Haunted by a child? Thoughts?

[darker grapefruit]

daemon said:

carrottop said:

daemon said:

carrottop said:

Front bottom said:

carrottop said:

I can offer forward a possible experience of a polterghost.

A few years ago I was sat on the toilet when a strange atmosphere entered the room and the hairs on my arm stood up.

Without warning the toilet roll started unwinding of its own accord.

Now, I don't fear the unknown as a rule. I've experienced interesting things, but that would properly freak me out!

Good stuff.

Let's just say it aided me in my efforts

I've had a strange atmosphere enter the room before when i'm on the loo if that counts?

Did you have a sense of foreboding?

Yes! Then i broke out in a cold sweat. There seemed to be some noises that i honestly cant explain but i can only describe as "inhuman". Then the strange atmosphere. It was like the room was thick with something. Like an evil presence. Followed by a great sense of relief when i left the room. Like a pressure had been lifted.

I can only describe it as like a sharp blast of wind passed through me.

Edited by daemon on Tuesday 24th October 21:06

Hmmm interesting; ghoulies ?

[carrottop]

daemon said:

carrottop said:

daemon said:

carrottop said:

Front bottom said:

carrottop said:

I can offer forward a possible experience of a polterghost.

A few years ago I was sat on the toilet when a strange atmosphere entered the room and the hairs on my arm stood up.

Without warning the toilet roll started unwinding of its own accord.

Now, I don't fear the unknown as a rule. I've experienced interesting things, but that would properly freak me out!

Good stuff.

Let's just say it aided me in my efforts

I've had a strange atmosphere enter the room before when i'm on the loo if that counts?

Did you have a sense of foreboding?

Yes! Then i broke out in a cold sweat. There seemed to be some noises that i honestly cant explain but i can only describe as "inhuman". Then the strange atmosphere. It was like the room was thick with something. Like an evil presence. Followed by a great sense of relief when i left the room. Like a pressure had been lifted.

I can only describe it as like a sharp blast of wind passed through me.

Sounds like you stopped just short of an out of body experience

[MJ85]

jaisharma said:

Only read the first page but re the Ferrari connection I do remember going to a meeting some years ago and someone saying their or their friends house was haunted in a similar vein. Quite a while ago. The meeting was in Essex but I am not sure where the house was.

I’m from Essex originally... but only bought this house in December. Regarding the Ferrari connection, bought the previous owner’s book (previous owner of the house) about one of the cars he restored. Really quite cool. This is my driveway.

Edited by MJ85 on Tuesday 24th October 21:28

[Martin350]

MJ85 said:

This is my driveway.

I bet you wish that was on your driveway now!

[Zoon]

carrottop said:

I can offer forward a possible experience of a polterghost.

A few years ago I was sat on the toilet when a strange atmosphere entered the room and the hairs on my arm stood up.

Without warning the toilet roll started unwinding of its own accord.

Do you have a small Labrador?

[carrottop]

Zoon said:

carrottop said:

I can offer forward a possible experience of a polterghost.

A few years ago I was sat on the toilet when a strange atmosphere entered the room and the hairs on my arm stood up.

Without warning the toilet roll started unwinding of its own accord.

Do you have a small Labrador?

not even a ghost one

[Efbe]

For those doubting the presence of ghosts, there is scientific proof of it...

Ghosts(spirits) are, as we all know borne from our consciousness which explains why a ghost can manifest in the form it wishes. As consciousness has been proven to be able to be separated from the physical mechanisms of the brain (Penrose) clearly, the quantum matter is going somewhere.
As has been shown (Hawking) the universe is expanding, in terms of overall mass as well as size. This additional mass, initially unable to be measured by humans is "dark" matter(Zwikky?, Rubin, Ford). Clearly the mass/energy of the universe came from somewhere and will go back to somewhere, dark matter, from which our consciousness, formed of quantum matter will do also.

Therefore when we die, our consciousness returns to dark matter/energy.

How do you like that explanation science nerds :P

[SpeckledJim]

Efbe said:

For those doubting the presence of ghosts, there is scientific proof of it...

Ghosts(spirits) are, as we all know borne from our consciousness which explains why a ghost can manifest in the form it wishes. As consciousness has been proven to be able to be separated from the physical mechanisms of the brain (Penrose) clearly, the quantum matter is going somewhere.
As has been shown (Hawking) the universe is expanding, in terms of overall mass as well as size. This additional mass, initially unable to be measured by humans is "dark" matter(Zwikky?, Rubin, Ford). Clearly the mass/energy of the universe came from somewhere and will go back to somewhere, dark matter, from which our consciousness, formed of quantum matter will do also.

Therefore when we die, our consciousness returns to dark matter/energy.

How do you like that explanation science nerds :P

Sounds like a dusting of names to lend some credence to a large brain-fart.

[rxtx]

It sure starts out with a load of assumptions.

