin350 said:
I'm not going to engage in any debate, and this is not my story, but there is an interesting one local to me (I've traveled the road hundreds of times without incident).
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/the-tru...
A work colleague of my dad claims to have experience of this one.
Late at night heading into Maidstone in pouring rain he saw a girl walking along the side of the dual carriageway.
He stopped, offered her a lift, she got in and put her seat belt on, he asked where she was going and she told him Maidstone.
He drove off, looked to his side again and she wasn't there. But the seat belt was still clipped into its buckle.
The son of a work colleague of my mum, on the same road, phoned his dad one night in hysterics saying he'd run over a girl and he couldn't face looking underneath the car.
His dad came out to him, as did police, but there was nobody there. The police told him they get similar reports every so often.
Someone wheels this old chestnut out all the time. Heard it a number of times from people travelling on the old A23 to Brighton. Utter guff, of course.http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/the-tru...
A work colleague of my dad claims to have experience of this one.
Late at night heading into Maidstone in pouring rain he saw a girl walking along the side of the dual carriageway.
He stopped, offered her a lift, she got in and put her seat belt on, he asked where she was going and she told him Maidstone.
He drove off, looked to his side again and she wasn't there. But the seat belt was still clipped into its buckle.
The son of a work colleague of my mum, on the same road, phoned his dad one night in hysterics saying he'd run over a girl and he couldn't face looking underneath the car.
His dad came out to him, as did police, but there was nobody there. The police told him they get similar reports every so often.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanishing_hitchhiker
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