[Efbe]

SpeckledJim said:

Sounds like a dusting of names to lend some credence to a large brain-fart.

of course, I even had to reword it to get Hawking in there.

but it at least follows some logic, and is as testable as dark matter/energy, i.e. not very, and has not been disproven afaik

[SpeckledJim]

Efbe said:

SpeckledJim said:

Sounds like a dusting of names to lend some credence to a large brain-fart.

of course, I even had to reword it to get Hawking in there.

but it at least follows some logic, and is as testable as dark matter/energy, i.e. not very, and has not been disproven afaik

"There's no reason to believe in ghosts, because there's no evidence for ghosts"

That ^^^ follows some logic.

Anything on the 'pro-ghost' side of that statement involves at least a little, (and possibly a lot of) wishful bullst.

[Efbe]

meh, i'm going to get a damn nobel for this one

[deckster]

Efbe said:

For those doubting the presence of ghosts, there is scientific proof of it...

Ghosts(spirits) are, as we all know borne from our consciousness which explains why a ghost can manifest in the form it wishes. As consciousness has been proven to be able to be separated from the physical mechanisms of the brain (Penrose) clearly, the quantum matter is going somewhere.
As has been shown (Hawking) the universe is expanding, in terms of overall mass as well as size. This additional mass, initially unable to be measured by humans is "dark" matter(Zwikky?, Rubin, Ford). Clearly the mass/energy of the universe came from somewhere and will go back to somewhere, dark matter, from which our consciousness, formed of quantum matter will do also.

Therefore when we die, our consciousness returns to dark matter/energy.

How do you like that explanation science nerds :P

3/10, must try harder. You need to get harmonic vibrations, crystal energy, chakra points and preferably some form of homeopathy in there before it's even halfway convincing.

[PositronicRay]

rxtx said:

It sure starts out with a load of assumptions.

Isn't that how scientific research starts? A theory that you then set out to prove.

[SpeckledJim]

PositronicRay said:

rxtx said:

It sure starts out with a load of assumptions.

Isn't that how scientific research starts? A theory that you then set out to prove.

An assumption isn't a hypothesis.

And a Theory is what you have at the end, not the start. Assuming you don't fk it up.

[Sa Calobra]

I've entered this into the PH hotel

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Efbe]

SpeckledJim said:

PositronicRay said:

rxtx said:

It sure starts out with a load of assumptions.

Isn't that how scientific research starts? A theory that you then set out to prove.

An assumption isn't a hypothesis.

And a Theory is what you have at the end, not the start. Assuming you don't fk it up.

what theory doesn't start out with assumptions?

[anonymous-user]

He’s either right, or there’s something else we don’t understand yet.
When we do there will be the answer.

[SpeckledJim]

Efbe said:

SpeckledJim said:

PositronicRay said:

rxtx said:

It sure starts out with a load of assumptions.

Isn't that how scientific research starts? A theory that you then set out to prove.

An assumption isn't a hypothesis.

And a Theory is what you have at the end, not the start. Assuming you don't fk it up.

what theory doesn't start out with assumptions?

Any/all of them.

Do you mean predictions? And anyway, this is all meaningless.

Lets start our new 'theory' with a hypostesis along the lines of: "I predict there are ghosts, visible to the human eye, but only through an unknown physical beyond current scientific detection."

How would you prove that?

(proving is what you need to do. Bleating about unproven inverse ideas is stupid)

[Efbe]

SpeckledJim said:

Any/all of them.

Do you mean predictions? And anyway, this is all meaningless.

Lets start our new 'theory' with a hypostesis along the lines of: "I predict there are ghosts, visible to the human eye, but only through an unknown physical beyond current scientific detection."

How would you prove that?

(proving is what you need to do. Bleating about unproven inverse ideas is stupid)

was quoting rxtx in assumptions.

Tbf my theory isn't all that bad given it's trying to provide a reasoning behind how ghosts could work, you could go on to suppose ghosts are just in the mind, what makes them possible is the nature of consciousness. I CBA going further down this route, because if you haven't guessed I am not really being serious.

The point behind it was more that there is a crossover point between science and paranormal, maybe it's a massive chasm in between them, but certainly an area. If you approach this subject with an open mind of how can I prove it, rather than how can I rubbish it, you can go someway to finding possibilities of how certain aspects could work. Ok so not a whole full blown ghost ectoplasm attack, but the first (and possibly last) steps to seeing the consciousness as separate from the mechanical brain, using quantum processes, interacting in the way quantum particles do with everything. Completely misquoting Penrose, because I am too lazy to find the actual quote, maybe consciousness is not a product of the universe but the universe an integral part of the physics of the universe.

This for me is the question that needs answering first and foremost, how does consciousness work?, before any assertions are made on any subject that could emanate from possible perturbations in this theory... that sentence reads really poorly, apologies!